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Title: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: skymberloh on February 18, 2018, 10:57:14 PM
She left her family in order to provide for the family even though it is against her will to be away from them and now this happens.  I mean, what happened to her was really really terrible, her boss put her body in the fridge after she died and for one long year, her body stayed there. What do you think about these guys? I am really sad right now, I know how hard it is to work in a foreign country. Here's a link:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/02/18/Body-of-slain-OFW-Joanna-Demafelis-arrives-in-Sara-Iloilo.html


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: BADecker on February 18, 2018, 11:03:22 PM
Yes, slavery exists all over the Middle East. But it is prevalent in Africa - Morocco, Western Sahara, Mozambique.

8)


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Mometaskers on February 19, 2018, 01:06:40 AM
"Formal" slavery is more prevalent in North Africa than it is in the Middle East actually, or at least that's what I got from some investigative docus. With the Middle East it's more that the workers are being abused. Prior to this chilling incident, it's been quite common to hear reports of workers having their passport and papers confiscated by employers and then not being paid for their work - practically slavery.

I think it's the system there (and to some extent the culture) that allows these abuses on foreign workers to continue and that's what need to change. There are good enough employers there. A cousin worked in KSA (which many say is the worst when it comes to worker protection) for 2 years and he was just fine. Even converting can't account for the treatment since even the Hindu Nepalis were okay. But then again, he's a guy and it was a construction company. Domestic workers (who are almost always female) seem to receive the worst treatment.

Not a Duterte fan but glad for what he did. It is diplomatically costly but it caught people's attention since it forced the Kuwaiti government to react (which is basically them telling Duterte he's overreacting). Hoping this would eventually lead to changes that would help many foreign workers there.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: keyrun on February 19, 2018, 02:15:59 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-trafficking-marriage/indian-child-brides-sold-in-package-deals-to-men-from-gulf-states-idUSKBN1CF1F7

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311674/Gang-tried-sell-girls-virginity-wealthy-Arabs-150-000.html

They even get away with human auctions in europe, european laws isn't valid for them.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Herdawnia on February 19, 2018, 02:35:50 AM
She left her family in order to provide for the family even though it is against her will to be away from them and now this happens.  I mean, what happened to her was really really terrible, her boss put her body in the fridge after she died and for one long year, her body stayed there. What do you think about these guys? I am really sad right now, I know how hard it is to work in a foreign country. Here's a link:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/02/18/Body-of-slain-OFW-Joanna-Demafelis-arrives-in-Sara-Iloilo.html

Well slavery exist but with your topic i dont think slavery is the right term. Usually middle east country not all of them do abuse their employees, I think thats one of the fetish of those Abusive employers.

Slavery is you submit your self and letting your dominant do anything on their favour.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Sithara007 on February 19, 2018, 03:38:03 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Palmholder on February 19, 2018, 05:58:58 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.
   What you said is often happens in south eastern Europe (Russia). I know a lot of stories about people been abused same way as you said, but they mostly work at bricks handicraft factories which situated in hidden places.
   Just resently saudi women was allowed to drive a car (just several months ago), can you imagine that? So I am not surprised that slavery exists there. I also consider PDRK as slavery labour camp. A lot of slaves live at our Earth, no doubt


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Skuylaruy on February 19, 2018, 06:06:40 AM
Yes, slavery exists all over the Middle East. But it is prevalent in Africa - Morocco, Western Sahara, Mozambique.

8)

 Yes it is true! Specially for household worker. Not all but mostly  they experienced unfair treatment..


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Sithara007 on February 19, 2018, 06:31:24 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.
   What you said is often happens in south eastern Europe (Russia). I know a lot of stories about people been abused same way as you said, but they mostly work at bricks handicraft factories which situated in hidden places.
   Just resently saudi women was allowed to drive a car (just several months ago), can you imagine that? So I am not surprised that slavery exists there. I also consider PDRK as slavery labour camp. A lot of slaves live at our Earth, no doubt

Yup.. I heard about such instances from Chechnya and Daghestan. The Muslims there enslaved ethnic Russians and forced them to work in brick factories and mines. I thought it will be better to give these two republics independence from Russia. They don't contribute anything to the Russian economy, and at the same time a large part of the crime in Russia is being committed by the people from these two regions.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: balintong15 on February 19, 2018, 06:54:48 AM
slavery. in the history it is making one person serve you, he like it or not. and if he will not obey or follow you, you have the right to punish him. i dont think slavery is still present in our world today because there is a social media now. everyone who caught in the act while doing something violence will be punish by law. some countries do not want violence and slavery. and in the middle east i dont think if slavery is still present there but as far as i know they do not practicing it.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Nati.Curiosa on February 19, 2018, 07:19:19 AM
Oh my! Why such things still happen at all???


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: UzumakiSakuragi on February 19, 2018, 08:07:25 AM
 It is sad to say that yes  slavery still present in middle east mostly household workers or maids .unfair treatment abuse and  violence this are the experience they usually facing.but to be fair many people also  benefited  from the richest of the country.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: PilosopongTacio on February 19, 2018, 08:53:31 AM
She left her family in order to provide for the family even though it is against her will to be away from them and now this happens.  I mean, what happened to her was really really terrible, her boss put her body in the fridge after she died and for one long year, her body stayed there. What do you think about these guys? I am really sad right now, I know how hard it is to work in a foreign country. Here's a link:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/02/18/Body-of-slain-OFW-Joanna-Demafelis-arrives-in-Sara-Iloilo.html

Yes,still is, different forms of slavery still exists today,  anything that is against your will is an example of slavery. Being told on what to say and what to do. Unfortunately,this mentality to enslave people is a human trait passed down by our ancestors. An act came from royal families. I think it naturally flows from our veins. The behavior to be served by others, even owning a pet or an animal can be considered as slavery. Is slavery present at this time? Of course yes. Not only in the middle east but everywhere. We are all a slave. A Slave of time,our everyday needs,because of poverty and because other people enslave us too. We enslave others too. Either an animal or people. This is an endless cycle. And that is the truth. The sad part is that people have to die because of slavery,made by people that disregards human importance and lack of empathy to others. This has been going on for almost a thousand years. Crusade,exploration and voyages to discover new lands,invasions of cultures,properties,countries and cities. Territorial expansions.
The results were the same. People died because they refused to be a slave.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Firefox07 on February 19, 2018, 09:42:52 AM
Sad to say that even the present time slavery is still existing. Those slaves are working against their will with no pay. And sometimes slaves are killed.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Mometaskers on February 20, 2018, 02:05:41 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.
   What you said is often happens in south eastern Europe (Russia). I know a lot of stories about people been abused same way as you said, but they mostly work at bricks handicraft factories which situated in hidden places.
   Just resently saudi women was allowed to drive a car (just several months ago), can you imagine that? So I am not surprised that slavery exists there. I also consider PDRK as slavery labour camp. A lot of slaves live at our Earth, no doubt

@Sithara that is also very common news from my countrymen. Some maids would even get killed or disabled as they attempt to escape. There was one who jumped off an apartment building. And not to mention the ever present risk of sexual assault. Even being male is no protection. Like I said the current system perpetuates this. Had it been in Europe those employers would have already been sent to jail. But then again, we know dhimmmis don't have the same rights as Muslims. And among Muslims, non-Arabs are less than Arabs.

@Palmholder There are actually reports of DPKR "loaning" away those "workers" to Russia and some African countries. If that don't count as slavery, I don't know what else will.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Sithara007 on February 20, 2018, 04:12:42 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.
   What you said is often happens in south eastern Europe (Russia). I know a lot of stories about people been abused same way as you said, but they mostly work at bricks handicraft factories which situated in hidden places.
   Just resently saudi women was allowed to drive a car (just several months ago), can you imagine that? So I am not surprised that slavery exists there. I also consider PDRK as slavery labour camp. A lot of slaves live at our Earth, no doubt

@Sithara that is also very common news from my countrymen. Some maids would even get killed or disabled as they attempt to escape. There was one who jumped off an apartment building. And not to mention the ever present risk of sexual assault. Even being male is no protection. Like I said the current system perpetuates this. Had it been in Europe those employers would have already been sent to jail. But then again, we know dhimmmis don't have the same rights as Muslims. And among Muslims, non-Arabs are less than Arabs.

@Palmholder There are actually reports of DPKR "loaning" away those "workers" to Russia and some African countries. If that don't count as slavery, I don't know what else will.

It's true. I have spoken to some maids who worked in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. They told me that 99% of the maids are raped by their Arab employers on a regular basis, and the Arab females don't have any sympathy for these maids. For the Arabs, any non-Arab is a sub-human.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: kickero0O on February 20, 2018, 04:56:41 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.
   What you said is often happens in south eastern Europe (Russia). I know a lot of stories about people been abused same way as you said, but they mostly work at bricks handicraft factories which situated in hidden places.
   Just resently saudi women was allowed to drive a car (just several months ago), can you imagine that? So I am not surprised that slavery exists there. I also consider PDRK as slavery labour camp. A lot of slaves live at our Earth, no doubt

@Sithara that is also very common news from my countrymen. Some maids would even get killed or disabled as they attempt to escape. There was one who jumped off an apartment building. And not to mention the ever present risk of sexual assault. Even being male is no protection. Like I said the current system perpetuates this. Had it been in Europe those employers would have already been sent to jail. But then again, we know dhimmmis don't have the same rights as Muslims. And among Muslims, non-Arabs are less than Arabs.

@Palmholder There are actually reports of DPKR "loaning" away those "workers" to Russia and some African countries. If that don't count as slavery, I don't know what else will.

It's true. I have spoken to some maids who worked in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. They told me that 99% of the maids are raped by their Arab employers on a regular basis, and the Arab females don't have any sympathy for these maids. For the Arabs, any non-Arab is a sub-human.

Its very sad to hear that, and still  its happening now. Maids are human too that needs respect for their job. They have family being left behind from their home country. They did not go to middle east to be treated that way. I hope those country should be fair to expats and people working in their Kingdom, this is a clear violations of basic human rights. Its unfair.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: hugoworld on February 20, 2018, 08:13:22 AM
Middle East may look like modern society on the outside, but that fails to hide the horrors which are present. I know the story of one of my friends who went to Saudi Arabia. He was promised the job of a pumber, but he ended up in a goat farm. His passport and documents were taken away and he was not allowed to contact home. He was kept in slave-like conditions without any salary or adequate food. He managed to escape after four years of torture, but he told me that there were so many like him in the farms and most of them die there without the knowledge of anyone back home.

I do not agree with you. Most of the middle eastern countries are not modern because of their islamic beliefs . On the other hand, as you have mentioned above , slavery is still happening in those lands. This situation is pretty horrible.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Sithara007 on February 20, 2018, 08:20:18 AM
Its very sad to hear that, and still  its happening now. Maids are human too that needs respect for their job. They have family being left behind from their home country. They did not go to middle east to be treated that way. I hope those country should be fair to expats and people working in their Kingdom, this is a clear violations of basic human rights. Its unfair.

Just wait until these desert nations run out of their petro-dollars. Saudi Arabia is already facing trouble due to the rising unemployment rates. The population is growing at a rate of 3% per year and the government doesn't have enough money to keep everyone happy. May be after 20-30 years, we will see Saudi maids working in the Philippines and Nepal.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: iamlds08 on February 20, 2018, 08:58:16 AM
She left her family in order to provide for the family even though it is against her will to be away from them and now this happens.  I mean, what happened to her was really really terrible, her boss put her body in the fridge after she died and for one long year, her body stayed there. What do you think about these guys? I am really sad right now, I know how hard it is to work in a foreign country. Here's a link:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/02/18/Body-of-slain-OFW-Joanna-Demafelis-arrives-in-Sara-Iloilo.html

slavery is buying a person to please or make slave, i think the term used is not appropriate. she submit herself as an employee and her employer maltreated her. her employer have a criminal mind. do not use slavery in middle east collectively.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Ayam1fish on March 07, 2018, 12:53:08 AM
Slavery still exists in most remote parts of the world.Just recently, there was a documentary on CNN that showed people still trading slaves in Libya. Slavery still exists, just that it is not prominent as it used to be.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: S4roZa on March 07, 2018, 02:54:10 AM
Every year the number of violence and deaths of Female Workers in Saudi Arabia increases. The case of death of migrant workers is the most in Saudi Arabia. The condition of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia resembles slavery and is currently increasing.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Sithara007 on March 07, 2018, 03:50:56 AM
Every year the number of violence and deaths of Female Workers in Saudi Arabia increases. The case of death of migrant workers is the most in Saudi Arabia. The condition of foreign workers in Saudi Arabia resembles slavery and is currently increasing.

It surprises me that people still want to go to nations such as Saudi Arabia, which treats non-Arabs like animals. Somewhere I read that more than 99% of the maids who work there get raped regularly by the employers. The condition of the male workers are no better either. And the salaries are also quite low in that country (if they are paid on time).


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: Affanfaza on March 07, 2018, 04:02:15 AM
She left her family in order to provide for the family even though it is against her will to be away from them and now this happens.  I mean, what happened to her was really really terrible, her boss put her body in the fridge after she died and for one long year, her body stayed there. What do you think about these guys? I am really sad right now, I know how hard it is to work in a foreign country. Here's a link:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/02/18/Body-of-slain-OFW-Joanna-Demafelis-arrives-in-Sara-Iloilo.html

Hi! I want to talk about the situation in the middle east too, many women and children are killed in battle :'( :-[ >:( . Many people are uncomfortable worshiping, even to sleep they are always in tense situations So what should we do as a form of humanity to lighten their burdens and make them feel safe and free??  :'( :'( >:(


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: squog on March 07, 2018, 04:32:02 AM
She left her family in order to provide for the family even though it is against her will to be away from them and now this happens.  I mean, what happened to her was really really terrible, her boss put her body in the fridge after she died and for one long year, her body stayed there. What do you think about these guys? I am really sad right now, I know how hard it is to work in a foreign country. Here's a link:

http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2018/02/18/Body-of-slain-OFW-Joanna-Demafelis-arrives-in-Sara-Iloilo.html

Not just in the middle east but all over the world. Slavery is still rampant and since there are alot of people on this earth making the supply for skilled workers is actually at a surplus, people become expendable since there are always people that will take their place. With that in mind, people often take a dirt cheap salary and take abuse from their "masters" because being unemployed is out of the question. it's sad that people still go through this ordeal.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: cryptojohnstone on March 22, 2018, 05:21:14 PM
There are many modern slaves in the Middle East.


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: HelperAdvisorsLLP on April 04, 2018, 09:48:44 PM
I think to some extent it happens everywhere


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: BitSat on April 04, 2018, 10:36:00 PM
There are many modern slaves in the Middle East.
Its not only in Middle East its exist in Africa and some other parts of world as well but we can say in this area its too much because middle east governments also involve in this too much for sack of their own and mostly peoples in high stakes doing this without any problem in subcontinent is also exist but not widely but many landlords involve with the help of ruling peoples of country


Title: Re: Is slavery still present at this time in the Middle East?
Post by: BADecker on April 05, 2018, 01:55:14 AM
Actually, forced taxation is a form of slavery.    8)