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Title: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 10, 2013, 11:34:15 PM http://
smeagol is proudly announcing: Sauron's Rings! (SauronRings, SAU) https://github.com/sauronrings/SauronsRings/blob/master/src/qt/res/icons/bitcoin.png?raw=true Windows qt: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B49exKIsGBn5c0t5ZGQ4X011MlU/edit Port forward 1892 and post your node! The Proof-of-Work, scarce, Scrypt coin for YOU to show your support for Sauron and Gollum! (I'm smeagol, the nice one :D). If you download, please post your node so others can keep in sync! Thanks! :) Specifications (Saruman is in charge of this :)) Block time: 1.5 minutes (90 seconds) Block reward: 0.001 Rings Coin cap: None! Honor Sauron forever! Difficulty algorithm: Every two blocks based on last four blocks! AGRESSIVE DIFF RETARGETING! don't put all of your rig power to it yet, please! RPC port: 2222 (the second age!) P2P port: 1892 (Tolkien's birth) Testnet: 1973 (Death of Tolkien) Addresses: They start with B, because B is for Bilbo Baggins, the second hobbit to own the one ring ;) thanks eli0t! Downloads: Windows qt: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B49exKIsGBn5c0t5ZGQ4X011MlU/edit Source: https://github.com/sauronrings/SauronRings If you download, please post your node so others can keep in sync! Thanks! :) sauronrings.conf port=1892 rpcport=2222 addnode=79.196.195.23 addnode=192.241.171.45 Pools? Not yet. Block Explorer? Nothing yet. Rewards and Bounties? 0.05 : Pool 0.1 : Exchange 0.01 : Block Explorer 0.01 : Faucet Premine? 0.05% :o :o Anything else? Here's a picture of Barad-dûr! Also, send some coins and stuff. The transaction icons are a surprise! Have fun! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/98/Barad_d%C3%BBr_%28LoTR_film%29.jpg/200px-Barad_d%C3%BBr_%28LoTR_film%29.jpg Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 10, 2013, 11:35:09 PM reserve!
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: r3wt on September 10, 2013, 11:37:41 PM reserved for future lulz ;D
perhaps you need an installer built for this puppy? Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Giskard on September 10, 2013, 11:43:57 PM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 10, 2013, 11:55:56 PM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Giskard on September 11, 2013, 12:02:06 AM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... The MAX_MONEY constant in main.h doesn't limit coin production. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:02:25 AM reserved for future lulz ;D perhaps you need an installer built for this puppy? I'd happily accept an installer for this puppy ;) once it gets established enough. For now a qt is fine. How are your coins doing? (OpenSouceCoin is your newest, I believe) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:05:55 AM cannot seem to connect to any nodes j Hey, duuuuuude! Do the nodes above not work (set them in your SauronRings.conf)? If so, I may open up a bounty for some more. Thanks for your feedback! :) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: spoid on September 11, 2013, 12:06:07 AM Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: claycoins on September 11, 2013, 12:18:04 AM Is this the same as the first release or did you restart blockchain?
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:19:32 AM Is this the same as the first release or did you restart blockchain? updated client, but same release. i realized the premine was so small compared to everything else, rather than as big as everyone on the thread promoted it. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:19:50 AM those are the exact nodes i put in my conf file, still cannot connect. J I'll put up nodes soon! patience please. :) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:21:21 AM lol :D :D Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: r3wt on September 11, 2013, 12:25:32 AM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... The MAX_MONEY constant in main.h doesn't limit coin production. correct that it is used to limit wallets from containing more than a set amount, but i thought the general consensus this was also a hardcap of total supply. if what you say is true, then how do you limit it? Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:26:23 AM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... The MAX_MONEY constant in main.h doesn't limit coin production. then how do you limit it? r3wt: Code: if(nHeight == $block you want to end at) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:30:32 AM Yay! node!
try this: addnode=5.63.146.148 Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Giskard on September 11, 2013, 12:31:40 AM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... The MAX_MONEY constant in main.h doesn't limit coin production. then how do you limit it? r3wt: Code: if(nHeight == $block you want to end at) Like smeagol said, you have to change GetBlockValue to return 0 (+ Fees) at some stage, either by halving reward, or just abruptly making it 0, or whatever method you choose. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: chowder on September 11, 2013, 12:36:29 AM Yay! node! try this: addnode=5.63.146.148 Still 0 connections :-\ Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 12:40:46 AM Yay! node! try this: addnode=5.63.146.148 Still 0 connections :-\ I haven't had to do this in a long time. Is there a port or something that I need to unlock? It's the first time I'm using a VPN by the way. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 12:54:40 AM Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... I haven't had to do this in a long time. Is there a port or something that I need to unlock? It's the first time I'm using a VPN by the way. Seems like a well thought out and thoroughly tested new coin launch. :-\ (Another coin that left a compiled geocoind in the source zip...) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 01:00:12 AM Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... I haven't had to do this in a long time. Is there a port or something that I need to unlock? It's the first time I'm using a VPN by the way. Seems like a well thought out and thoroughly tested new coin launch. :-\ (Another coin that left a compiled geocoind in the source zip...) I wanted to honor "adam m!" An inspiration to us all. btw, addnode=79.196.195.23 Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 01:02:28 AM Yay! node! try this: addnode=5.63.146.148 Still 0 connections :-\ addnode=79.196.195.23 Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: r3wt on September 11, 2013, 01:08:52 AM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... The MAX_MONEY constant in main.h doesn't limit coin production. then how do you limit it? r3wt: Code: if(nHeight == $block you want to end at) Like smeagol said, you have to change GetBlockValue to return 0 (+ Fees) at some stage, either by halving reward, or just abruptly making it 0, or whatever method you choose. negative. Code: if(nHeight == $blocknumber) {nSubsidy = 0 * COIN;}Code: else {nSubsidy = 1 * COIN;}Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 01:11:16 AM r3wt, then this might work
Code: if(nHeight > $block you want to end at) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Giskard on September 11, 2013, 01:11:53 AM Code: int64 static GetBlockValue(int nHeight, int64 nFees) Except for the pre-mine, coin production will be constant and infinite. Not capped as stated in the specs. Wow! If there are no coin caps then the premine is 0%... :D Thanks for the info! I remember putting in 20,000 in main.h though... The MAX_MONEY constant in main.h doesn't limit coin production. then how do you limit it? r3wt: Code: if(nHeight == $block you want to end at) Like smeagol said, you have to change GetBlockValue to return 0 (+ Fees) at some stage, either by halving reward, or just abruptly making it 0, or whatever method you choose. negative. Code: if(nHeight == $blocknumber) {nSubsidy = 0 * COIN;}Code: else {nSubsidy = 1 * COIN;}Yes, that should be if (nHeight > block#) Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: r3wt on September 11, 2013, 01:19:34 AM oh ok, that makes perfect sense. i'm at a loss of how i would implement it in a coin with a minimum subsidy unless
Code: static const int64 nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Giskard on September 11, 2013, 01:21:35 AM oh ok, that makes perfect sense. i'm at a loss of how i would implement it in a coin with a minimum subsidy unless Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 This should be sufficient: Code: static const int nMinReward= 1 Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: r3wt on September 11, 2013, 01:22:58 AM oh ok, that makes perfect sense. i'm at a loss of how i would implement it in a coin with a minimum subsidy unless Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 This should be sufficient: Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 no because if you don't acknowledge the last reward block then nMinReward will prevent it from dropping the subsidy to zero. thats why i included nLastRewardBlock in the scope Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 01:24:06 AM Has anyone managed to connect to any peers yet? I'm running the client and watching the debug log, it claims it's trying to connect, yet I can't see ANY outbound activity on the network interface.
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Giskard on September 11, 2013, 01:26:11 AM oh ok, that makes perfect sense. i'm at a loss of how i would implement it in a coin with a minimum subsidy unless Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 This should be sufficient: Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 no because if you don't acknowledge the last reward block then nMinReward will prevent it from dropping the subsidy to zero. thats why i included nLastRewardBlock in the scope Not sure if you're trying to drop it to 0 or drop it to nMinReward. The above solution will halve until it gets to nMinReward and never get to zero. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: r3wt on September 11, 2013, 01:32:01 AM oh ok, that makes perfect sense. i'm at a loss of how i would implement it in a coin with a minimum subsidy unless Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 This should be sufficient: Code: static const int nLastRewardBlock= 5000000 no because if you don't acknowledge the last reward block then nMinReward will prevent it from dropping the subsidy to zero. thats why i included nLastRewardBlock in the scope Not sure if you're trying to drop it to 0 or drop it to nMinReward. The above solution will halve until it gets to nMinReward and never get to zero. I'm attempting to kill two birds with one stone. half the reward until it gets to 1, then when block 5million(the last reward block) subsidy returns to zero(thus creating the hardcap) with only tx fee's being the subsidy. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 02:37:58 AM Still no joy. The only activity with 79.196.195.23 (mentioned in the OP) is on port 13808... which is elephantcoin.
There is no sauronrings activity; even after more than an hour I cannot see any evidence of the client even attempting to connect to any of the addnode peers, or any other IP on port 1892. Has ANYONE managed to peer yet? Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 10:39:57 AM Still no joy. The only activity with 79.196.195.23 (mentioned in the OP) is on port 13808... which is elephantcoin. There is no sauronrings activity; even after more than an hour I cannot see any evidence of the client even attempting to connect to any of the addnode peers, or any other IP on port 1892. Has ANYONE managed to peer yet? I had two connections yesterday, my guess is that they are off at the moment. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: paymetodostuff on September 11, 2013, 10:58:17 AM So with a .001 block reward, your premine of 10 coins is equivalent to 10,000 blocks, or 10.41 days of uninterrupted mining @ 940 blocks per day?
Yet your bounties for services are just a very small fraction of your premine? 0.05 : Pool 0.1 : Exchange 0.01 : Block Explorer 0.01 : Faucet Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: GoldBit89 on September 11, 2013, 11:37:17 AM This is rare why? With no cap, could go on forever.
also any amount of premine is still above 0, no matter if a cap or not, so how can you say 0? i really like the idea of this coin, but those 2 questions raise some doubt for me. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 12:09:20 PM Still no joy. The only activity with 79.196.195.23 (mentioned in the OP) is on port 13808... which is elephantcoin. There is no sauronrings activity; even after more than an hour I cannot see any evidence of the client even attempting to connect to any of the addnode peers, or any other IP on port 1892. Has ANYONE managed to peer yet? I had two connections yesterday, my guess is that they are off at the moment. ? You're not running a client 24/7/365 to kick start the network? 10 hours later and I still haven't connected to anything. Client has been running the whole time. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: zeta1 on September 11, 2013, 01:03:11 PM Lol@ this coin:P
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: hanzac on September 11, 2013, 01:16:23 PM The "precious"? Won't it control people to pay 1000 BTC for 1 Ring? ;D
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: tengshanzen on September 11, 2013, 01:17:29 PM see
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: Auscoin on September 11, 2013, 02:32:00 PM Code: {Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: iampingu on September 11, 2013, 02:55:29 PM You missed out the #BasedSAU in the title.
Man I'm onto a winner here, #basedcoin. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: tengshanzen on September 11, 2013, 03:37:14 PM the logo looks so bad.
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: ronimacarroni on September 11, 2013, 03:43:48 PM This is rare why? With no cap, could go on forever. I think he said there'd be 20,000 rings at first.also any amount of premine is still above 0, no matter if a cap or not, so how can you say 0? i really like the idea of this coin, but those 2 questions raise some doubt for me. You should make it 20,000 cap limit again smeagol. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 08:18:12 PM Still no connect. It's coming up to 24 hours that my client has been running.
Straight up: is this coin a joke? Is this a real launch? Am I wasting my time and server resources running this client? Please tell me. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: sserge009 on September 11, 2013, 08:27:01 PM it seems strange. as for me everything works fine, except the existance of only one active connection
Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 09:46:16 PM it seems strange. as for me everything works fine, except the existance of only one active connection My connections are fine. addnode=117.1.46.73 Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 10:08:18 PM I think there's a fundamental problem with this client. The debug log says it's connecting, but I am dumping the network interface and cannot see any port 1892 traffic.
I'm running around 20 other alt-clients and this is the only one I've had this problem with. I'm about to give up, I mean OP doesn't even have his own coin in his sig.... Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 10:15:52 PM I think there's a fundamental problem with this client. The debug log says it's connecting, but I am dumping the network interface and cannot see any port 1892 traffic. I'm running around 20 other alt-clients and this is the only one I've had this problem with. I'm about to give up, I mean OP doesn't even have his own coin in his sig.... I have connections and am up to date (block 2254)... Have you tried all of these? addnode=37.130.227.140 addnode=117.1.46.73 addnode=79.196.195.23 addnode=192.241.171.45 And what does having my own coin in my sig have to do with anything? Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: almightyruler on September 11, 2013, 10:24:03 PM I think there's a fundamental problem with this client. The debug log says it's connecting, but I am dumping the network interface and cannot see any port 1892 traffic. I'm running around 20 other alt-clients and this is the only one I've had this problem with. I'm about to give up, I mean OP doesn't even have his own coin in his sig.... I have connections and am up to date (block 2254)... Have you tried all of these? addnode=37.130.227.140 addnode=117.1.46.73 addnode=79.196.195.23 addnode=192.241.171.45 And what does having my own coin in my sig have to do with anything? As I said, there is no connection attempt to any nodes configured in sauronrings.conf. It's not that it tries to connect and fails, there is no connect attempt at all. No TCP SYN request for port 1892 is being generated by the client. I doubt that adding more nodes will help because it does not try to connect. It has connected to the IRC server, but has never made an attempt to connect to peers. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 11, 2013, 10:33:15 PM I think there's a fundamental problem with this client. The debug log says it's connecting, but I am dumping the network interface and cannot see any port 1892 traffic. I'm running around 20 other alt-clients and this is the only one I've had this problem with. I'm about to give up, I mean OP doesn't even have his own coin in his sig.... I have connections and am up to date (block 2254)... Have you tried all of these? addnode=37.130.227.140 addnode=117.1.46.73 addnode=79.196.195.23 addnode=192.241.171.45 And what does having my own coin in my sig have to do with anything? As I said, there is no connection attempt to any nodes configured in sauronrings.conf. It's not that it tries to connect and fails, there is no connect attempt at all. No TCP SYN request for port 1892 is being generated by the client. I doubt that adding more nodes will help because it does not try to connect. It has connected to the IRC server, but has never made an attempt to connect to peers. [ { "addr" : "117.1.46.73:1892", "services" : "00000001", "lastsend" : 1378938728, "lastrecv" : 1378938735, "conntime" : 1378935484, "version" : 60001, "subver" : "/Sauron:0.7.0/", "inbound" : false, "releasetime" : 0, "startingheight" : 2238, "banscore" : 0 } ] I am connecting fine. What OS are you on? At worst you could try to recompile. Title: Re: [ANNOUNCING]Sauron Rings (SAU) | Show your support for Sauron! | PoW | Rare! Post by: smeagol on September 13, 2013, 01:14:26 AM I think there's a fundamental problem with this client. The debug log says it's connecting, but I am dumping the network interface and cannot see any port 1892 traffic. I'm running around 20 other alt-clients and this is the only one I've had this problem with. I'm about to give up, I mean OP doesn't even have his own coin in his sig.... I have connections and am up to date (block 2254)... Have you tried all of these? addnode=37.130.227.140 addnode=117.1.46.73 addnode=79.196.195.23 addnode=192.241.171.45 And what does having my own coin in my sig have to do with anything? As I said, there is no connection attempt to any nodes configured in sauronrings.conf. It's not that it tries to connect and fails, there is no connect attempt at all. No TCP SYN request for port 1892 is being generated by the client. I doubt that adding more nodes will help because it does not try to connect. It has connected to the IRC server, but has never made an attempt to connect to peers. New windows qt here: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B49exKIsGBn5c0t5ZGQ4X011MlU/edit |
