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Title: Opposite of FUD
Post by: gcxc on February 15, 2018, 05:36:59 PM
I've been seeing a clear and growing movement on nearly all the boards and places like Telegram where moderators and those who frequent it like to call anything that counters their farting rainbows and sunshine FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) and use this as some type of weapon to confuse and belittle facts which are apparent.  I am coining these people BAD or SAD.

SAD (Stubbornness, Anger/Aggressiveness and Denial) or BAD (Belief, Anger/Agressiveness and Denial)

--Stubbornness and/or Belief that lies from the company don’t matter and that everything will sort itself out – just give it more time – claims that this is a ‘startup’ and these things are to be expected.    Claims that anything contrary to their opinion of hope and want is FUD.  Facts don’t matter – only feelings.
--Anger at those that point out the inconsistencies and can detail the clear signs of fraud and obfuscations from the company.  Also like to blame those that bring up these issues as if they want the coin to drop to ‘get a lower price’.  Also manifests in people saying if you feel that way you should just ‘sell your coins and go away.’  This Nazi-like cultist view is typical of Millennials and Liberals and parent basement dwellers – only their view can be tolerated and if you bring up facts it has to correspond with their limited world view, else it’s FUD. 
--Denial that they are wrong and that the company is doing the right thing by ignoring facts.  Denial that prior statements made in things like White papers or Technical papers or even on official company proclamations means anything.  Giving credit when none is deserved.  Belief that if they can find a few like minded people they must be right and all else must be dismissed as FUD.


People that like to claim everything counter to their views as FUD are simply helping to promote bad coins (think Bitconnect) and other that are failing/have failed/will fail since they tend to prevent rational thought and realistic opinions from being made.

When a company that does an ICO is late, fails to live up to their white paper timelines/promises, and does not immediately identify the reasons and a mitigation path, it is a clear warning sign.  FRAS (Farting Rainbows and Sunshine) does not help.  As the coin market matures and many coins are linked to viable products and services, there are no good excuses for missing key deadlines and rolling out products that were promised.  Anything less than this is clear and present danger signs of impending doom, exit scams, and failures.  Maybe it's a poor business plan, maybe the owners are just milking their products and time until they can cash out based on coin selling timelines, etc.  But it's unfortunate that there aren't more oversight regulations on message boards that simply form a cult-like following where anything goes as long as you are complimenting the coins and say nothing contrary.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: randythered on February 15, 2018, 05:54:30 PM
The sad (no pun) fact of it is that labeling things as FUD is an easy way to get away with all of the things you mention. ICOs have so much control over the information that is portrayed and they can easily manipulate things in their own way with such FUD shaming.

So many telegram groups etc will just remove anyone who says anything slightly negative or questioning of the ICO. It's a sure fire way to be able to dupe unsuspecting investors who believe there are no issues because they've not seen anyone else raise any.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: Febo on February 15, 2018, 06:32:08 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.



Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: hdclover on February 15, 2018, 06:43:01 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.


In simple words this is what majority of the youtubers like suppoman, crypto love etc do. They gonna shill some coins hard and once the dust is settled they will forget about it. They are promoting numerous coins for their personal benefit. Out of 100 only 3 - 4 coins succed and then they will call themselves as crypto gurus by claiming "I have called this when it was X".


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: qazgroup on February 15, 2018, 06:52:43 PM
Looks like FUD is gone and FOMO is going to take over the market now, i wish we will see 1000 billion market soon and this will
Mark the mass adoption of crypto and blockchain market.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: lokinator on February 15, 2018, 08:02:54 PM
I agree with most of what you are saying -- But I think you should add the distinction between an overall crypto-market FUD and "FUD" directed toward a specific coin or project based upon reason. The majority of what I call "FUD" are doom and gloom threads directed at the crypto market as a whole and not a specific project or crypto.

I don't think most folks consider point based speculation or input towards a specific project, which is based upon a reasonable point of view as "FUD." I agree, that anyone who counters a valid argument toward a specific crypto, with "FUD" shaming or calling it out as "FUD" is indeed, "SAD" or "BAD."

:)


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: goyal.dkg on February 15, 2018, 08:07:17 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.



but still shilling is still better as it dont crash market , and even with lies they only take side of crypto markets .
FUD on other hand cause panic in all .


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: bitcoinzen on February 15, 2018, 08:18:45 PM
Opposite of FUD in my view is FOMO fear of missing out this will add more fear to newbies they may miss the opportunity they buy at high price


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: mulukey on February 15, 2018, 09:04:31 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.



but still shilling is still better as it dont crash market , and even with lies they only take side of crypto markets .
FUD on other hand cause panic in all .
Investment psychology plays a very important role in the success of a financial investor. The opposite of FUD is the FOMO, which makes investors fail to master their thinking and investing in the crowd leads to heavy losses as they are moving in the direction whales are prepared. for them. Stay calm to make the right decision about the market in every situation.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: sedou on February 15, 2018, 09:30:01 PM
People tend to label everything that has negative impact on the project as fud. If it is really fud or not does not seem to matter to people.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: DeepChipolino on February 15, 2018, 09:45:05 PM
In the world of cryptocurrency, in a short time, all syndromes intertwine. The difference between the cryptocurrency market and stock market is that the first of them is very volatile. As a consequence, unfortunately, each of us can become infected with this or that syndrome.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: marks1976 on February 15, 2018, 11:28:12 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.



but still shilling is still better as it dont crash market , and even with lies they only take side of crypto markets .
FUD on other hand cause panic in all .
Better for what? As far as i know those are shilling don't even care about the truth. Basically they are spreading the bullshit rumour or news to make others believe with them all. basically shillers can become FUDers anytime. So what's your conclusion about that? because i've seen so many shills and FUDers. They are all look the same.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: randythered on February 16, 2018, 09:18:23 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.



but still shilling is still better as it dont crash market , and even with lies they only take side of crypto markets .
FUD on other hand cause panic in all .
Better for what? As far as i know those are shilling don't even care about the truth. Basically they are spreading the bullshit rumour or news to make others believe with them all. basically shillers can become FUDers anytime. So what's your conclusion about that? because i've seen so many shills and FUDers. They are all look the same.

They're entirely the same, there's no lesser of two evils. They're just trying to manipulate people by playing on their emotions and feeding them lies.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: go4crypto on February 16, 2018, 09:26:43 PM
One should not be carried away too much by FUD or FOMO but research and invest for the long term.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: Omega Weapon on February 16, 2018, 11:07:17 PM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.


In simple words this is what majority of the youtubers like suppoman, crypto love etc do. They gonna shill some coins hard and once the dust is settled they will forget about it. They are promoting numerous coins for their personal benefit. Out of 100 only 3 - 4 coins succed and then they will call themselves as crypto gurus by claiming "I have called this when it was X".
Yeah most users do not like FUD but do not like shilling either because is dishonest, it deceives people into thinking that a project is actually better than it really is and this is a way to deceive investors but we must learn to tell the difference, having a good opinion of a project does not mean people are shilling and expressing a negative opinion about a project does not mean someone is using FUD.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: Yuuto on February 16, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
There is a lot of FUD going on in the crypto space. But there is probably just as much SAD or BAD.

A lot of people who are in telegram groups, as you said, try to expose altcoins of their wrongdoings. The admins just refer it as FUD and then kick the guys out because they complained about something that is actually an issue.

These altcoin projects are usually not going to be a good investment and you shouldn't even bother looking at them, honestly. There are also a lot of investors, such as the ones in BCC, that does not give up spreading BAD and SAD until BCC actually crashes.


Title: Re: Opposite of FUD
Post by: Febo on February 18, 2018, 02:52:53 AM
Opposite of FUD

Opposite of FUD is actually called shilling. That do pumpers after they accumulated cheap coins over weeks they were FUDing. Then they start shill. They tell us how that coin will solve world hunger and found cure for cancer.



but still shilling is still better as it dont crash market , and even with lies they only take side of crypto markets .
FUD on other hand cause panic in all .
Better for what? As far as i know those are shilling don't even care about the truth. Basically they are spreading the bullshit rumour or news to make others believe with them all. basically shillers can become FUDers anytime. So what's your conclusion about that? because i've seen so many shills and FUDers. They are all look the same.


Exactly Shiling is same toxic and FUD. With shiling they try to convince you to buy some crap coin. So you dump some valuable coin to buy crap coin close to ATH.  How could that not be bad.