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I am suspecting that Crypto Whales are manipulating Bitcoin price this early year because they want to get more Bitcoin before it will take off to the moon again.
These Crypto Whales had been around since Bitcoin rises like a skyrocket last year and this early days of the year seems they just want to drive Bitcoin to the ground because when the Crypto Market recovers they will earn Millions and Billions Crypto worth of assets in the next few months.

How you guys think about this roller-coaster ride of Crypto Market this early year?
Do really Crypto Whales are manipulating everything behind our back?

Yes i often think that this price fall after boom is the result of some kind of manipulations. It is strange, that at first stage everyone was for crypto and then a month later they changed mind and made so many restrictions.

For sure there is a lot of manipulation going on as there are people and companies that hold so many coins that they are able to do that.

On the other hand, the boom was fueled by a lot of new money entering the market. At one point early holders will cash out and this can cause an avalanche of sells as a result.

Yes of course cash out may influence the situation, but I thing decisions of governments all over the world, restrictions made by big companies caused the crisis. And all this restrictions have some reason I guess, which is linked with manipulation.

There is no doubt that because the cryptocurrency market remains a small market, it is possible to manipulate the price of bitcoin, which requires only a few FUD that will make bitcoin have a big fall.

This is definitely something to think about. They really can do such thing. And we all know, Bitcoin will cross $50k mark in future.

Or they just want to take the tremendous amount of profit after Bitcoin skyrocketing in the late of 2017. A correction should happen before another leg up, and i'm sure we are in the stage of corrections before another pump. You better to start accumulating more Bitcoin while its cheap.

Do you have another reason why BTC was pumped up to 20k and then dumped right to 6.5k level?
Whales just increased their BTC amount by 2-3 times just for last 30-40 days.

I think you got the point in your perspectives, and i guess these whales are the ones dumping and once the price gets lower they again pump and buy it back. As what cryptocurrency works, depends on the supply on the market and the demand of the investors which makes price fluctuates.

I think we cant manipulate bitcoin,  but it depends on what kind of manipulation it is.  Important is we understand bout bitcoin and what is the used of it. 

Yup, I think they're manipulating the market specifically on the media side. Creating news that can trigger people to sell and buy bitcoin. You may take a look on google and search "bitcoin news" last day they talked about BTC price down & now they're talking about skyrocket high price of bitcoin. I'm just too confused on what's going on with the market of BTC  :(

Crypto whales have capability to control the crypto currency market. Just like in other market the bigger your pocket is the more you could play with the prices.

For 2018 retracement  i do not think that it is the crypto whales i think this is just an accumulated bad news from countries banning or regulating it. Also the price correction is inevitable, but this whales have a huge advantage in trading because they can be a market trender. They are not the reason for the price decline but they could be the reason for the price rise. They are just waiting for the perfect opportunity.

Cryptocurrency market and stocks are all linked together by a combination of factors which also includes the number of people who are currently investing on it and sometimes if they do it in coordination they can affect the prices of bitcoin and the cryptocurrency market as a whole. This is in high time because it is decentralized it can only affect otself and itself alone

Yup! manipulation is here to stay and because there are many whales that are dumping their bitcoin it will sure make an avalanche on the price of bitcoin, this is very common manipulation and they will then bought bitcoin for a cheaper price and because they have the knowledge that the market will recover, And certain FUD can sure add up to this kind of manipulation and newbies are their common target to sell their bitcoin at a lower price, I really think we can sure ride the same wave they are doing but we can not know the exact thing it will occur.

So the whales are the responsible of the current dropping down of the bitcoin? I also agree with your opinion but I think it is just one of the reason behind the volatility of bitcoin. The market manipulation seems to be a conspiracy to make more profits and I think whales are just benefiting from the market.

Yes, I also do believe that people with high volume of money is doing things like that, and in fact it is working, but we may just want to ride with it in order for us to take profit from it.

I also agree with you. because only bitcoin whales can manipulate prices. so as not to get caught up in this, we should not panic and then sell all the bitcoin we hold. keep calm and the price then will surely rise again.

Not this time. Bitcoin has been growing like crazy with 1-2k increases per day. It is pretty obvious that we are experiencing a strong correction now. The issues with the FUD from governments can't be called a manipulation in its usual meaning. The pure manipulation could be found then Bitcoin was on its way to 20k price. Back to that time there was an uncontrolled emission of USDT that was made in order to push BTC further so whales could get better profits before dumping their coins.

maybe it could happen. but I do not have enough data strong enough to say agree. I personally feel quite worried about what has happened over the past few months. yes, although many of the experts say, there is the role of whales behind all the ups and downs of bicoin.

Manipulations occur almost everywhere, importantly, to develop a strategy against manipulations, or not to stay where manipulations are.

Could be, or it could be just a normal market reaction knowing that bitcoin had an enormous gain from 2016 and most traders think that $19k is already a good time to cash out. I, for one would share the same sentiment, as I averaged all my buys @ $5000 and an almost 4x gain is very good given that you're just sitting there waiting for your money to grow. While there's still some manipulation currently on going in the crypto market, the massive sell-off in cryptospace couldn't be hinted towards manipulation alone; smart traders just want to cash out, and those who thought that it'll always be up sold at a loss in fear of getting their asses burned by these traders in the process.

Getting fucked by the man.  

Crypto Whales are always cheating on the price to make us loose even more money.  Someone has to make a system that prevent Whales from cheating the price and ripping off the little guy every time.  
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For sure whales are manipulating the price to their advantage.

Just don't forget that this goes for the other direction as well.

ALL markets are at their core manipulation. Never let yourself be lulled into a false sense of security because of so-called 'regulation', there will always be manipulators pulling the strings behind the curtain.

Of course those whales are controlling the crypto prices.   

I consider it as normal. We know that btc prices are volatile and driven by the market demand thus deal with it and go with the flow.

Yes this can be true, the sudden surge and drops in value might be due to their manipulation as they own huge percentage in all the existing bitcoin.

I mean if you think it's the whales that are the only ones that are manipulating Crypto, then you're going to have to be rudely awakened when you find out that crypto is just like any normal traidtional marketplace, it has the people in the news that are shilling, people in government (shilling and FUD'ing for all of these mind you) people who are traders, and so on and so forth.

There are many pieces to this cryto fuding / shilling scene. And everyone is here to make a buck.

^this.

Bitcoin manipulation is from big whales every day they create market to come down and encash from it

It's undeniable that Crypto Whales were always their behind all of this new financial trend of our generation.
I am not quite sure that this  Crypto Market was fully decentralized because the Crypto Whales are manipulating everything and I suspected that they are the reason why Bitcoin rises as higher as $20,000 before  it goes down last December.
We love to see the full decentralization of Crypto Market but seems impossible this time due to their capability on doing such.

I don't fully believe that the Crypto market is totally decentralized but neither totally manipulated. It's some kind of 50:50.
Whales could manipulate this entire Crypto Market but not fully and that's what I'm trying to prove because seems the Crypto Market is on a roller-coaster this time since December last year. Seems they are always making money on Crypto while investors are losing over and over again.

BTC trading volume has been at a low for a while.At peak we see up to 90-100k.This was during our last correction. On our way up to 20k we saw 65-94k. And throughout the squeeze and resistance at 14-16k we saw just under 40k volume.

A %-tax on crypto exchange greater than X amount of USD etc may help? maybe..

Use that money to build/repair roads and infrastructures, etc.

The people who holds big amount of bitcoin can really affect the bitcoin price just by moving their coins. Because they hold of bitcoin those whales can dictate the price making it increase or decrease.

It's so easy to manipulate the prices.  They either put on huge sell or buy offers which are fake to either pump the price or crash it.

There is a strong chance as getting a lot more Bitcoin to this downtrend before going to the moon is one of the best strategies out there in terms of accumulating Bitcoin cheap. I mean look at the recent rally from 5,900$ level to 9,100$ obviously the price won't come back to above 10,000$ as the whales won't let it as they are still accumulating Bitcoin with the recent downtrend. I also think that the whales will be the one who will start the recover phase of Bitcoin as they are the ones who have the ability to push the prices up and down.

For sure there is manipulation going on. Btc whales can easily manipulate btc price. When the news struck they just wait a bit and sell to drive the price down. So when majority of the people follow the sell trend they can buy btc at a cheap price. And now that the price is low they can buy btc again and make another humongous profit in the coming months

Many institutions, sectors or any large private individuals are after, or could be chasing after bitcoin. Knowing how it stronghold have been taking its independecy through years. Of course bitcoin manipulation will always be a trend to them as long as it is centralized or either way these people would stop.

There's a huge possiblity that they might manipulate the market right now because they have a finacial capability to do that. We all know in 1st quarter of 2017 btc values were just 2k usd and then it baloons where nobody expect that it would reached above 17k usd. And as everybody observed it's value was too volatile, from that stats controlling the changes were to easy for them because of their experienced in business field.

Hi mate, I think it is kind of conspiracy theory to suspect some big whales are behind the behaviur, which was pretty normal two or three years ago. If you look at the charts then, or even earlier, at 2013-2015 or if you read the news of those early days, the main complaint about bitcoin was the price fluctuations. Ockham's razor would tell us not to look for additional explanations of something that can be easily explained this way.

There is always a possibility of manipulation of big whales and big organization/group of people since cryptocurrency is not that big for them to control. By spreading negative news and spreading FUD, for sure all newcomers and weak hand will going to lose and the whales are getting richer.

How can btc is manipulation. Eventhough we do btc in small money but we can get a big profit than we do other business

There will be an end to that.
Once we become populated and countries accepting it they will have no chance to buy back after they sold it.
Demands will come even from small amount buyers and that will end them.
Their sold bitcoin might not come back to them and they will be doing it to just altcoins.

I think we should stop complaining or blaming whales on the way market goes. The bitcoin market was made to drop after its ATH. The point is the market needed correction. Again, we had numerous ban news from Asia.

On the contrary, if we still believe that the whales are responsible for whatever direction the market goes, we also have the opportunity to acquire other altcoins with prospect so we can also be a player in the market some day.  ;D

Is this still a secret?
the price of cryptocurrency is always manipulating by oligrach, otherwise, what force do you thing pump and dump the price of crytocurrency?
Still, those who hold crytocurrency early still can earn many from those who join crytocurrency later.

Oh yes I think these whales have something to do with the market. When you say manipulating, most people would think it is a negative thing these whales are working on but they do have a big role to play in the market. And with bitcoins price which is constantly fluctuating, of course there are some people who are behind it just like in the stocks market. The only difference they have is that these digital currencies are new and are selling like hotcakes compared to forex trading.

All commodities have some whales that have enough money to manipulate that specific market. I have even heard about

Gold syndicates that are manipulating the Gold price. A while ago, someone told me that some people are even manipulating

wheat prices. Bitcoin is still a relative small market, so big fiat whales from Wall Street and early adopters could easily

manipulate the Bitcoin price. {collectively}  ::)

CryptoCurrency market is ofcourse, at the particular moment the most manipulated market, and specially with Bitcoin, its for sure manipulated by the top holders and big firms or corporation as well. Everybody knows pump and dump, and its as well the great manipulation. But completely the market is not directed or manipulated by anyone, all factors combine to move the market valuation.

   I am talking about manipulations since I am here. With every
market is easy to manipulate if you have enough money or goods
to do it.
   Today it is easy to manipulate with Bitcoin market if you have
enoguh Bitcoins and any of traditional currencies, like dollars or euros.
You can start selling your Bitcoins, and you will make supply to go up.
Demenad is gowing down, and price si going down too. In one point you
start to buy Bitcoins back, for much lower price. You have manipulated
the price and now you have more Bitcoins and more traditional currency
cash. That is how people, or groups manipulate with any market, not just
with Bitcoins.
   To manipulate with any market all you need to do is to have more money
than the market worth. In that way you can manipulte and push the price
in any direction you like.

We have to refer to them not as whale's any longer.  The Whales became a Cartel that has no morphed into the BTC Central Bank.  

Who is John Galt?  Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? Same story, different author.

It's the hurt truth because this world is running like this in everything not Bitcoin only. If something has a price and that price can change so absolutely they will manipulate it.

As much as we hate them, they are really here to stay and stay for good. We already suspected they have their hands on this sudden fall and this roller coaster ride since the beginning of the month.

And we know its fraudulent but no authority can stop them because its a free market. The best thing to do is to ride with them, buying and accumulating bitcoin at dips and selling it at top price to take profits and then re-buy.

If you can't beat them, join them

But as far as identifying who's who behind our backs manipulatng, is another question.

The whales are not the main reason for the latest market plunge as a correction in price was long over due and it actually took the hard stance of some governments on ban and regulations to plant fear and panicking in the mind of some bitcoiners and then when the whales seized the opportunity to take profit, the price plunged further than anticipated. At any rate, Bitcoin remains the investment vehicle to beat and as away, the $19,000 price mark would be far behind by the time the next rallying fully sets in!

The FUD spread last week about governments banning cryptocurrencies coincided with the rumours of bitfinex pumping the price of bitcoin with Tether and the US Senate hearing on cryptocurrencies. It could be the whales who are behind this FUD in order to get the price down, which also happened. The price dropped below 6K in a very short time. But fortunately the price increased again and bitcoin will pass 10K soon.

I do not believe that the whales are behind the current crash (at least not due to wilful manipulation via pump and dump); however some of the daily or week-to-week volatility can be attributed to them.

Wow how many people we have running to sell their bitcoins, at a time when the Big Traders decided to lift the first price and then lower it to a minimum, thereby first buying you at a high price and then selling at the lowest price and assuring you that you did it themselves and right, guys see what happens to banks with some states, they all switch to new technology, and it's not returnable, so the price will always grow, do not be hamsters!

Bitcoin manipulation makes a great effect to its price. The scarce supply of bitcoin makes the price more volatile with that, we can say that the largest investors can take  advantage with the market. Whales controlling the price wherein they will sell bitcoin to drop down and buy it in a lpwer price. That's why we notice that sometime there is a crash and there is a increase in the price of bitcoin.

Manipulation will only get worse now that stock traders and brokers are getting in on the crypto market.

These brokers and the companies they work for have been manipulating markets for decades, now that they are trading in crypto you can guarantee that they will be trying their cr@p on the crypto market as well.

Even real companies stocks rise and fall due manipulations. BTC and other cryptos are easier for manipulation.

Absolutely!!!! whales are creating a staggering dip in the crypto market by the dump of coins.  Initially, the prices of bitcoin is racing up and going up. Then reaches a peak and then begins to nose dive. To do that the market must be flooded with coins to have that effect on the market and also this is a simultaneous effect as no one or two whales can create this effect. Finally, as the market begins to heal, they buy back and store, spending the profit or buying large shares or volumes of emerging crypto coins

It is visibly obvious how the world accepts and patronised bitcoin. Even though most people with a position or the government itself could not stop or manipulate it. But I guess, this what made bitcoin last. What people want for bitcoin is what it gives. No one controls it except for the people who is using it and it is always for good.

Well I agree with you, even the existing big companies there are manipulations. We cannot avoid that. Ups and downs are needed for the stability of bitcoin.

If I have enough money and can manipulate a market, I would do it as well. We cannot help it for now, it is easy money for them, no one can resist that. I just hope someday it will be harder for them to do it as marketcap of bitcoin rise.

the manipulation from whales occur at the most of the time, we as small investors could just take advantage behind them, so if we manage to sell at top an d buy at dip when they manipulate it it would be the best thing to do.

Grab your ankles and prepare to get fucked by the man! 

Crypto Whales are manipulating the price and you are gonna get ripped off.  Don't put your hard earned money into that rat hole.  RUN!

This is funny, China is the country holding the bigger amount of crypto, and of course BTC. Even it is estimated that at least the 30% of mining resides in china.
But… why, then, they have been banning BTC from the last months?
Well, of we make a tiny investigation, we can find how the Chinese central bank (People´s central Bank) has been researching about blockchain at least from 2014. Since they want to create a digital Yuan, I believe they needed to cut off BTC investments in order to convince the great industries to invest in the new  Digital Yuan.
Meantime, the still hold a big amount of BTC - and getting more and more by creating whales and lowing its price- and they have earned billions by mining and by trading…
so… whats next?? Is BTC going to be the “support” of Digital Yuan?

I believe this recently speculation, the dramatic changes in the BTC price,  its “falling”, is directly influenced by China. Since they have the biggest power of mining, as well as the bigger amount of BTC, they can do “whatever they want” with it. Now, is that related (the banning) with the new digital chinese coin? I don’t know, but maybe. But, anyway, it is funny that  China still holds the biggest amount of BTC and at the same time they created a new chinese Crypto directly based on Blockchain…

I agree, in fact big companies are the biggest manipulators today.
Let's take a look on the announcement for Ripple partnership of Big Companies like Western-Union and Middle East Countries like UAE and Saudi Arabia.
These announcements will cause surge of price value of Ripple in the next few days and Ripple might be overtake Ethereum as the second strongest Cryptocurrency in the market again.
Not only large volume of money are manipulating Cryptocurrency today but also the announcements of Big Companies and even celebrities tweets could make a momentum of the Crypto Market.

LoL! Yeah! It's the best clever move that everytime we get huge profits out of Cryptocurrencies we should transfer them into our own pocket, who knows! Cryptocurrency volatility is very high and there's numbers of event's that Crypto Market had crashed "Mega Dip".
What if they will not recover? What if all the money will fall on Big Companies' pockets and vaults!?
We can't say it's totally safe and our assets are secured.. Who knows!
I'd say, 50% of my Crypto Assets are on my digital wallet and the other half is in my pocket. Digital and real wallet.

yes because there are so many people and companies that hold too much bitcoin so they start to manipulate the price, and the more new coins emerging in the market, so that the price of the other coins will fall. And because there are some countries that forbid bitcoin like china and korea north makes the price worse off.

We could not totally blame them for the price decline.Manipulation is not as much easy as it was before when chinese manipulated the bitcoin market by just dumping their coins.But what could be said is that they just enjoy a price decline by further spreading FUD and adding fuel to the fire and not creating fire by themselves.

Manipulators could not be stopped, all we need to do is be strong and control emotions behinds those affecting news. Personally with myself I wasn't able to be move on that time when btc price at dropping stage, and sadly it wasn't easy for me to maintain my patience during those challenging days. Those whales really did a huge impact with the market manipulations and the effect is with small investors who had panicked.

It is because in the real world, they don't really care about the progress or the status of the Crypto Market, that's only beyond and away from their interests. All they want is to get as many as and as higher as their profits.
Money and profits is the only thing that drives into manipulation because investing money, time, effort to manipulate as certain thing could offer them more and higher income than just holding their Crypto Assets and doing nothing.

How can btc manipulation. You no need invest big money but we can earn big money

If you want to manipulate bitcoin you have to do it through other means, by controlling the media, things like that.

As reported by TechCrunch, their research calls attention to the potential risk of price manipulation and fraud withing cryptocurrencies. "If bitcoin wants to be taken seriously it probably shouldn't be this easy or legal to manipulate the markets," writes John Biggs for the publication. Bitcoin’s price may have been manipulated by traders seeking to shoot the price up with suspicious activity. New research found suspicious activity in the years-old transaction logs of the ill-fated Mt. Gox exchange, which went from handling 70 percent of all bitcoin transactions to declaring bankruptcy in 2014 after losing over 800,000 bitcoins. It appears a number of accounts automatically pushed the price up with bot-powered trades.

Yes cryptocurrencies markets are totally unregulated so it is really plausible that whales sit together and decide when the price will go up and when it will go down (they can just agree and open a 100X long/short on bitmex)

For us common people the only available strategy is HODL  ;)

I do believe too. I think it is their startegry to manipulate so that when it booms again or bounce back they have many cyrptocurrency in their hands or bitcoins and it will make them richer than they are right now. it will benefit them more. this is also my opinion. that is why now that the price is cheaper they had an opportunity to invest in bitccoin.

I too think that these whales are affecting the pricing of bitcoins. They have so many bitcoins and they are so many whales out there that once they all made a huge dump of bitcoins, the price may probably crash or spike very hard. These whales can control the price bitcoins.

No, in principle you can control (manipulate) bitcoin price by throwing some large quantities into the market or buying it in large quantities, plus providing some FUD. It has been known in the past as "pump and dump" cycles and it was very common then.

Contrary to common thinking, you need only moderate amounts of bitcoin to be able to effectively change its price. That is why, and I said it earlier, we don't need to involve big sharks from Wall Street into this scheme.

I'm not sure if it's exactly manipulated, but it's possible. I guess it's been clear South Korean governmental people were trying to influence the price and it actually worked. I guess major problem is people buy into anything here...

There are a lot of reasons why Bitcoin price has declined so much. I also wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that "whales" tried to lower the price as much as they could which would allow them to buy Bitcoin for almost nothing! However, it is a matter of time now before Bitcoin gets back to "normal". A lot of people are afraid that Bitcoin failed and will collapse soon. That is obviously unreasonable, there is always a huge panic when we are in the middle of the correction.

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Yes the South Korea affects the price of Bitcoin somehow, because weakhands are buying these kind of news. I think these banning of Bitcoin news is just segway for the big whales to manipulate the price without being noticed by mediocre investors who already suspected them about the so-called "pump and dump".  But in general big players in the crypto market can manipulate the price because they are capable of throwing huge amount of money in a single coin, just imagine if they sell all their supplies, what will happen to the price? (supply and demand).

Bitcoin has really exceeded it capacity to be the greates buzz for the passing years in the means of banking, we can tell, its really manipulated by trusted moderators which have done their works so that the investors would trust too, negative ideas incremented.

It's true that a group of big whales who previously pro bitcoin have maneuvered to betray and manipulate bitcoin prices, they correlate with Tether to spread FUD, which consequently occurs panic sales between them/lay people.


Yes we can't possibly manipulate bitcoin, but for large whales that have 40% bitcoin, of course it's very easy to do so.

Your deduction might be true. bitcoin hit the bottom point from $20k to $6k.
they want to buy bitcoin at low price, so they manipulate the market