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Thiss thread was for sales, now it was renamed and will be used in the reputation section as proof against person who is abusing his green trust, lying and tried to scam me with "self escrow" service.

someone? :)

Please give the last price for S9 and L3+

Not sure "All Taxes Are Paid" are going to be a upside for we whom live in the west, we have our own VAT/GST. Grubby paw government.

Maybe if the price is right i'd buy them but i'm in Canada, so the deal may make more sense for a member of the EU. Anyways if you end up being desperate to sell, i may be interested to buy, if self escrowing is an option, the shipping is probably not too bad when you consider the hardware to be worth so much dollars.

Not looking those miners to take dust so giving prices for serious buyers still next week:
S9-14TH psu included -> 2700$ (Price negotiable for 3+ miners)
L3+ psu included -> 2500$ (Price negotiable for 3+ miers)
A3 - psu included -> 2950$ (Price negotiable for 3+ miners)

*Best way to contact me is over skype which is on first post.

Prices negotiable for real buyers due to the high volume of  time wasters contacting me

I chatted with OP on Skype, he's not accepting offers currently, even if you're willing to pay his asking price. If you're looking to close, don't waste your time.

He acted overall pretty irate and and does not wish to discuss anything serious at this point.

I'm also surprised he does not seem interested in sending his hardware to a Datacenter, which would allow him to start mining within days. I would also be okay with putting funds in IRL escrow and or to host the hardware for OP myself, but again, OP is not willing to discuss much at this moment in time.

@OP One way, would be to use GND DC here in Labrador. Once you're setup there you could negotiate with anyone, such as me, without stress of having idle ASICs.

I may be able to talk to the staff/CFO/CEO i've met when i went there for a client, to contract a change ownership of the ASICs through them. If for some reason you're not interested in Mining on your ASICs yourself. I would not mind flying there for the ASICs you have, but i'm not really up for Flying to the EU for a few dozens ASICs right now.

I have a feeling we won't reach any agreement, for whatever reason. Good luck anyways.

Really? Seems like you are retard but a scamming one :D
Offered me to "self-escrow" saying how not willing to use escrows especially OgNaStY becayse he is scammer.
The same guy pretend to be the most trusted person on the forum and that's why he should self escrow his trade :D
All his words were rejected and ignored for the reasons above :D
Lets have great laugh on this.
Proof I'm talking with the same guy ->
Me asking for confirmation is that him over skype I were talking with -> http://prntscr.com/i8q5mi
He confirming that's him over skype  -> http://prntscr.com/i8q5ug
Now take a closer look at our conversation and take decision :D
Chat:
http://prntscr.com/i8q6as
http://prntscr.com/i8q6g4
http://prntscr.com/i8q6l1
http://prntscr.com/i8q6qk
http://prntscr.com/i8q6uc
http://prntscr.com/i8q6y8
http://prntscr.com/i8q72u
http://prntscr.com/i8q78f
http://prntscr.com/i8q7d0
http://prntscr.com/i8q7hb
http://prntscr.com/i8q7ku

*Next time when you trash talk against escrows, people with high trust, and lying on people threads, double think because things being said are recorded.
** From the actual chat over skype, everyone can see I said 4times that I'm currently taking offers till next week to see the best offer I can get :D
Soon as I said to the guy I want to use escrow, he start trash talk about all escrows like monbux, ognasty and all claming they are scammers and he's the most trusted here with 2 pages of rep and should do self escrow :D
After I realize this is scam artist with green trust, I refused to deal with him even if he pay me double  and look whats next (the post on his thread) :D
Thanks god I keep the chat logs to prove this scam artist is lying and also rushing me in thru self escrowed trade claiming all official escrowes are scammers.
If you have brain, take a look and take action against that kind of people with "green trust".
Someone will fall on his scam attempts and this will end badly for someone.

Im getting my pop corns :D
Another "trusted" member with green trust trying to claim he's the N1 here abusing his trust power to force newbie doing "self-escrow" trade :D:D:D:D
I can't stop laugh.
Thanks god the kid is not born yesterday to fall on that scam :D:D:D
Lets see will the mods/DT1 members will take action against this scam attempt and all the words that all escrows are scammers :D:D:D
Its not like that's something new but, that obvious scam attempt from "green trust" guy is so hilarious.

Did you just state that OgNasty scammed someone? I'm assuming this is a made up lie that you're spreading behind his back. I'll notify him.

"Self-escrow", also known as a scam attempt. ::)

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This guy is a literal joke, thinking that 5 digits is a lot of money given the amounts that some of the forum escrows have held/are holding. ::)

Self Escrow?  ;D :o ;D

Yes, please enlighten me who I scammed VirosaGITS. I’d like to hear your response before leaving you appropriate feedback.

Can you  deliver to Europe please

Fine, i guess this will take some explaining. It look like we've got a witch hunt.

@all
Today, i added OP on skype in the spirit of helping him out with his hardware problem, i see a lot of people coming by ethOS channels, for which i've been dev/testing since nearly the start. I believe i've helped many people situate their hardware, or how to build their system. This is also my launching base for my bios modding practice. I list this at the bottom; http://virosa.ethosdistro.com

However OP was rude, even if i was willing to pay his asking price, regardless of whether one of my offers were good for him or not. He was treating me like the people were mistreating him previously, as he elegantly brought up during the chat. I had just gotten up, didn't get my coffee yet and he was pissing me off.

@OgNasty
In the future would appreciate if i could be left out from forum flame wars and FUD, however i do respect you for what you have done for me in the past and i have to modestly acknowledge that i am not actually able to say if your recent negative trust you have received are veracious or truly relevant to my potential dealings.

While I will not be spreading this FUD on the forum, i wish to reserve the right to distrust whomever i see fit in private, if you look at the chat log you will see i wished not to trust any forum escrow, not just you, OgNasty.

For my so called "self escrow" The offer to pay OP after i've verified that the 4 A3 is in good order, is mine to make and OP's to refuse. Not for anyone else to judge. I've done this in the past, also recently for small deals and it has worked out well for everyone. If none of you trust me, that's fine.

But we're not only talking about that smaller deal, are we? In my attempt at laying out a plan with OP; we're not only talking about a 5 digits.

As such my initial intent was in helping OP with his hardware problem, with a value that would total 137K~, i believe it was reasonable to wish to use a IRL escrow service to act as an intermediary and deal directly with FIAT, to cover both side. Either a recognized notarized service, or a Datacenter as intermediary.

From reading the backlog on Skype, i acknowledge my statement concerning you, OgNasty specifically was abrupt, lacking finesse and i should have specified what my distrust is about. Ziku's attitude irritating me and not really letting me lay down any plans, so the conversation got cut short with a mutually rude attitude.


What scam attempt? The whole discussion was done without even verifying each other's identify, nor did i even verify if he had the goods.


You really enjoy starting forum FUD and flame war, don't you?

You dragged me into this situation.  Not the other way around.  Any negative trust I have received are from scammers who are mad that I've thwarted one scam attempt of theirs after another with my escrow services.  I expect a public apology, and not a lecture from you.

It is very much ours to judge.

In other words: You did lie and have no proof of him scamming anyone whatsoever. Your trust rating should at least be nullified.

I despite scammers and attempted scammers. It has nothing to do with FUD nor flame wars.

Welp you're welcome to judge, then.

The allegations against OgNasty are on his trust profiles, the campaign against him left plenty of reference there you are welcome to browse and decide for yourself. I was not here while it happened, but i saw them when i came back. This is why i brought up OgNasty specifically, albeit maybe unfairly, but most escrow all have their little FUD story.

*This* right now, is called FUD, flame war. It's sad and immature. If you think offering someone to go without escrow is proof of attempt scamming, well, i think you're unreasonable and just like feeding off forum drama like a common troll.

But it is not right to smear OgNasty's name, i apologize to him for not looking into the false allegations before judging.

And where is your apologize for your obvious lies that I don't take offers currently.
Where is your apologize for the well known "self escrow" scam ?
Is that's why you have green trust on this website?
Or only the people who can bring your "green" trust rating deserve apologize for your obvious false scam attempt and your lies on my sales thread

Thank you.  Apology accepted.

Great for all of your apologize and accepted apologizes but still the fact that the guy trying to make me avoid high trusted escrow offering me scam "self escrow" service, and lying I don't take offers and many other claims is still here.
Or people can be judged only because someone name was involved not for their true intentions which is obvious ?

P.S: I'm going to open new topic about my sales, because this one was ruined with bullshits.
And I hope some people won't leave the things like that, even after apologize.
Because scam should be catch before it, not judged after its done.
Thanks god I'm not born yesterday to agree on self escrow bullshits and catch the liar before he scammed me, not crying after it.
Its shame after all the evidences this guy is still around with his "green" trust.

Y I K E S  :o

Geez, how dare i offer to make a trade without escrow.

Scam accusation is this way;
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

You offered (self escrow) dude not "not escrow" wake up.
Also called the list of the escrow members like Sebastian,monbux old dated and scammers.
This is not scam accusation, this is already reported to be moved to reputation section for discussion and finally your green status to be removed.
People with that kind of intentions should be without green trust.

Self Escrow mean no escrow, you go first. Not sure why you're confused about this. Didn't i then offer to use IRL escrow? What kind of intentions you think i've had.

You derailed your own thread to start a flame war. Well done. I saw you made a new one, self moderated, smart. Let's go over this;

-You refuse to sell at YOUR, price, for now. You want to wait more offer. Why? You want to see if any newbies will pay you upfront?
-You refuse to go to a datacenter to get your hash asap
-You refuse to go with an IRL Escrow, what, 137 000$ isint high enough to warrant something notarized? I'm sorry for being so unreasonable!
-You start some sort of witch hunt
-You make a new thread, self moderated

You're acting like many scammers i've met. Step by step.

You want people to red trust me, because why exactly? I didn't trust you, nor did not wish to use any forum escrow? Why did you not go for IRL escrow then?

Maybe you're the one that should get red trust, not that it would matter, you'll just make another new account, you're obviously not new, who's alt are you?

So let's have the forum decide, i mean, that's why you're doing this right? For the shit show?

You're all welcome to ask people i've *actually* traded with, ask them how it went. You're all welcome to go to #ethosdistro @freenode and ask what the Hundreds of customers think of Virosa and his private dealings without escrow, at his advantage.

Or not. Let's wait and see what mods/the mob will do/decide.

-I told you already 4times that I'm collecting offers you coming here lying on thread how I don't take offers
-I clearly says escrow on my thread, you coming on my skype saying how Ognasty is scammer, and the thread of the official escrow is old dated and they cannot be trusted with 5digits.
-You were rude, fishy and everything after the first sign were refused from my side as I said.
- After your fishy obvious scamming attitude, even if you offered me double than my price it was going to be rejected and just used against you so claiming your bullshits about not selling at MY price is more than laughable.
-You start the with hunt, go thanks god Ognasty is more MAN than you for accepting your excuse for ruing his reputation and calling him with bad name, because your trust which you using to force newbies going first was going to be red.
- Ofc I will make new thread self moderated to prevent liars and abusers like you to trash talk and lie on it (posted proofs for my words)

I act like many scammers you met? Actually you are the scammer and I prove it.
Its just this time you are failed at scamming, gods know how many newbies you catch which cannot report or show to the community they were fucked.
Yes I want people to red trust you based on your attitude, your acts and the way you treat and rush newbies in thru going to risk deals trusting random like you over this forum. You are no one claiming to have 2 pages of rep, saying how trusted you are and how escrows cannot be trusted with that amounts but you can.
I'm doing the "show" for "shit" ? Actually I'm doing it for my security and all the newbies security around.
The screenshots are there, people are not dumb.
People like you have no place in the crypto community but in the gipsy markets playing dices and cheating tourists.
No one, but no one LEGIT person will call proven trusted verified escrow a scammer.
No one, but no one will REFUSE usage of secure trade for both party, not seeking the security only for his self, with risk of scam.
You are bad trader, you are bad scammer, you were caught, you should be lower than the grass.
Like you said: "Lets have the forum decide".

*We earn reputation slowly with our decisions/acts and can lose it for seconds when our intentions going obvious bad.

Kaaayyy, you're nuts. The defense rest.

Just going to throw this out there, since I was surprised to see the title. I didn't read the entire flame war, but I have done a deal with VirosaGITS recently, so I feel I should speak up.

He was trustworthy, helpful, and the deal went through without a hitch.

I sold him a miner, and given his trust profile and the price that I was selling at, I took him up on his "self-escrow" offer. I know that's not *actually* escrow, but I figured that I didn't have that much to lose. He had reputation to lose. He also was very easy to talk to, and we spoke quite a bit before he actually got the miner. I felt completely at ease, and the transaction was smooth and painless.

This forum is rife with scammers. VIrosaGITS is not one of them.

Irrelevant. Anyone offering self-escrow[1] should have their trust rating nullified at least. In case that the two DT members do not remove theirs, I'll have to apply a negative.

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[1] This forum has suffered enough from *benevolent* Quickseller-like self-escrow offers.

Let me see if i can get this right;

If i ask someone to first send me hardware, where i will first verify said hardware to be in good condition, and only then will pay them; It warrant people removing their reported activity of me not having scammed them? Or me getting red trust?

You're basically saying : "Hey guys, this Virosa guy has performed repeated trade where the mutual agreed upon deal, is where all risks be upon the second party's shoulder, the results of these trades is Virosa respected the agreement, however let's still all remove our trust/neg him, just cuz."

Even though after OP's refusal i asked to use Escrow, and go at his asking price? How could that possibly equate me being untrustworthy.

The whole trust system is about building a profile of people's activity, how they operate and what the result of the interaction was. It's not a power stick for you to enforce whatever rule you see fit. It's a tool for people to read, to decide if they wish to proceed with suggested agreement or to pass.

I've operated like so over a dozen time without a hitch, some say yes, so say no. When they say yes, it allow me to pay them whatever we agreed to at the actual FIAT Value, with no risk of ending up with 25% less, as such today is an example, where BTC is down 25% in the last week.

What matters is 2 party coming to an agreement, whomever may or may not be taking the risk, and both party respecting said agreement. That's a genuine transaction.

So you not only want me, to act the way you want, but you also want to bring in Blazed and Co into this. You're literally acting as the epitome of drama queen. Nobody was scammed here, nobody would of gotten scammed and nobody will be, by me at least.

Sidehack trust you and likes you, but i don't see what he sees. So sure, go and ask Blazed, stir more shit up, i do not wish to be presumptuous, however i believe he knows who i am, what i do, what i contribute to Crypto outside this forum, with bigger stake than this, maybe you'll take his word over mine, maybe you won't and you will stick to your guns and leave me a red trust even though i've never scammed, or will never scam, for as i wish to honor and respect people i look up to and associate with, people like Wolf0, OhGodAGirl, eliovp, kotarius, sling and companies or projects like ethOS.

This is you (and op) having a personal problem with me, nothing more nor less.
I could be offering people to escrow for them, and it's up to them to decide if they wish to be the first to take the risk. Nobody started with trust, it was built. Whether its OgNasty or SebastianJu or phil, it was unknown if they could be trusted, until someone took a risk and slowly they have built their rep.


Thanks i appreciate the word.

" Whether its OgNasty or SebastianJu or phil, it was unknown if they could be trusted, until someone took a risk and slowly they have built their rep.
"
- None of those members proclaimed them self as the most trusted around and claim they don't need escrow because of that.
- None of those members rush any newbie in thru dangerous deal without protection
- None of those members acts against the rules or suspicious/sketchy
- All those members build their reputation step by step without beating his chest "who I'm"
- All those people who mention was and always providing secure way of trading for both sides not only for them self.

No one have war against you than yourself.
You made mistake, a big one.
Why? Because you think all newbies are retards and you can do whatever you want without being punished.
That's great a newbie comes to defend you but one bird does not bring spring....
As everyone you should take the consequences from your acts like a man.
Learn your lesson, offer secure and safe way of trading for both party's next time.
You are not above anyone here, you are just like everyone else here remember it.

You ask to self-escrow, end of story.

We had a very brief encounter, in which you asked no justifications or explanation.

I did say some blunt things based on negative trust OgNasty received unjustfully.

But the fact remain it's there.

He is a victim of people like you and Lauda, that abuse the trust system to penalize legitimate forum members.

Pardon me for doubting the system you so religiously believe in. I had a talk with him and i believe him. But it is not for you to decide if i have to trust or use a forum escrow or not.
The Truth about me is simple; I wouldn't trust anyone on a forum/online to hold 137 000$ for me. Pardon me for my distrust?

I did ask to use Escrow, just not forum Escrow.

And if i can pay a seller after i've confirmed the goods are legitimate, welp, why not. Yes i believe i can be trusted with 10 000$. I believe someone could send me a millions dollar by accident and i would send it back.

Even though the Escrow while quite assuredly legit, the forum could get hacked, his wallet could get breached, the value of the coin could drop by 90% or raise by 1000%, no matter how small, there is a risk, why take it if you don't have to. If you don't like my offer, you just say no. I didn't harass or coerce you.

That's it. You have no other basis for my alleged illegitimacy.

You did not like me reporting you were wasting people's time and acting fishy by refusing to close even when your asking price was met. You act like your OP said "Not actually willing to sell for now, just taking offer." But it did not.
You were bored or insane and decided to fabricate me some sort of villain persona.

You're pissed i didn't want to play your dance and you decided to publish our private conversation, You decided to throw a hissy fit and here we are.

You come up with other fabrications like "All the newbies i've scammed and that were unable to speak up" You're a newbie(at least on this account) and you seem able to speak up just fine. How come nobody turns up saying i scammed them?

Because i've never scammed anyone, and never will.

I care about my identiy, just like OgNasty do. He has to waste time swatting accusations by people like you. Just like i have to now.
I now understand why he participate in so much forum drama based on a campaign against him.

Irrational people like you can still spread nonsense and fear.

Bring this up and remember this scammer name !
Do not ever deal with this scammer at any costs.
Soon he will be tagged.

I done business with VirosaGITS in the past and he was honest and professional.
Please stop the -no need drama- 

Who give a fuck about the past consider the proofs are on the thread for the NOW.
Ah you greedy Virosa scammer :) you got hungry or someone cleaned you?

Thank you QcTechno.

I guess ziku is your alt, Danos, its the second time you promptly post here without having any involvement, ignoring all proof and just repeating OP's claim. Oh look, another account tied to You/ziku with reports of you being a scammer. What a surprise.

I think i may have to consider forwarding all reviews left on ziku's page to you also... it make sense that you would try your machinations on a newbie account to protect your sig spam eligible account.

I'm done arguing, but if me asking to use a notarized irl escrow, which would cost a lot less than 1370$USD, rather than forum escrow, make me a proven scammer, you're welcome to leave me a neg trust.

I just read your latest PM from ziku that just came in and yeah, at think at this point, even if i'm wrong, you supporting that kind of person is evidence enough to relate you two.

Im involved in catching scammer.
You are scammer.
Enough to say.
Go buy another account, this is gone.
P.S: I support everyone who expose scammers on this forums.
ziku is hero, you are scammer.
Period.

You're involved how? By making new accounts and making these kind of messages?

https://i.imgur.com/8euKlml.png