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Title: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Bitware on September 20, 2013, 09:15:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzKjxglNyE

I really like this guy. He get so excited about science like a lot of us do, and he makes a boatload of sense.


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: DobZombie on September 20, 2013, 10:50:24 AM
This guy and Professor Michio Kaku are my faves in the astrophysics community


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: pedrog on September 20, 2013, 01:45:23 PM
This guy and Professor Michio Kaku are my faves in the astrophysics community

Plus Lawrence Krauss.


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Spendulus on September 20, 2013, 04:02:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLzKjxglNyE

I really like this guy. He get so excited about science like a lot of us do, and he makes a boatload of sense.

I am so happy to know that Big Government Believers can try to suck the little people into their happy world not just with Wonders of FuckYou Healthcare, and not just with We'll Keep You Safe Our Way, but also with We'll Take Our Chosen Ones To The Stars (sort of).

I feel much better now.

It all does indeed make a boatload of sense.

:)


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Lethn on September 20, 2013, 04:17:08 PM
Oh I remember that guy :D I saw him on The Daily Show.


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Bitware on September 20, 2013, 05:42:10 PM

I am so happy to know that Big Government Believers can try to suck the little people into their happy world not just with Wonders of FuckYou Healthcare, and not just with We'll Keep You Safe Our Way, but also with We'll Take Our Chosen Ones To The Stars (sort of).


I am not a big government believer, but I *am* a believer in the wise use of resources. As long as they keep stealing our money, I think investments in areas that have historically given us tech that improves our lives is appropriate. Ideally this is done with tariffs and corporate tax.


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Rassah on September 20, 2013, 08:11:15 PM
Ideally this is done with tariffs and corporate tax.


Sorry to interject with a bit of business finance...
But corporate tax is just a tax on investor equity, who all have to pay 15% capital gains tax, anyway (stockholder's returns get taxed at corporation level, and then at personal investment return level). Plus corporate tax liability is typically zero, since if the corporation sees that it will have to pay tax, it will just issue more bonds, and deduct the bond interest paid to shareholders to offset any profits, making their taxable profit zero. In the end, shareholders still get the same investments, whether from stocks or bonds, corporation pays near 0 tax due to bond interest deductions, and the corporation just becomes more risky due to bond/debt obligations.

P.S. this is why corporations rarely pay tax, and why changes in corporate tax rate typically changes the Bond/Stock ratio issued by corporations, instead of actually increasing government tax revenues.

That said, I am TOTALLY for money going into space exploration instead of the crazy amounts of other waste.


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: randomcloud on September 22, 2013, 03:15:12 PM
Investing in using resources from space would solve a lot of our problems here on Earth (and might be one of the few plausible ways to harvest energy without using oil), but try telling that to the Philistines down here.  :-\


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Lethn on September 23, 2013, 10:39:14 AM
Investing in using resources from space would solve a lot of our problems here on Earth (and might be one of the few plausible ways to harvest energy without using oil), but try telling that to the Philistines down here.  :-\

Yeah, they seem to think invading Afghanistan ( Trust me that's the real reason we're there ) is somehow easier than going into space and scooping up an asteroid with twice the amount of precious metals in it.


Title: Re: Dr Neil DeGrasse Tyson: Why We Need MORE Space Program Funding, not less
Post by: Spendulus on September 23, 2013, 11:02:57 AM

I am so happy to know that Big Government Believers can try to suck the little people into their happy world not just with Wonders of FuckYou Healthcare, and not just with We'll Keep You Safe Our Way, but also with We'll Take Our Chosen Ones To The Stars (sort of).


I am not a big government believer, but I *am* a believer in the wise use of resources. As long as they keep stealing our money, I think investments in areas that have historically given us tech that improves our lives is appropriate. Ideally this is done with tariffs and corporate tax.
There should be no way that one can use a phrase like "I am a believer in the wise use of resources" and "I am not a big government believer" in the same sentence.

However, at this time (speaking about the US government here, but others are similar)  about the only goal is to keep the lid on the boiling pot while they spend 1.5% times what they take in and print to make up the difference.  

Any idea that some good could come out of some of the programs offered to keep the little guy from complaining under those constraints is likely  false.

This is a big concept to grasp, the easiest way is to think of proponents of government space basically being proponents of the old 'government - space complex', which is and was a huge system.

By comparison consider private space launches.  Guys are doing a launch with a half dozen notebooks for launch control systems.  We don't need the government space, what we need is for them to get out of the way and stop the bottlenecks and both outright and under the table restrictions to private space.

Since the 1950s, the governments and their major contractors have engineered the bankrupcy of hundreds of small private space startups.