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It is frustrating when I saw a strong momentum and bought a position only to see that it candle return to the original price where it belongs. Is there anyway we can know it is p&d group working and not organic push?

This is very hard as altcoin markets are not only manipulated by pump and dump groups but also by whales and whale groups as well that together control the price. The only way you can see if a coin is taken over by a pump group s when you can see a coin without much news or latest events is randomly pumped with no specific reason except that it was chosen by a pump group on a particular day to be pumped.

You can't definitely be 100% sure if a coin is being pump and dumped, but to easily stay away from these, stay away from shitcoins. Is there a certain coin that you never heard of or has been pretty much unknown by the community that has jumped a lot in price? Then it's likely to be a pump and dump. The current top coins are a lot harder to pump and dump due to the prices being significantly harder to manipulate; though it isn't impossible, it's definitely a lot harder and it's going to need a lot more pump and dumpers and a lot more capital.

a very interesting question!
Well the way I would be generally thinking is if a coin has risen by over 20% in a short time-frame I would take it as being manipulated.
Before you get involved in a coin which is showing strong growth there are a few things you need to do.
1.) What is the reason for the sudden growth? so you have to do a bit of research, find a reason, if there is one.
2.) examine the facts, how quick has the growth been?
3.) what is the trading history? if the coin has not had any signs of such growth before and then it is suddenly growing without any reason, it looks fishy.
4.) if none of the above have any satisfactory answers, stay away or get in and dont leave the screen until you have sold at the right time, tricky and risky even for those in the pump and dump group except the ones at the top calling the actions but they wont be calling DUMP, just calling PUMP

1)Unknown & useless coin ( that's clear when no one talks about )
2) Sudden price jump ( without being preceded by significant news predicting that jump)
3) Poor historical volume trading which is easy to detect through statistics .
Mostly every sh** coin meets one (or more ) cited character

It’s not too difficult to detect a coin that’s being primed for a pump and dump. You’ll often see buying patterns like the ones in this graph. A coin generally rises in its price due to various factors but most of it being the current news and developers updates on the roadmap. One way to avoid this by checking the news or buy not investing in Shitcoins altogether. Since they are the ones usually pumped due to volume. If you want to learn in depth check buy and sell walls so you can find if there are no already built up large sell walls. One more thing is Never buy a coin just because the price is rising. This is when you become a victim due to the fear of missing out. Lastly use your common sense while trading. Don't trade thinking you will get rich instantly and putting your money in the dead coins.

that thaugh question to me, the market is young and volatile.. unless it is sheer project coin with no ground for growth - i consider it a manupulation - just pass it

There is a pump and dump group, maybe you can use it to find out what altcoins will pump and what altcoins will dump next. I'm personally less interested in that, I better invest than trading.

You can find the price bump and dump according the adaption and hacking move in the online. For example: if anyone invested on crypto currecy trading or blockchain start ups. You will find the concern coin grows in the marketplace.

Dump really make everyone buthurt especially peoplw invested recent days before will worry more. Reasons about the dumps are Hackers attacked and stealing the funds, price fluctuations panic takes the investors away to different coins and minera migrated to other coins.

So, how do we spot pump and dump stocks...

1-Promise of big profits:
Anytime you’re being promised of big profits from a stock you should reconsider. It’s a big red flag because no one really knows when their big profits will come.We can assume, but we cannot know really for sure of any stock’s outcome. I do believe you’ve known that by now if you’ve been trading penny stock already, it’s not hard to see that.

2- Pump and dump stocks are penny stocks
You will never find a stock in a pump and dump list which is not a penny stock. All the pump and dump stocks are penny stocks. This should be your number one rule. Penny stocks are the ones that are prone to those sort of manipulations. Although it’s illegal and considered to be a crime. It still happens as of today, in order not to fall prey to them you have to conduct your own research. Don’t rely on what you’re hearing, look for your own information. According to Penny Stock Expert, only a handful of stock traders stay true to themselves when it comes to researching before trading.
It’s almost impossible to be successful trading penny stocks if research are not being done

I have come to the conclusion that most of the times when the price goes up fast with a lot of volume it is a pump and dump. The problem is that you ignore if the dump will come after 5 minutes or after 5 months.

this all happened because it is very difficult to be able to identify when the time the pump will start crashing. I am sure that we can have luck in at the same time as the bitcoin pump ,, maybe that's what many traders expect

Knowing this kind of thing is really impossible which you cant able to indentify out if this coin is purely a pump and dump thing. Seeing on candle behavior would give you the assumptions but once you have been faked out on the price movement then youre fucked. Specially on first time pumps of a coin these are the times which would be crucial for you to move. Once you see pump then try as much as possible to sell out on peak because tendency on going back down is high.

Pump and dump groups are usually benefiting only to the manager of such groups. I am talking about the little coins which can bring you nice profit gain if you had flown into the pump accordingly( Because the refreshment of the current price is constantly renewing you cant actually know if the dump is already happening).

The organizer of the groups knows the right moment to trade because he is already dumping as you are pumping( In 80 percent only he and his team are on the trace for the profit).



On the wider aspect- pumps are usually contradicting each other blockchain. Bitcoin up - expect altcoins to fall, Altcoins pump- Bitcoin and coins on same principle down. If you wanna learn this technique here is an interesting article which is very educative

 https://www.ccn.com/pump-dump-know-signs-trading-altcoins

I hope this can help a littlehttp://www.cryptomorrow.com/2017/09/11/signs-of-pump-and-dump-in-altcoin-trading/

It is truly hard to predict what will happen next, only speculation we have in every pump and dump but sometimes the one who help us to know is the news. Reading news about countries who want to invest in bitcoin helps to predict the pumping and countries who want to banned the bitcoin result dumping. But sometimes we don't expect the dumping and pumping, there is countries investing without news and same with banning of bitcoin.

No one can if someone has that ability im sure he is filthy rich now. P&d groups can't possibly with only little of it even they have 500 members but the unity is not that good then it's pretty much useless. Predicting is crucial in trading that's what were here for to learn and make decisions that others can't.

I stay away from P & D grops, unless we are willing to pay for some telegram groups that signal altcoin in Bittrex exchange.
I did not dare to take risks, and I chose longterm trading

Similar to that or it is. But usually a big pump happens in a Pump and Dump scenario. A long green candle shows up, a small trade and suddenly goes back to where it came from.This scenario is popular before when exchanges has trollbox. Poloniex remove it. 

It usually range from minutes to hours or even days and then  no activity or little activity. Beware of this, very risky.

I think, we can not know the pump & dump group in doing the price push. except as post no. 2 of us joined in the group, be careful for now because there will be a surprise from the members of pump & dump this year ,, just look at the beginning of this year the price is very chaotic

It is very hard to detect those sudden increase, better to invest your money in stable altcoins if you want to experience pump and dump. The difficult thing to handle here in crypto is there's no regulating body to control those organic push.

If there is too much decrease in price or value of a coins that's what you called dump and if otherwise, like too much increase that is pump.

There are alot of pump dump group in telegram and usually they will pump and dump some coin that has low volume. For the better stay away from this group because this is more risk than we trade by own analysis. To get consistent profit in trading learn trading strategy and risk management by self is much better so we will know what the mistake and we can learn more from that mistake and make new strategy. Experience is best teacher.