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Title: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on February 23, 2018, 05:00:16 AM
I purchased a Ledger Nano S, initialized it, wrote down the keys.  I searched for instructions on how to use it.  They say to enter the pin. Did that.  Then start the app.
What app?
I installed the Chrome plug in but there is nothing displayed in my Chrome dialog to start.
I can get to the place to add and remove code for the various types of crypt currencies.
I see nothing that leads to:  What is in my wallet? Or how to put coins in it.
Where are are some good instructions on putting this device to work?


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Nrcewker on February 23, 2018, 05:26:31 AM
1.
CONNECT YOUR LEDGER NANO S
Plug your Nano S with the USB cable on a computer, and follow the instructions on the embedded small screen. You can choose to create a new wallet, or import a Bitcoin account or an Ethereum account. Whatever your selection, you just need to observe the on-screen instructions all along the process, selecting and validating with the two buttons above the display.

2.
CHOOSE A PIN CODE
Choose and memorize your four-digit PIN code that will be requested each time you connect your Nano S. Confirm this PIN code and be careful to remember it: 3 wrong successive PIN codes will reset your Nano S.

3.
BACKUP YOUR RECOVERY PHRASE
Copy on the “Recovery sheet” supplied in the box the 24 words in order of appearance. This step is really important to guarantee you can recover anytime your wallet in case of loss or theft. You won’t be able to finish the configuration without confirming you copied the 24 words by selecting some of them as requested. Keep your “Recovery sheet” in a safe place.

4.
INSTALL LEDGER APPS
Once you’ve seen the mention: “Your device is now ready”, your Nano S is configured. Now you just have to install the Ledger Apps on your computer to use your wallet. In your Chrome or Chromium 50+ browser, download for free the Ledger Wallet Bitcoin Chrome app or the Ledger Wallet Ethereum Chrome app. You’ll find these management interfaces on the Apps page. This apps get installed in few seconds, and the upgrades are free.

5.
YOUR NANO S IS READY TO BE USED
Now you can use your Nano S with your Chrome apps on any computer, even a compromised one, to send or receive payments. Each transaction will be verified on the embedded display, and validated with buttons.

or you may see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RccX3bUpSkI


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bob123 on February 23, 2018, 03:05:37 PM
I installed the Chrome plug in but there is nothing displayed in my Chrome dialog to start.

What exactly did you install? You need the "Ledger Manager" application [1].
This app is used to install applications onto your nano s device.

Additionally you need a wallet software to access your nano s.
To access your BTC wallet you need the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" application [2].


First open the ledger manager app and install wallets onto your nano s.
Afterwards open the chrome wallet application and connect your nano s.
Now you will be able to access/use your wallet.



[1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-manager/beimhnaefocolcplfimocfiaiefpkgbf (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-manager/beimhnaefocolcplfimocfiaiefpkgbf)
[2] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-bitcoin/kkdpmhnladdopljabkgpacgpliggeeaf (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-bitcoin/kkdpmhnladdopljabkgpacgpliggeeaf)


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on February 23, 2018, 09:03:01 PM
I purchased a Ledger Nano S, initialized it, wrote down the keys.  I searched for instructions on how to use it.  They say to enter the pin. Did that.  Then start the app.
What app?
I installed the Chrome plug in but there is nothing displayed in my Chrome dialog to start.
I can get to the place to add and remove code for the various types of crypt currencies.
I see nothing that leads to:  What is in my wallet? Or how to put coins in it.
Where are are some good instructions on putting this device to work?
There are TWO components to using the Ledger Nano S...

First, there are Chrome "Apps" that you need to install (as per bob123's post)... You then access these by going to the list of "Apps" in your browser (chrome://apps/)

Then, there are "wallet apps" that are on your Ledger device itself... once you've connected it and put in your PIN, you'll see a number of "wallet apps" listed on the screen like Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash, Ethereum etc... These are installed/uninstalled using the "Ledger Manager" CHROME app.

Once you have the "wallet apps" installed to the Ledger device, you shut down the Manager... and start the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" CHROME app. It should open up a window saying you need to connect your ledger device.

You then, connect the ledger device, enter your PIN and then select the "wallet app" for the coin you want to use... on the ledger device!


There are a bunch of videos on YouTube that show some of the basics... This one is quite comprehensive (covers everything from initialisation to installing Chrome Apps and wallet apps on device): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjDBz1Fs7JE


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on February 28, 2018, 04:52:17 AM
I replied to this thread but my post did not appear, probably I did something wrong.

This is not working well and there is too much to describe.  Making it simple.
I open the link from Bob123 in a new tab and it has Launch App.  Click that. It opens the app that displays:

To begin connect your Ledger Wallet. 

It is connected, my pin entered, pin accepted, and there it sits.

The Ledger displays:  “Use wallet to view accounts”  Pressing both buttons does nothing.  Pressing left button did nothing.  Pressing right button scrolled through: Settings, About, and Quit App.

Meanwhile the screen on my computer does nothing.

Open the second link from Bob123 in a new tab.  It opens a page with a popup named Ledger Wallet bitcoin with a Launch App button.  It changed the screen the show what looks like a dozen more apps I can install.  After a few more clicks I get to the same app that again displays:
To begin, connect your Ledge Wallet.

I tried that Youtube video but was going quite slow and only a few minutes in it broke to a long commercial. 


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on February 28, 2018, 06:07:05 AM
This is not working well and there is too much to describe.  Making it simple.
I open the link from Bob123 in a new tab and it has Launch App.  Click that. It opens the app that displays:

To begin connect your Ledger Wallet. 
So far, so good... this is the "waiting" state of "Ledger Manager" CHROME app (you use this app for installing/removing wallets on the device.)

Quote
It is connected, my pin entered, pin accepted, and there it sits.

The Ledger displays:  “Use wallet to view accounts”  Pressing both buttons does nothing.  Pressing left button did nothing.  Pressing right button scrolled through: Settings, About, and Quit App.

Meanwhile the screen on my computer does nothing.
If you see "Use Wallet to view accounts", then you have "opened" one of the wallet apps on the device and that means you have gone one step too far on the Ledger Device for the "Ledger Manager" CHROME APP to work...

Scroll to "Quit App" and select it by pressing both buttons. It should exit back to the list of wallet apps you have installed... and you should get to the screen with all the wallet apps you can install/remove. This is ONLY needed if you need/want to change which wallet apps (aka COINS) you want to use with your device.

If you are happy with the list of coins available (as displayed on the Ledger Device), then shut down Ledger Manager... and disconnect your Ledger Device... then do the following steps:

1. Click here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-bitcoin/kkdpmhnladdopljabkgpacgpliggeeaf
2. Click the "Launch App" button
3. You will see the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" screen that says "To begin, connect and unlock your Ledger Wallet":
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zpsAa.png

4. Connect your Ledger device via USB
5. Enter your PIN
6. Scroll to "Bitcoin" on the Ledger Device:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zp3Eo.jpeg

7. Select "Bitcoin" by clicking both buttons on the Ledger device. Device will say "Use wallet to view accounts":
8. Ledger Wallet Bitcoin (on computer screen) should prompt you for "Bitcoin" or "Bitcoin Cash", select "Bitcoin":
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zpk5T.png

9. Ledger Wallet Bitcoin should prompt you to select "Legacy" or "SegWit":
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zpY2l.png

10. Make your choice (I'd suggest "SegWit", unless you have a good reason to stick with Legacy) and your wallet should start to "Sync":
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zpfR1.png


11. After a brief wait, your new (empty) wallet should open up:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zpy1m.png



Quote
I tried that Youtube video but was going quite slow and only a few minutes in it broke to a long commercial. 
Install an ad blocker :P

Or maybe try searching YouTube for other videos on Nano S? ::)


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Adriano2010 on February 28, 2018, 03:15:44 PM
I have a question about ledger nano transaction. Example: i will configure ledger nano and create a new wallet and i send bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano , i click confirm that i accept transaction. Now if i want to send again bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano do i need to connect every time ledger nano to computer to confirm that i accept transaction or not?

I don't have yet a ledger nano s but i want to buy.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: edhp on February 28, 2018, 03:25:41 PM
I have a question about ledger nano transaction. Example: i will configure ledger nano and create a new wallet and i send bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano , i click confirm that i accept transaction. Now if i want to send again bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano do i need to connect every time ledger nano to computer to confirm that i accept transaction or not?

I don't have yet a ledger nano s but i want to buy.

if you know the address, you don't have to be connected to receive btc in your nano ledger address.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Adriano2010 on February 28, 2018, 03:31:58 PM
I have a question about ledger nano transaction. Example: i will configure ledger nano and create a new wallet and i send bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano , i click confirm that i accept transaction. Now if i want to send again bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano do i need to connect every time ledger nano to computer to confirm that i accept transaction or not?

I don't have yet a ledger nano s but i want to buy.

if you know the address, you don't have to be connected to receive btc in your nano ledger address.

Thanks for answer. I will buy one and if i don't know something i will ask here.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bob123 on February 28, 2018, 04:47:54 PM
I have a question about ledger nano transaction. Example: i will configure ledger nano and create a new wallet and i send bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano , i click confirm that i accept transaction. Now if i want to send again bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano do i need to connect every time ledger nano to computer to confirm that i accept transaction or not?

You don't really have to confirm an incoming transaction.
What you refere to is (probably) the verify procedure of your displayed 'receive' address.
This step is necessary to make sure no malware is 'manipulating' the screen.
If you confirm the two addresses (computer screen + on nano s) are the same (with pressing the button), you can be sure this address has been really generated by your nano s device.
You will have to confirm every newly generated address to make sure its properly generated by your nano s.

Additionally you have to confirm outgoing transactions.
But you don't have to confirm/accept transactions. Just verify your receive-address, give it to someone and receive coins.



Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Rath_ on February 28, 2018, 07:32:06 PM
Thanks for answer. I will buy one and if i don't know something i will ask here.

Why do you want to buy Ledger Nano S? Is it because of huge altcoin support? I have owned Ledger and had some connectivity problems recently. Unlike Trezor, you are not able to connect to other Bitcoin node which means that if their infrastructure is overloaded, you won't be able to use their dedicated app (although Electrum should work fine).

Now if i want to send again bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano do i need to connect every time ledger nano to computer to confirm that i accept transaction or not?

Nobody has mentioned that you don't have to accept incoming transaction because everything is done on blockchain. Ledger is only responsible for storing your private keys which are later used to prove that you are the owner of certain address. Someone sends a transaction, miners confirm it and you can finally spend it whenever you become online.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Adriano2010 on February 28, 2018, 11:27:39 PM
Thanks for answer. I will buy one and if i don't know something i will ask here.

Why do you want to buy Ledger Nano S? Is it because of huge altcoin support? I have owned Ledger and had some connectivity problems recently. Unlike Trezor, you are not able to connect to other Bitcoin node which means that if their infrastructure is overloaded, you won't be able to use their dedicated app (although Electrum should work fine).

Now if i want to send again bitcoin to address i get from ledger nano do i need to connect every time ledger nano to computer to confirm that i accept transaction or not?

Nobody has mentioned that you don't have to accept incoming transaction because everything is done on blockchain. Ledger is only responsible for storing your private keys which are later used to prove that you are the owner of certain address. Someone sends a transaction, miners confirm it and you can finally spend it whenever you become online.

I will use ledger nano for bitcoin but also for Ethereum and  Litecoin. You mean that ledger nano s is connected to a single Bitcoin node?

I didn't know that but i will not use everyday the hardware wallet , i will use it to store large sums of bitcoin and others altcoins.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Rath_ on March 01, 2018, 05:09:49 PM
I will use ledger nano for bitcoin but also for Ethereum and  Litecoin. You mean that ledger nano s is connected to a single Bitcoin node?

I didn't know that but i will not use everyday the hardware wallet , i will use it to store large sums of bitcoin and others altcoins.

What I meant was that if you want to use dedicated Chrome app with your Ledger Nano S created by Ledger Team, you won't be able to use your own node for Bitcoin and altcoins. This is a huge drawback because their servers could become overloaded - it actually happened in the past and that was one of the reasons why I sold my Ledger Nano S. If you are going to store only Bitcoin, Ethereum and Litecoin then Trezor would be a great choice. It doesn't support as many altcoins as Ledger but its support is definitely great.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bob123 on March 01, 2018, 07:10:31 PM
Nobody has mentioned that you don't have to accept incoming transaction because everything is done on blockchain.

Did you read the thread?
You don't really have to confirm an incoming transaction.



Ledger is only responsible for storing your private keys which are later used to prove that you are the owner of certain address.

I'd like to clarify this.
Ledger is a company. They are not responsible for storing any private keys. Ledger built the nano s (hardware wallet).
The private keys are stored on the device itself. Completely independent from ledger.
Additionally private keys arent used to prove the ownership of addresses.. they are used to sign transactions (UTXO's from the corresponding public key).



Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Adriano2010 on March 07, 2018, 12:56:04 AM
Is there a possibility to set a passphrase on main PIN on ledger nano s?

https://support.ledgerwallet.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005214529-Advanced-Passphrase-options


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 07, 2018, 02:52:42 AM
Is there a possibility to set a passphrase on main PIN on ledger nano s?

https://support.ledgerwallet.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005214529-Advanced-Passphrase-options
In a word... No.

If you use the "Passphrase attached to PIN" option, you can only have TWO Pins, the "main" PIN and the 2nd PIN... and you can only assign a passphrase to the 2nd PIN. In effect this means that your Main PIN = Blank Passphrase, and 2nd PIN = Y0uR5uP3r53Cr3tP@55Phr@53

If you don't use the "Passphrase attached to PIN" option, you can have multiple passphrases (and multiple "hidden" wallets)... but then you have to enter them manually (which can be quite tedious on the Ledger)


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on March 11, 2018, 03:27:50 AM

HCP wrote, in part, on 28 Feb:
1.   Click here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-bitcoin/kkdpmhnladdopljabkgpacgpliggeeaf
2. Click the "Launch App" button
3. You will see the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" screen that says "To begin, connect and unlock your Ledger Wallet":

Did 1, then for 2: When I click Launch App it opens a full screen display that states:
To begin, connect and unlock your Ledger Wallet.

It already is unlocked.  Ok, so unplug.  Windows plays the short few news saying a USB device was disconnected.  Plug it in and enter the PIN. After entering the PIN Windows plays a few notes indicating a USB device was connected.  Then nothing.
The Ledger is displaying Ethereum.  I can press the right button and toggle between Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, and Ripple. 
The computer screen does not change at all.
What might I do different?


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 11, 2018, 04:12:46 AM
You device needs to be connected, unlocked AND you also need to select one of the "coins" on your ledger device...

You say you have Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin and Ripple... so assuming you want to use BTC, use the left/right buttons to scroll through the list until "Bitcoin" is highlighted... and then "select" it by pushing both buttons at the same time:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zbOPm.jpeg


Once you select it, you should see:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zbWjW.png


And the "Ledger Bitcoin Wallet" chrome app on your screen should ask if you want Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zbeOJ.png


Make your choices, as appropriate, and then it will change to say:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zb0CC.png


and after a short wait, your wallet will open up and you can see your account(s) and balances and send/receive etc.




Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on March 11, 2018, 06:38:03 PM


Hello HCP,
Yes, I followed your instructions and achieved access.

I see you put quite a bit of effort into explaining very carefully and even posting pictures.  I thank you very much for your time and even more for the patience you have shown me.

Thank you very much for your time and patience.

Edit:
I managed to get myself in another loop that I cannot escape.  The app said there is a mandatory update so I attempted that.  Making this short, when I connect my Ledger with the app running, Leger tells me about the mandatory update and instructs me to hold the button next to the USB cable for five seconds.  I do that with no result.  There is no opportunity to enter the PIN.  I have unplugged it a few times, waited a minute, then tried again with the same results.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 11, 2018, 09:36:04 PM
To put it into "update mode", you need uplug the device, then hold down the button (closest to the USB port) WHILE you plug the device in... count to 5 (still holding the button down)... then let the button go.

You should see it say "bootloader" (or possibly "update" if you don't have the latest firmware)

NOTE: do not have the "Ledger Bitcoin Wallet" chrome app open... you want to have the "Ledger Manager" chrome app open and waiting at the "To begin, connect your Ledger Wallet" screen.

You might also want to check this: https://youtu.be/pfuOWilWbVc?t=1m46s


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on March 23, 2018, 02:36:05 AM
I discovered that when I launch the app from a desktop icon it will not work.  So I visited the Ledger site, launched the App from there, and performed the firmware update.  Now I can get to the page to install or removed the apps for the various types of crypto coins.  The only active buttons are to install and remove those apps. 
Looking at the app, the FIRMWARES button says I already have the latest version.  The APPLICATIONS repaints the screen very quickly, and no other button does anything.

Scroll the Ledger screen to show LiteCoin and press both button.  The computer beeps and displays the screen with instructions:  To begin, connect your Ledger Wallet.
It already was connected and the pin accepted.
Ok, disconnect and enter the pin again
Do that, scroll to Ethereum display and press both buttons.
The Ledger is scrolling:  vires in numeris
Strength in numbers.  Ok, cool.  Now how do I get it to communicate with the app?


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bob123 on March 23, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Now I can get to the page to install or removed the apps for the various types of crypto coins.  The only active buttons are to install and remove those apps. 
~snip~
Scroll the Ledger screen to show LiteCoin and press both button.  The computer beeps and displays the screen with instructions:  To begin, connect your Ledger Wallet.
It already was connected and the pin accepted.
Ok, disconnect and enter the pin again
Do that, scroll to Ethereum display and press both buttons.
The Ledger is scrolling:  vires in numeris
Strength in numbers.  Ok, cool.  Now how do I get it to communicate with the app?

Thats the Ledger manager application (required for updating your nano s and installing applications onto your nano s).

You further need to open a wallet app to access your cryptos. If you want to open your ETH wallet you have to either
1) open the native ETH wallet from ledger [1] or
2) use a 3rd party wallet to access your coins via the ledger (e.g. MyEtherWallet) [2].

Generally you have to follow this to access your coins:
  • Open the wallet application on your PC and wait for the 'To begin, connect your ledger wallet' screen
  • Plug in the nano s using the cable it got delivered with (or any other cable which does have pins for data transfers; i.e. not power-only cables)
  • Open the crypto application on your nano s
  • Enjoy accessing your cryptos safely

Did you try those steps in this order?


[1] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-ethereum/hmlhkialjkaldndjnlcdfdphcgeadkkm (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-ethereum/hmlhkialjkaldndjnlcdfdphcgeadkkm)
[2] https://www.myetherwallet.com/ (https://www.myetherwallet.com/)



Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 23, 2018, 10:30:52 PM
The Ledger is scrolling:  vires in numeris
Strength in numbers.  Ok, cool.  Now how do I get it to communicate with the app?
It won't communicate with the Chrome WebApp while that message is scrolling... that means it has "timed out" and you'll need to press both buttons and re-enter your PIN code to unlock the Ledger Nano S Device.

As bob123 said... there are TWO components that you need to access your wallet...

1. The Chrome WebApp called "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" or "Ledger Wallet Ethereum" - These are the actual "wallet" applications
2. The "coin" app on the Ledger Nano S - This is basically a "coin" selector and these "apps" are installed to your device using the Ledger Manager (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-manager/beimhnaefocolcplfimocfiaiefpkgbf) which you already seem to have installed

The Chrome WebApp for Bitcoin (and other similar crypto like DOGE, LTC, BCH etc) is here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-bitcoin/kkdpmhnladdopljabkgpacgpliggeeaf
The Chrome WebApp for Ethereum is here: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ledger-wallet-ethereum/hmlhkialjkaldndjnlcdfdphcgeadkkm

It's also possible to use MyEtherWallet.com or MyCrypto.com for accessing Ethereum.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on March 24, 2018, 01:25:54 AM
Hello HCP,
I don’t know where (!!!!) or how  (!!!!)  you found those sites.   The first time I tried it, it worked.  Then I copied and pasted into a word document and Control click took me to a page to Power up Chrome.  I tried that several times and got the same results.  Saved it in Chrome bookmarks and it works.

I am not a complete idiot so I wonder why getting my Ledger working is so difficult.  I am running Windows 10 with Chrome browser.  I can only access my ledger with your really strange link that I cannot find my way to at all.  When I go to the Ledger web site I don’t find any links to just start the app.  I can only get there by going through the install procedure then launch the app.

I really want to get my coins off the public sites and into my off line wallet.  But if it is this hard, am I going to wind up with them completely inaccessible?  That worries me.
I am having the same type of problem with my Trezor.  So the problem must be me.  I just cannot see what I keep doing wrong that is making this so difficult.

In closing, I really appreciate and am grateful for the time you have spent in replying to me.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 24, 2018, 01:48:28 AM
For the record, the main link to the wallets is here: https://www.ledgerwallet.com/apps


As for launching them, if you have "installed" those chrome apps from the Chrome Store, you should be able to goto the Chrome "Apps" tab and see them. If you don't see the "Apps" button on your bookmarks bar:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zbBvN.png

Then you can copy/paste this into Chrome:
Code:
chrome://apps/ 
Unfortunately, I can't make it a clickable link as for some reason the forum software is removing the : :-\

You should then see something like this:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zbgia.png



Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bkelly7769 on March 26, 2018, 01:36:20 AM
Hello HCP,
I think I am making progress.  I got the long number from my Ledger for Ethereum, then logged in to Coinbase and sent some coin to that number.  I went back to my ledger and logged in.  Nothing so far.  How do I tell Chrome or what ever to go out on the internet somewhere and find that transaction I sent?


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: Lucius on March 26, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
Hello HCP,
I think I am making progress.  I got the long number from my Ledger for Ethereum, then logged in to Coinbase and sent some coin to that number.  I went back to my ledger and logged in.  Nothing so far.  How do I tell Chrome or what ever to go out on the internet somewhere and find that transaction I sent?


I think you have some basic lack of understanding how Ledger Nano S or Trezor work.It is actually very simple,you need your device(Ledger) and in Chrome you need :

- Ledger Manager (For add/remove apps to your Ledger Nano S)
- Ledger Wallet Bitcoin (For access apps on your Ledger,wallets for BTC,DOGE,LTC...)
- Ledger Wallet Ethereum (For access your ETH wallet on Ledger Nano S)

Then just open Chrome and click on Apps tab(HCP is posted picture for that).Then if you want to access ETH wallet on Ledger first conntect Ledger with your PC,enter PIN and choose ETH app on your Ledger.After that click on Ledger Wallet Ethereum (on Chrome) and you should be connected and see your ETH wallet with all options(send/receive tab,transactions...)

That long number which you mention should be ETH receiving address,and if(when) Coinbase is send that coins you will see them in your transaction history(in Ledger Wallet Ethereum).

To prevent to see message “Vires in Numeris” and turn off auto-lock mode go to Settings - Security - Auto-lock - Off.This will prevent Ledger to auto-lock device so you will not need to enter your PIN too many times.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bob123 on March 26, 2018, 11:25:04 AM
I got the long number from my Ledger for Ethereum, then logged in to Coinbase and sent some coin to that number. 

The 'long number' is called address.



I went back to my ledger and logged in.  Nothing so far. 

Are you sure you have pasted the right address?
And are you sure the transaction already has taken place? Did you get a transaction ID?



How do I tell Chrome or what ever to go out on the internet somewhere and find that transaction I sent?

You don't have to tell chrome (its not chrome; its the ledger eth app) to 'search' your transaction.
It will appear as soon as the node from ledger has seen it.


To make sure the transaction already was sent, visit a blockchain explorer (e.g. https://etherscan.io/ (https://etherscan.io/)) and paste your long number address into the field at the top right corner.
Then what does the explorer say? Did this address receive a transaction?

If not: Then either coinbase didnt sent your TX yet or you somehow mixed up the address
If it does show the transaction: Then the ledger wallet seems to have connectivity problems at the moment.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: vlom on March 28, 2018, 06:44:55 PM
i hope my questions suits here. i dont want to start a new topic.

is it possible to show the amount of BTC in the wallet a specific time e.g. 31 December 2017?
all is can see are the transactions and the total amount of btc in the wallet.

thank you.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 29, 2018, 01:31:19 AM
If you connect your Ledger to Electrum ("File -> New\Restore -> Standard Wallet -> Use a hardware device" or create a watching-only wallet from the Ledger "xpub" using "File -> New\Restore -> Standard Wallet -> use a master key")... you will be able to see the "running balance" after each transaction in the "History" tab:
https://talkimg.com/images/2023/11/15/zb9n9.png


There is no way to do it in the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" Chrome webapp... you'd need to manually calculate the running balance by tallying up the value of each individual transaction. NOTE: click on the Account (under "Quick Look" heading), then click "Show All Operations" to see your full transaction history for a specific account.



Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: vlom on March 29, 2018, 05:14:57 PM
thank you very much. it worked. i need this because of tax things.

@those who want to do it too. you have to unlock the HW-wallet by entering PW. and after that you need the start the BTC app at the wallat.

what i was not able to do is the read only mode. what is this "xpub" thing?

and now i have a encrypted wallet.dat. decrypting it only works with the ledger? i could not chose a pw.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 30, 2018, 04:06:43 AM
what i was not able to do is the read only mode. what is this "xpub" thing?
xpub = Master Public Key. Can be used to generate addresses, but does NOT (and can not be used to) generate private keys. So, if "compromised", will only degrade your privacy (someone could see all your balances/transactions), but it does not degrade your security... as no-one could steal the coins.

To export the "xpub" from Ledger... load up the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" in Chrome, connect your ledger device, enter PIN, select Bitcoin app on device. Then in the Chrome webapp click on the account (listed under "Quick View") then "Account Settings" and "Export" (next to "Extended Public Key")... you'll get an "Xpub".

NOTE: This "xpub" won't work with "SegWit" wallets... as Electrum wants a "ypub" or "zpub" for SegWit Wallets

If you are using the SegWit chain on your Ledger, you can get the "ypub" from Electrum:
- Import your Ledger SegWit wallet into Electrum. (File -> New\Restore -> Standard Wallet -> Use hardware device -> Connect/Unlock your Ledger device -> set Derivation Path to m/49'/0'/0')
- Look at the "Wallet -> Information", you will see you actually get a "ypub" and not an "xpub".


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and now i have a encrypted wallet.dat. decrypting it only works with the ledger? i could not chose a pw.
That is a design choice by the Electrum devs... if you want to have an encrypted Electrum wallet when using Hardware Wallets, you don't use a password to unlock it, you use the device.

If you would rather use a password, then you could setup a "watching only" wallet, using the "xpub/ypub" to generate the addresses as above... but you'll never be able to send coins from it as the wallet does NOT contain private keys and you can not "connect" it to the hardware wallet to confirm transactions etc.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: vlom on March 30, 2018, 05:54:57 AM
thank you again. i will test the read only thing.
a last question: so it is not a problem that i have the new wallet.dat created by using the ledger? or is the setup now less secure?

and what i have to mention too is that there i am happy that there are some spots left in this forum where you can find help. postings with content and not just signature camp. posts.

yes i have a paid sig too. but i like byteball that why i am participating.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: HCP on March 30, 2018, 06:03:59 AM
The wallet file that was created ONLY contains your xpub... as I stated, the worst that can happen is that your privacy is compromised as someone could see your transactions/balances etc... but there is no way for them to get your coins as the private keys never leave the Ledger.


Title: Re: Ledger Nano basic use
Post by: bob123 on March 30, 2018, 06:04:43 AM
a last question: so it is not a problem that i have the new wallet.dat created by using the ledger? or is the setup now less secure?

Its not a problem to create an electrum wallet (not wallet.dat) with the ledger nano s.
And its also not less secure because your private keys never leave your hardware wallet.

Without physical access to your nano s (or your backup seed), an attacker wouldn't be able to steal any coins from you,
regardless of wether he has access to your pc or not.