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Title: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: oleganza on September 16, 2013, 08:55:56 AM
There are generally 3 options that people speculate about: either Satoshi works for something like NSA (in US, UK or other country), or he/she is an academic, or some independent cypherpunk. Option about NSA is two-sided: either Bitcoin is an evil conspiracy against mankind, or it's a creation to save the world by someone in the knowledge within a well-funded government agency.

What's your speculation?



Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: frankenmint on September 16, 2013, 09:14:35 AM
he did enough solo mining to be through by now...for all we know there is someone who works for bitcoin full-time who happens to be him and its a schizophrenic episode to be satoshi.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: greyhawk on September 16, 2013, 09:15:15 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram for "i am NSA, took oaths"

Make of that what you will.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: will1982 on September 16, 2013, 11:30:30 AM
I'm guessing he wouldn't degrade himself with any of those organizations


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: cointoss on September 16, 2013, 11:41:28 AM
I doubt the official story of the lone anonymous hacker. Time may tell.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: jackjack on September 16, 2013, 11:45:07 AM
Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram for "i am NSA, took oaths"

Make of that what you will.
http://sameffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/mind-blown.gif


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: tysat on September 16, 2013, 12:28:50 PM
Why does it have to be good or evil for it to be a government plan, can't it just be some gray area?


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: faiza1990 on September 16, 2013, 12:36:39 PM
I think he is working for NSA like organization or may be part of this :D


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: tmbp on September 16, 2013, 03:37:45 PM
himself/herself  :D


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: oleganza on September 16, 2013, 03:47:34 PM
Why does it have to be good or evil for it to be a government plan, can't it just be some gray area?

Difference is this:

1. Either it's some govt plan for whatever good/gray/bad reasons.

2. Or he/she is a single smart person working in NSA or another place that hire many smart cryptographers and hackers. He/she wants to change the world by releasing Bitcoin, but can be prosecuted for espionage by his/her own employee. Also, if people find out that Bitcoin is made by a someone in NSA, they might not trust it very much.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: rampantparanoia on September 16, 2013, 03:50:03 PM
Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram for "i am NSA, took oaths"

Make of that what you will.
http://sameffect.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/mind-blown.gif

can't decide which applies more for me:
http://airnahbuns.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/anigif_enhanced-buzz-23324-1364233690-1.gif
or
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view6/3313304/old-spice-mind-blown-o.gif

i guess i'm leaning on #2 due to its caption


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: giszmo on September 16, 2013, 05:47:41 PM
Define good or evil.

My guess is, it's the US gov preparing for a post-USD world with them holding some 50% of the worlds money reserve again. For me that's damn evil as I don't see any chance of getting rid of the military industrial complex if that's the case.

If you work in the US "defense" (only one " for brevity) sector, that's damn good as your employer will not run out of wars for the next 100 years. If you are into Bitcoin for the profit, that's damn good as there is no way Bitcoin could be stopped by any Fed or gov or anything. If you think "honest money" can only be better than fiat because the banks can go die finally, no matter the fact that some organisation owns half of all of this oh so honest money, then it's good.

These thoughts make it hard for me to put all my weight behind the white knight Bitcoin saving us all from evil fiat. It's not black or white. The idea is good and Crypto-Money is here to stay but I doubt some provable non-gov version would ever survive that long.

Edit: Ok, I picked "evil plan" just to see what the others picked and I can't believe 70% think that it was a single person! Is this forum run by the NSA with tons of sock puppets?


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: jeffhuys on September 16, 2013, 09:06:35 PM
It could be a name for a group of hackers...


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: p2pbucks on September 16, 2013, 10:31:04 PM
independent hacker i guess
he is a great man  ;D


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: ghostshirt on September 16, 2013, 10:34:36 PM
e) Illuminati


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: zuerdemon on September 16, 2013, 10:41:09 PM
And does anybody know or it should be in Speculation section ?


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: TheButterZone on September 16, 2013, 10:55:12 PM
a government agency (with good intention)    - doubt it, people with 100% good intentions in government get fucked
a government agency (as a part of an evil plan) - his identity would be revealed then, because the government loves acting like all the evil it does is actually "for the children"
himself/herself (independent hacker) - independent hackers seem to get revealed, like Mitnick, and get bent over by the government, no matter if they are black/white/grey hats.
a university - this is my vote, because I've seen rabble-rousing university professors like John Lott manage to be successful and not get bent over by the government despite some universities being quasi-governmental


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: ronimacarroni on September 16, 2013, 11:12:19 PM
His white paper looks like it was made somebody who most likely went to grad school for computer science/cryptography.
So I think he works for a university.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: phelix on September 17, 2013, 08:25:35 AM
Define good or evil.

My guess is, it's the US gov preparing for a post-USD world with them holding some 50% of the worlds money reserve again. For me that's damn evil as I don't see any chance of getting rid of the military industrial complex if that's the case.

If you work in the US "defense" (only one " for brevity) sector, that's damn good as your employer will not run out of wars for the next 100 years. If you are into Bitcoin for the profit, that's damn good as there is no way Bitcoin could be stopped by any Fed or gov or anything. If you think "honest money" can only be better than fiat because the banks can go die finally, no matter the fact that some organisation owns half of all of this oh so honest money, then it's good.

These thoughts make it hard for me to put all my weight behind the white knight Bitcoin saving us all from evil fiat. It's not black or white. The idea is good and Crypto-Money is here to stay but I doubt some provable non-gov version would ever survive that long.

Edit: Ok, I picked "evil plan" just to see what the others picked and I can't believe 70% think that it was a single person! Is this forum run by the NSA with tons of sock puppets?
This. Petrodollar --> Bitcoin.  Could also be some other country fed up by the petrodollar.

But it is hard to imagine a) an agency being so creative, b) them not being scared but really pulling it of



Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: Alpaca Bob on September 17, 2013, 11:00:13 AM
I suggest we keep Litecoin around just in case.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: DobZombie on September 17, 2013, 12:30:02 PM
Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram for "i am NSA, took oaths"

Make of that what you will.

It's also...

A MOIST SATAN HOOK.

make of that what you will...
O.o


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: hayek on September 17, 2013, 01:01:43 PM
himself/herself  :D


Hahahaha. Oh that's a good one. Everyone knows girls cant use the internet


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: fronti on September 17, 2013, 01:05:11 PM
himself/herself  :D


Hahahaha. Oh that's a good one. Everyone knows girls cant use the internet

an this is why she disapeard


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: jdbtracker on September 17, 2013, 02:43:04 PM
I chose independent hacker, I just have to look at the effect. My reasoning is that whether something is intentional or not... it has the same result; What has been accomplished? 4 million of the worlds smartest people have been gathered to this honey pot, it has been built for exploration and experimentation(personal opinion, the flaws in Bitcoin seem intentional for experimentation) anyone can copy it, anyone can modify it, all opinions are explored and understood(like the blockchain), the system is being improved and all parts of the system are being analyzed and improved in a grand evolutionary algorithm run by millions of human minds... There is no doubt in my mind this group of people built this to inspire humanity to find the true answer about what money is and how to implement it.
   Hell I even read in the namecoin forum that Vinced was Satoshi! he made the first alt-coin!! what can we gather from this if it is true? Satoshi aimed to inspire creators and explorers. I'm still learning as much as I can about Namecoin right now and am looking forward to try to understand the C++ code to see what the purpose was. This is deep man, I am excited to discover new concepts and ideas in this grand puzzle. :)


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: oleganza on September 17, 2013, 02:49:29 PM
His white paper looks like it was made somebody who most likely went to grad school for computer science/cryptography.
So I think he works for a university.

Most mathematicians working for govt are coming from universities. The difference is that university folks are doing abstract research while NSA/CIA have very practical requests.

In my opinion, Satoshi is employed by UK agency and does not want them to accuse him of any sort of espionage. I don't think he is a professor because he has many practical "educated guesses" while academics tend to prove everything more formally. And I doubt he is not employed and well-paid for his broad education. Government agencies like NSA are the first candidates to employ such people, pay them well and provide them with more or less comfortable conditions. (Private corporation would have to constantly meet production goals or risk losing money — it's a less comfortable place to be if you are not an owner.)



Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: Lucky - Luciano on September 17, 2013, 09:04:52 PM
Who is Satoshi? That I do not know :). There are people who think that almost certainly behind the name Satoshi are at least 3 men (approximately one knows who they are). Unfortunately, I'm not one of them :). I do  think Satoshi can not be just one guy. One man nothing can be achieved - the man is a social being and that it separates from the beast. Again, the secret is kept pretty! Such a level of secrecy characterizes greatest state secrets.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: greyhawk on September 17, 2013, 09:25:22 PM
He is a Cyberpunk from way back

Was he on a.c.chatsubo?


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: marcotheminer on September 18, 2013, 08:29:32 AM
himself?


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: marcovaldo on September 18, 2013, 09:01:34 AM
There are generally 3 options that people speculate about: either Satoshi works for something like NSA (in US, UK or other country), or he/she is an academic, or some independent cypherpunk. Option about NSA is two-sided: either Bitcoin is an evil conspiracy against mankind, or it's a creation to save the world by someone in the knowledge within a well-funded government agency.

What's your speculation?



Satoshi is the NSA.

Nakamoto SAtoshi

NSA paper, 1996: "How To Make A Mint: The Cryptography of Anonymous Electronic Cash". One referenced crypto expert is named Tatsuaki Okamoto.

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: Kluge on September 18, 2013, 09:08:48 AM
Satoshi's Mossad connections are well-known, though he stopped working for them around the time Gavin went to the FBI. Satoshi is no longer involved with BTC, now instead working to sell the Queen of England's massive cocaine store through Silk Road.

http://larouchepac.com/article/Bitcoin-Creator-Discovered-Selling-Cocaine-for-Qu


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: viboracecata on September 18, 2013, 09:49:02 AM
he is professor works for some universities.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: balanghai on September 18, 2013, 10:01:20 AM
Paving the way for the cashless society?


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: gollum on September 18, 2013, 11:48:13 AM
I believe Satoshi is a small team, consisting of at least one programmer and one mathematician. It is possible that he is a genius mastering both areas, but it is more probable that it is several specialized persons in a team.

It is quite possible that Satoshi is employed by government agencies, but I think Bitcoin is his/their private project.


Title: Re: Poll: Satoshi works for...
Post by: TippingPoint on September 18, 2013, 09:34:52 PM
University

The Professor
http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy285/VickiValentine99/Gilligans%20%20Island/Gilliga38.jpg