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Title: The Free State Project
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2011, 06:36:16 PM
Are the any other individuals here whom are considering moving to New Hampshire or have already done so in the name of The Free State Project?

This place seems very libertarian, so I wouldn't be surprised.


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: fabianhjr on January 26, 2011, 07:05:32 PM
:/ Dunno, had they adoped Bitcoin as their official currency along gold, silver, and other scarce commodities?

Also, I am underage, so not possible. xD This is the first time I hear about it. Is it a direct democracy? It sounds like so. :D


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2011, 11:45:40 PM
If I was in the US I would already be in New Hampshire.

Did you see one of the latest videos where someone got arrested for wearing a hat the man in robes didnt agree with?
http://ridleyreport.com/video/ridleyreport/2011/jan/caught_tape_angrycop_vs_hat (http://ridleyreport.com/video/ridleyreport/2011/jan/caught_tape_angrycop_vs_hat)


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Anonymous on January 26, 2011, 11:48:02 PM
:/ Dunno, had they adoped Bitcoin as their official currency along gold, silver, and other scarce commodities?

Also, I am underage, so not possible. xD This is the first time I hear about it. Is it a direct democracy? It sounds like so. :D

No its not democracy. Its a movement to get rid of the state completely and setup a voluntary society or at least make government as small as possible.



Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: kiba on January 26, 2011, 11:54:29 PM
Also, I am underage, so not possible. xD This is the first time I hear about it. Is it a direct democracy? It sounds like so. :D

Do you like democracy or something?


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: fabianhjr on January 27, 2011, 12:04:04 AM
I would love a direct democracy. <- The only true democracy.


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: kiba on January 27, 2011, 12:30:46 AM
I would love a direct democracy. <- The only true democracy.

And a direct democracy killed Socrates for corrupting the youth and for not believing in the gods!


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: hugolp on January 27, 2011, 09:10:20 AM
I would love a direct democracy. <- The only true democracy.

?????

I guess you think a true democracy is good. Democracy is the system designed to take away the power from the people while making them think they still have it. Democracy is an authoritarian system.


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: ribuck on January 27, 2011, 10:28:03 AM
Democracy is when three men and two women have a vote, and decide to legalize rape, and the rape victims just have to accept it because the decision was made democratically.

But Direct Democracy is one intellectual step on the journey from "Representative" Democracy to Libertarianism to Voluntarism.


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: caveden on January 27, 2011, 10:30:05 AM
Democracy is just another excuse to control people. A much more elaborate and efficient excuse than "ordered by god", but still, an excuse.
If politicians themselves really believed in democracy ideals, we would already have direct democracy everywhere, since current technology renders it feasible. But I don't know of any direct democracy government anywhere...

I wonder though if direct democracy would have less bad economic incentives than representative democracy. Maybe secession would be easier in such context what would allow for smaller governments... but on the other hand, economic-illiteracy might bring destructive labor laws, regulations and "soak-the-rich" policies...
Does anyone know if somebody has ever wrote a good praxeological comparison between direct and representative democracies?


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Anonymous on January 27, 2011, 02:05:29 PM
>Somebody mentions democracy
>Shitstorm

Why am I not surprised?


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: fabianhjr on January 27, 2011, 02:13:23 PM
Oh please read what a direct democracy is and why it is better than a representative democracy. :/ I believe you misunderstood me.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Direct_democracy (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Direct_democracy)

The other alternative would be a consensus system. What is your opinion?


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: hugolp on January 27, 2011, 02:23:11 PM
Oh please read what a direct democracy is and why it is better than a representative democracy. :/ I believe you misunderstood me.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Direct_democracy (https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Direct_democracy)

The other alternative would be a consensus system. What is your opinion?

Voluntarism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism

I have no problem if a group of people decide to organize themselves in a democratic way, for example a cooperative business. I think its fine and it can work.

But it is very different a voluntary association or organization run by a democratic system, where I can leave the group at any time if I am not happy with how it is managed, than having a democratic system imposed by guns (which is basically a democratic government). A democratic government is soft facisms.


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Local on February 07, 2011, 08:38:51 PM
I am a free stater near Keene. I'll meet anyone who wants to chat or buy or sell.


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Anonymous on February 07, 2011, 08:56:31 PM
I am a free stater near Keene. I'll meet anyone who wants to chat or buy or sell.
I need to talk to you some time. I have a lot of questions.

How's the rent up there?


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Local on February 07, 2011, 10:26:39 PM
I am a free stater near Keene. I'll meet anyone who wants to chat or buy or sell.
I need to talk to you some time. I have a lot of questions.

How's the rent up there?

PM sent


Title: Re: The Free State Project
Post by: Cryptoman on February 08, 2011, 03:43:02 PM
There is also a Southeast Liberty Project which has more or less settled on Tennessee as its home state.  The only web presence they have is on facebook: http://www.facebook.com/southeastlibertyproject.