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I read comment by the admin that if the merit system fails to reduce spam from the website, he might take decisions like removing the signature campaigns. This is scary for me.  I am not eligible for any campaign yet but I was hopeful to get enrolled in one. If this is going to be implemented for sure, I might not be comfortable participating in discussions. I will though read posts by other members for information needed.

I can't imagine, that this will happen.
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Yes. They will be banned. Go away. We don't want posters like you anyway. It's clear you don't actually want to contribute anything especially if you can't earn and I doubt you'd get the required amount of merit to move up in ranks anyway so I wouldn't want you to waste your precious time.

Do you even read the query asked before replying ?

Well this was the prime purpose of this forum not signature Campaigns . Also merit was mainly introduced to stop spam in this forum. And merit can only motivate people to stop posting shit and not force them . Well theymos had even mentioned that he can easily introduce demerits as well which will basically stop people to post shit .
Also 99 percent of the people come here to enroll in Signature Campaigns just to earn some free coins. And even some managers don't worry about quality much as not all read posts here ! And they just want their company's /website's name to be visible .

Yeah. What part do you think I missed exactly? You basically just admitted the only reason you are posting here is for signature campaigns and if they're going to be banned then you have no little to no desire to contribute anything. I'd just stick to lurking if I was you.

So you admit that you're only here for those signature campaigns?
I bet that a friend of yours taught you how he can earn through this forum.Don't force yourself to contribute shits here,this forum is being a bit shady than it was before due to the people who only wants to earn through those campaigns.This forum isn't just about for earning cents but for communicating to others,sharing and gaining knowledge,different races,different countries all in here.BCT don't need people like you,don't waste your time here and just find a job.

So what if it will get removed? Is it a major loss to this forum? There are a lot of ways to market such coins aside from these campaigns. Just like what everybody stated in here, it seems like you were here just to join signature campaigns to earn judging by what you had stated ? Is that your sole purpose in here? Well you're on the wrong place, I'm afraid. Go get a job if you really wanted to pick some coins up. Saying that you're not comfortable in participating discussions just emphasizes your true intention at this forum.

Your account is less than a month old and you've only posted about a dozen times. You do not need to even think about signature campaigns, their potential removal or anything else regarding them. This should not be scary for you, because it does not affect you in anyway. You are not eligible for any campaign now and if I had to guess you most likely will never be eligible for any reputable campaign. Do not expect to get enrolled into a campaign. If you are not comfortable participating in discussions, because of the possibility that your potential future earnings are up for removal then you are not needed nor are you helpful in these discussions. Nobody wants you in a discussion that you must be paid to participate in. I am uncomfortable having a discussion with someone that needs to be paid to have that conversation.

theymos said if the merit system does not work, and they cannot think of anything sufficient to replace it (or improve it) then the only reasonable next step would be the removal of signature campaigns completely. We are forced into this state of affairs by users like yourself that have clearly only signed up for the forum in the first place thinking it would be income for your meaningless opinions or uninformed input.

Anything can happen but can you quote the link where theymos said this statement.  Do you even know what a Signature campaign or bounty is ?
The Bounties can never end because many ICO and Services are paying to get their products get more visibility.

Have you ever thought of Ads in a TV channel. If one TV channel stop taking ad, will the companies stop advertising ? NO.

They will move on to the 2nd best Bitcoin Forum and start their advertisements.

calm friend of this new merit system running
I think many members of this forum have not understood it yet ...
the mederator will surely wait for progress before stepping

I am just wondering how scam coins exist.
Developer of coins announcing coin here and giving hundreds and thousands of dollars in campaign and collecting millions dollars. Afterwards they leave the forum (and no where to found). For few dollars people are also promoting them.
I think forum can do KYC for Alt coin developers, I hope if KYC is done it will deter people from scamming. (Because they know they can be traced)

It is more important to protect the investors from scam. Closing of bounties and more regulation in Alt coin ANN will  benefit the forum ( less spam and scam) and people. (Not losing money to scammers).

Reason I am saying that because 99 percent coin in  coinmarketcap  (https://coinmarketcap.com) will redirect to bitcointalk.org for their announcement.

Are you kidding?  It would be huge.  That's why signature campaigns still exist, because they generate a lot of revenue for themos et al.  So even though the campaigns incentivize shitposting and have driven down the quality of discussion here, they haven't been banned.  Even though I've been participating in campaigns since late 2015, I would not be crushed if Theymos did ban them.  It's pretty obvious they're subsidizing lazy 3rd world scunts who care nothing about this forum and are more than willing to wreck it, so long as they get paid.  I would love to see such individuals have to go out and get a real job...but I seriously doubt it's going to happen. 

Also, I'm not sure where OP read anything about this, as I've not seen any recent posts where theymos or anyone else was seriously considering it.  But I'll admit I could have missed it.

Even though it is not serious talk,  i think the OP pertaining to this one .

It will just happen when theymos got no other option on how to eradicate shitpostere here in the forum

How do signature campaigns generate revenue for Theymos?

Do the campaigns have to pay the forum to operate here? Or does the forum get a commission for every ad clicked through? Or is it because the campaigns drive traffic to the forum, which allows Theymos et al to charge more for the in-between-post ads?

I can't think of any other possibilities, but I'm still not confident that they get paid directly from campaigns.

Education please.

It's that one. There would be a lot fewer people using the forum if they weren't getting paid to do so. Advertisers look at the site statistics before bidding for the advertising slots.

Last round resulted in 1.74 BTC revenue.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2857537.msg30166373#msg30166373
https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats

Here you can read it:

I'm sure no one will ban signature campaigns. The members of this forum have the dividends from signatures. The forum administration reserves dividends from the popularity of the forum. Who is able to voluntarily destroy what was created almost 10 years? My opinion is that managers of companies are more interested in the fight against spam.

In my opinion, without signature campaigns, the rank of this forum would decrease so it's unlikely signature campaigns will be banned on this forum.

Signature campaign will not be remove from the forum. You know why? There are lot of investors here in this organization or forum. Removing signature campaign will be also like removing some investments in bitcoin. Some of the members here like me are still waiting for the right to time to invest. So if you think that signature campaign will not be in help for possible investment then you are wrong. Think of it the bitcoin invesment from signature campaign increases the investment proceeds. And it will also help the investors to choose from the links given or posted as signature campaign.

What do you mean by rank? Like Alexa rank? Who even cares about that, yeah the traffic will surely decrease that's the main reason I believe why theymos hasn't removed signatures yet. More traffic = more ad revenue, but obviously he can't just sit and see the forum filled with meaningless garbage so I think this time he is seriously considering about this.

If this is carried out and signature campaign is stopped in this forum, it will have a devastating effect both on the devs and their ICOs as well as forum members here. Believe me here will become a graveyard of a sort overnight. Every dev knows he has to approach this forum to get his advert done and that is why most forms have compulsory columns for BTT forum name and rank.

Whether we admit posting for reward or not, all of us  will surely be affected. I would like for Theymos to embark on a one month trial of this and see what happens

There's no need to worry about signature campaigns being removed or not. Knowledge they say is power. With the right knowledge you can garner from the forum if you go through the forum well, can turn you into a pro trader or good investor and you will need not participate in bounties again as money won't be your major concern. First stick around the forum and learn one or two stuffs.

I do not think that'll ever  happen, FYI signature campaign guys don't get paid for posting crap! They're under stricter rules and their posts are always under scrutiny. The campaign managers I have been under are very strict and another fun fact for you, look at Chip Maker campaigners merit collection, and the stats posted by Dark Star. Signature Campaigns have always kept this forum clean, and those who fail to do so are removed.

There are quite a few factors involved in valuing advertising. Impressions are not really all that useful, what you need to know are the clickthrough rates, and the visits that result in sales. Second and third page hits and revisits are probably the most useful of the metrics, but only the advertisers know those stats. Most of the members posting here seem to be short of money, and are unlikely to be of value to advertisers. The bulk of the posts are of very low quality, and therefore are unlikely to stimulate buying actions in visitors to the site.

Improving the quality of the threads, and the addition of good commercial discussions should attract higher value views, and this could lead to an increase in potential revenue.

In my opinion, it is very much complicated. I am not encouraging people making shit posts but you can find these campaigns getting some traffic and clicks through keywords made on some of those shit posts as well. Obviously, the campaigns are benefiting from the process as we have some that have continued for years.

Improving the quality of forum is required for getting direct advertisement deals. If a advertiser stats evaluating the quality of posts being made here, he might not be comfortable paying for direct advertisements here.

One thing you can see from the impression count is that the total is 4 to 5 times that of from logged in users. That to me would indicate that search results direct a lot of traffic here and that may be a more important driver to advertisers than the demographics of the members.

https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adstats

I would agree that content is the main driver behind that as not many people will be searching for "Great project".

From personal experience of leaving a referral link in my signature while I was absent from the forum for a couple of years, I can say the click through and signup rates were very impressive.

Those signature campaigns are not promoting Bitcoins. They just pay in bitcoins.

I don't believe signature campaigns would be banned (at least in the near future). But I do believe they'd disappear just because they are useless as a marketing tool.

You have a signature campaign running on your profile, right now.
At the same time you are calling them useless. The hypocrisy or at least inconsistency is entertaining.

You claim they are useless, but I bet you can name almost every company that runs a signature campaign around here (assuming you spend any significant amount of time here). They are not useless, because anybody that has the time will probably do some research on the company, organization or project to see what is up. At least this is what I do, and if it is something I believe in then I will start using, investing or playing (if it's a casino). Hard to say that they're useless, when they're doing exactly as they are intended to.

I am against it. Because as someone who is very interested in cryptocurrency but disadvantaged because I have not much for investing, I somewhat panicked. Signature campaigns are one of the methods I use to get funds in buying cryptos for long term. Plus, it's a motivation for me to learn more about investments and other technical stuffs about cryptos.  :( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Your account is a month old, today; I'm curious what is your definition of "long term"? Unless you have multiple accounts that are older than this you can't possibly have been earning crypto long term with signature campaigns, because 1-month is not long term.

You should not need to be paid in order to find motivation to learn about Bitcoin. You should either be interested in Bitcoin without being paid to post or you aren't really interested in Bitcoin, you are interested in being paid.

@O.P We will be paid for replying in this thread of yours thank you for creating it that how signature campaign works voila I learn something new today.


Do your research before replying or rather make at least a standard comment I find your comment lacking the state of probability that it contributes anything, for the O.P itself, speaking of which it is like laconic in sense to understand by normal human beings.

Without marketing we wouldn't be able to meet each other in this community its like bitcoin itself just pop up like a psychedelic mushroom and we just happen to know it because we know horticulturist.

If signature campaigns have been running for years and are still running, it clearly shows that these signature campaigns are profitable for marketers to run and they do get clicks. Posts on this forum can be found on Google, and with some people having thousands and thousands of posts, it's very likely even someone browsing Google for information that somehow lands on Bitcointalk will click on a signature after getting the information they need, as one change in avatar and signature means the signature and avatar is changed on all of your posts.

I only know 'long term' in theory based on what i read. i have only a few satoshis in my wallet and ether and tokens in other. I'm learning from my friends who do bitcoins for a year now and encourages me to invest long term soon. You may be right on that one, but i'm really interested in cryptocurrency as a whole. Personally, money is something I didn't have growing up so many might relate to my sentiment. But I appreciate your input... made me mull over your question.

Wow, and that's for 1 week of advertising. If we say 1.5 BTC is the average revenue earned for ads per week we're talking about 78 BTC earned per year, not bad!

Another important factor to consider for keeping the traffic up is that it's likely the newer members in this forum that click through to see these ads as they discover different players in the cryptocurrenc market.

I don't understand how the fact I think signature campaigns are useless as a marketing tool and the fact I'm wearing a signature shows some kind of hypocrisy or inconsistency. I don't have to believe that signature is a good advertisement to wear it. But I have to admit that "useless" is not what I meant to say. I rather think signature campaigns aren't worth money people spend on them. Hundreds of thousands of dollars are spent to promote dozens ICOs on one particular forum (even the biggest one) - I don't think it's beneficial enough. Personally I know at least two ICOs where devs just don't want to pay for their bounty campaigns (but they probably will have to do that) just because they got almost nothing from them and have to pay a LOT of money.

Nevertheless I try to promote projects I like in the case I'm wrong about all these bounty campaigns so no hypocrisy or inconsistency at all.

They are effective, but not as much as they were a few years ago. The forums become to saturated with adverts that people are simply automatically skipping them in their mind. It happens on websites that you visits and the adverts are there, but you never really read them or take notice. It's one of the reasons why stickies are often ignored in the forums.

A few people claimed a while back that they could live off the referral links that they had in their signatures, but if they were to try that in todays market it likely wouldn't yield the same results.

You don't understand how spending your time promoting and advertising something you claim to be useless is silly, irrational or inconsistent?

You are proud to be getting paid for something you seem to know is worthless, not contributory and you admit that you should not be getting paid as much?

You're right, you don't have to believe a signature is a good advertisement to wear it, but it proves how easily you will sell-out and promote something you don't agree with, are actively campaigning against and believe to be worthless. This is like a smoker talking about how disgusting cigarettes are while they are smoking; you're a hypocrite or at least inconsistently manifesting your behavior in accordance to your voiced principals/opinion.

If you do not understand how your actions and your words are contradictory to one another then there isn't much left for us to discuss. I was just saying you should probably reevaluate your position on signature campaigns in rhetoric or reevaluate your actions by promoting them.

I don't know. I just think so. And as I mentioned earlier I can be wrong. The fact I wear signature doesn't harm anyone. There is a slight chance it doesn't benefit anyone either. That's why I don't see any inconsistency in my behavior. A smoker analogy is not the best in this case (btw many smokers DO say smoking is bad and no one should do that). I'd rather say I'm a Formula 1 driver who takes money for wearing Toyota underwear - it doesn't harm anyone, it doesn't benefit anyone (probably) but if Toyota thinks it'll help them in some way and they're ready to pay for that - why should I refuse?



As I said I promote only those projects I like. In the case signature make any difference.

They can recover the advertising costs with just few high playing costs. Especially the gambling relates websites can get monthly paying customers here. This forum is related to crypto which is emerging and this is the only reason we have such an earning opportunity for members here.

Signature campaign is one of the best way to advertise or promote ICO or any project in crypto world, that is why i do not think this method will be removed in this forum. About merit system if all the campaign manager make it a basis i think many shit poster will not be able to join in the campaign.

Correct, signature campaign was used by many ICO developer to promote their coin specially if trusted or higher ranked member of this forum wear the signature of their project it has a big impact to many investors because it also one of the basis for good ICO.
Yes, now merit system was included in selecting participants in signature campaign that is why it is a real nightmare for the spammers.

Correct, I think I may have seen a campaign by Yahoo62278 where there was a bonus for people with a certain  level of merit.
It may even become a requirement by applicants in the future,
where if you have not reached a certain merit you wont qualify to participate.
Merit is a clear indication that a member is contributing positively to the content of the forum.
As for signatures being removed, I cannot see it happening,
the signatures add so much on a few levels to the forum and with the merit system in place it will improve the posts by signature participants,
it should be an upwards spiral of sorts.

When I first came here, I didn't know anything about signature campaigns, forum was the place to find people interested about services and participating in Ponzis, waiting for reputable members to launch their legitimate investment services to invest and earn.

Signature campaigns used to pay $20 to the highest rank, having $5 as the lowest life beggars in full member rank was the best thing that could happen to beggars like me.

If I was cloud mining, all the talk was about cloud mining.

Do you guys even use any services and then talk about them?

Why should we have families with 10 accounts for every family member? I stopped my brother from posting here, quit being a lowlife beggar and do the same.

Don't make me to beg theymos to give me 50% of sMerits and then I'd merit any of your posts if you had no signature for a week.

I could even ask him to give me 5000 sMerits with me selling them for $0.1 per merit to only high quality posts and collect that money to reward the top merited member every month.

Campaign managers should be accountable for the post quality of these wearing their signature. As per my understanding a certainly *decent* amount of quality is needed in each post to qualify for a payment in signature campaigns.

Shall the manager check each post before payment ? And shall the manager warn/ban these who are not compliant a certain quality (aka Spammers) ?

The answer is Yes. Maybe moderators should warn managers and ban campaigns from the forum if these allow spam instead of removing signature campaigns. Personally I believe these are useful means of advertisement and a powerful tool, the focus should be in preventing quality deviations just for the sake of getting paid.