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I promise Never to buy anything Again from BFL!! DO YOU  ???

Lets see how many Promises we can get ???


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+1

I still have night mares of Dave telling me "2 more weeks"... I think that was a planned strategy.. If they would have told me in January that it would be more than a month, I would have asked for a refund, but I kept getting "2 more weeks". Ive waited this long, whats two more weeks, right? The whole thing just makes me sick and the potential profits that were lost are staggering... Those that weren't on the "favorite" list, (I think we all know who a few of them are) got totally screwed. Im surprised I haven't seen more "lets sue bfl" threads. Most of the ones i've seen don't seem to be serious. you would think that a class action suit is coming their way..

They will still get a lot of unsuspecting customers because they don't know the whole story, and even if they do, they will rationalize it as it not being as bad as it was. Maybe we should get donations and put together a anti-bfl campaign. Not defame them, but to just tell the truth..  That line, "honest Abe, we will deliver in October"  oh lord, all I can do is laugh now..

won't even redeem my chip credits

and I'm a lucky one that may...just...make back my investment

too many lies, too much rudeness, no, never again

hope too many promises came in few days here for this cause

Actions speak louder as I always say.

is this the same promise that BFL make that what you purchase is not a final product.. but a position in a waiting list?

... where the product may have half the advertised spec, and must be delivered (in two more weeks™) at double the quantity, and not at the same time, to match your ordered hashrate.

Thanks for your comments and Promises  8)

Lets show BFL WHY Customer Service should be Priority and breaking promises after promises will allow BFL customer to take legal actions .
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Please post more comments and commit never again to buy from BFL!  ;D 8)
I am 100% sure BFL CEO will look at any BFL Posts  ;D

You can count me in for a class action lawsuit... What adds insult to injury, they shipped my last (thank god) order the slowest way possible. It should have been sent fedex overnight but it was shipped ground.. I lost a lot of coins, but they dont even respond to emails or phone calls.
So, since I have all of my equipment in, Im all for a class action lawsuit.. We need to do it fast before they file bankruptcy and move their assets.. They are convicted criminals for hells sakes, they have a running plan in mind, im sure.. Also, Its pretty obvious that they were mining when the shortboards came in, if not before.. think about it, If you had thousands of asic chips sitting around, wouldnt you get them going and basically print money? To think that they didn't is not logical. They can come here all day long and say that they didn't mine, but it doesn't make sense that they didn't.. My money is on that they mined off site, just in case visitors came a calling.. but Im sure some machines were hashing away in march when the dificulty was well below 10m. a single back then made them tens of thousands a month..I dont even want to figure out how much a mini rig was making back then. Its probably in the hundreds of thousands since they probably had more than one machine going.

We need to get organized and actually do something.. Im all for not sitting around.. lets sue these guys.. I have plenty of email correspondence that they promised that they would be delivering by october, I even have a recorded phone call that basically says the same.... Im sure if we pooled our resources and evidence, we will win. But time is of the essence.. We need to get going on this now..... ANyone interested?  

(Ill never forget one of my first converstions with jody, she told me how they now have credibility since they were shipping the fpga's and that they will over deliver and under promise)

We cant let these guys just get away with this... If we pool our resources, Im sure we could put up a good fight...

Get the pitchforks!  Get the torches!  To the gates, fellows!  To the gates!

I'm glad you think this is funny.  People who ordered in January or February will NEVER see ROI on their purchase now.

Don't forget your hats!

https://i.imgur.com/M0Y1w9k.jpg

What a cunt.

 8)  ;D what did I tell ya All :) 100% sure BFL WILL READ!
I guess he is promising to never buy anything else from his own company to- hahaha - did u get Ur jalapeño a year later Inaba:?)

Wow, I cant believe it!!! You just changed my mind, I think ill go ahead and order a few monarchs, cant wait til they get here in January... Nahhh,  I think ill wait until someone has a working product before i pay tens of thousands of dollars this time... I think its kind of ironic that I thought BFL was the only legit asic producer last year and I really thought that asicminer was the company to stay away from.. boy, did I miss that one by a million miles.......

I'll spare you my hindsight, although I did stay away from BFL because of their history...

You should definitely sue them. They totaly deserve it for their attitude alone.

There's some things you should know:

1. It's called a class action or a class suit. The "class action lawsuit" nonsense that you hear on the TV all the time is like saying "frozen ice". Shit like this makes no difference in real life, but it's vital when dealing with legal stuff. The term itself is not important, but you need the correct mindset that cares about things like this. A sloppy lawsuit will only cost you time and money.

2. Focus on stuff you can prove. Broken promises, delays, etc... If you can't prove that they were using your equipment to mine instead of shipping it to you, don't even mention it in court. They will score points if you present unprovable claims.

3. It's your responsibility to prove their guilt, responsibility, mal intet, etc...

4. Be honest. Don't bullshit a bullshitter! Make it absolutely clear that your sole motivation was greed. Greed fueled by their false promises. Make it clear you would have cut you losses earlier had they been even lightyears close to honest about actual delivery dates. Greed is what keeps the economy going. Especialy the Bitcoin economy.

5. Get some people that did the FPGA trade-in onboad of the class suit. They were the ones that were royaly "attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis". They WERE making decent money and got convinced to trade it in for sometnig that will never make ROI.

By the way, let's give the newbies reading this thread and wondering what the hell's going on a little context. The author of the above snark, Inaba, is BFL's public relations guy. That should tell you all you need to know about the level of professionalism, integrity and good judgement of the key BFL personnel. But if you need a little more help, have a quick search around the forum (and the rest of the web) on 'Sonny Vleisides'. (That's not this guy, this one's Josh Zerlan. But hey google him too if you like)

I dont know, they have a new pretty sweet looking deal: ;)
http://www.butterflylabs.com/monarch/

It's DEEP over there at bfl.

Never again will I believe "in 2 weeks".

I would buy if they shipped in 1 week though...

IF bfl does deliver the first tape out on time, then its a good deal, but by january we will see competition much cheaper, i think.. I have always had respect for gigavps, but I was disappointed when I saw this ad on their webs site, along with his cute picture


"As a fairly early Bitcoin adopter and institutional miner, the choice for mining hardware comes down to innovation. Who is going to have the experience and best technology going forward to keep me ahead of the curve? The fact that BFL has a proven chip design, combined with their innovations in form factor and node size means that they will be hard to beat moving forward."
James Gibson - GigaVPS

Now, we know why he got his mini rig weeks before anyone else did....Not his fault, he was playing their game. but of course he hes going to say that, so he can keep getting his sweet back door deals from BFL.... Like I said, im not dogging gigavps one bit, BFL is the one to blame. If I was in Gigavps' place, I would do the same, especially if I can get the equipment before anyone else...

One of the biggest beefs that I have with BFL is when the order was placed last june/july of 2012, I wanted to get the fpga and then do a trade in, they wouldnt do it becuase they were shipping in october and the asics would be done by then. I pleaded with them to ship the fpgas out and let me upgrade when they do have the asics in... they wouldnt do it.. that alone, I figured I lost hundreds, if not thousands of  bitcoins.. Ill have to crunch the numbers. Remember, this is when the block reward was 50.... If they would have been honest when they got their first tape run and found out that they burned up, they should have told us it would be at least 6 months before they would ship. I would have got a refund, asap.. By the time may came around, shipping was close, so, why give up in may since I put up with their  "2 weeks" lie for months? They should have been honest.

You are right, if you dont have proof about something, dont bring it up, but I believe there is proof out there that they were mining with the machines. im sure we will find it.. an ex employee or some other proof...

Nice of you to show just how little you care about upset customers, and that you feel sarcasm and further insults are ok instead of humility and apologies. One would almost say you are gloating

For those unfamiliar with BFL, here is a video of inaba aka Josh exactly one year ago:

http://youtu.be/bT-smMzg54k

one snippet on the asics: 'when you order it overnight, you will get it the next day. Not the next week, not in three months, the next day".

One should note, statements like that are not promises. Its only a promise if josh holds his two pinkies. YOu can clearly see he is not doing that, so its just a fable.
the "Not the next week, not in three months"  turned out to be accurate. It took more than a year.

Good stuff

http://youtu.be/bT-smMzg54k

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http://imgur.com/qfAN3bs.jpg

*sigh* will these threads EVER die?

Maybe they should give BFL their own section... TBH, Since Im not waiting for anything from BFL anymore, I kind of feel relieved...Didn't work out like I thought, but im glad its over with.. Maybe its not worth starting a lawsuit.. It would just cause my blood pressure to rise.. Ill probably just let it die and warn others when I have the chance...

Maybe if you stop posting Gox threads, other people will stop posting BFL threads..

hahahah, okay, okay, you got me there. Good one. :-)

the incredible story of BFL will come to an end next year. I cannot imagine they really have a chance to survive.

Can I promise even if I haven't purchased anything?

Just as personal reminder... :)

sure! the more the better  8)

Here we go:

I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs!!!

PS: Shouldn't we use PGP/GPG for this type of promises?  ;D

I´ll also never order again! Very seldom I´ve seen such a bad business behaviour considering so many aspects!

First there where the rumours about that BFL will never deliver at the beginning of the year. So I´ve ordered when they started shipping at the end of April or the Beginning of May, because I thought they would be starting manufacturing big time but this...
And now? They´re actually producing orders from the first days of February. It´s a shame that there where so little information from the beginning i.e. what´s your place in the queue, how long will it roughly take till your product is produced, no real buying contract and no copy of it, etc.



I´ve got one question about US laws. Here in Germany, almost waiting a 1/2 year or I will probably need to wait almost 1 year, if it goes on like this would be enough to legally be able to cancel the buying contract and will get your money back. Is it the same in the US? These asses from BFL said there´s no way to get the money back.

Thanks for any helpful answer considering my question above!

You mean the "Tape out August 2013" that was due a month ago but doesn't appear to have happened?

I swear, are there kids on these forums or just some creepy old dudes who like girly ponies?

Seriously...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bronies

I'm not one, just letting you know what they are.

No need to waste that much effort.

1. Don't buy BFL.
2. See #1 repeat.
3. BFL folds.

Problem is solved.

Go sit on a dick and spin for TWO WEEKS.

Funny, Got nothing say i've been proven right about you been a silver spoon fed only child with no friends, Thjats why your such a cold hearted spunk bubble & that KnC, WOULD DELIVER because ORSOC are no 2 bit son artists like you and you crew!

Sorry, what was that josh........

Bitcoin conference in london we saw you and called you there, It's just obvious in your persona that your a complete twat.

I know your not stupid, Con artists are not that! YOur just Scum, Go hang yourself and do the world a favour!

PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE AS BAD AS THE POWERS THAT BE! BE WARNED!

BFL hasn't missed their target. Eternal September feeds those mofos.

Ah yes the 1st of October has arrived.

But what hasn't arrived Josh?

Answer: "Most" of your customers orders.

How does it feel to be circling the drain?

Count me in: I promise Never to buy anything Again from BFL!!

With the difficulty rising as quickly as it is right now, buying any ASIC is a huge risk.

Assuming 30 % increment per adjustment, BFL would have to deliver their Monarchs in the first half of November or they become unprofitable. Even the most delusional BFL shill should know that this won't happen...

I still don't have my Jalepeno.  My KNC Jupiter I ordered a month ago is going to beat my Jalepeno I ordered almost 6 months ago.

F them and feed them beans, you don't keep doing business with people who screw you over.  BFL may not have violated any legal agreement, but they pissed off all of their future customers, which means no more business in the future.

I dont know, there recent deal sounds pretty good. ;)

This is why I prefer to only deal with companies based within the EU as I find that those in the US mess around their customers too much (what about breaching customers privacy by complying with PRISM for info they store with those companies or scam artists like BFL?) and therefore untrustworthy.The way I see it is the more you regulate the less problems you will face (as there is less oppourtunity to scam people and those who resist regulation of any kind are just incompetent/rude)

Why don't you sue them?

how?

STILL advertising on these forums!

STOP THEM FROM BEING ALLOWED T ADVERTISE ON HERE FFS!

We need more promises'  ;D 8)

Yes!  More promises!  Irrationality and empty threats are the lifeblood of Bitcointalk.  Without them, the forum would wither!

Keep talking fuckface.

go back to work, please!

below you can watch an example where it seems your processes within the company you worked for are not much optimised. the customer lost money! please optimizes your processes. you are the COO (http://www.butterflylabs.com/management-view/josh-zerlan-3/), right?


EDIT: the forum user is rechable via PM and so your are able to get his identity to identify his order in your order system to fix the fault for delivery 2/3 and 3/3. that is what I would call serious business!

terrible! what is going on in the company you worked for, COO (http://www.butterflylabs.com/management-view/josh-zerlan-3/)!?! same procedure here. hurry up!

Why did you buy something in the first place?

you don't know the history of ASIC's? BFL was the first which announced ASIC's. Guess they had a wet dream somehow and immediately decided to go with it public and collect investors money.

Big Boy's Back.

I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank you Josh. Thank you for missing so many deadlines. All my miners (that I wisely ordered from everyone else but you) are so much more profitable since you can't ship yours. THANKS!!! Keep up the good work. Think you'll finish shipping the old pre-orders by August, September, October?

November 2014 maybe but the monarch is vaporware. The only thing josh can do is insult his own customers and pretty much everyone else. What kind of company as a person like this as the coo? There publicity man? A corrupt one, that's who!

Josh you fucking dirty cockroach, get here so I can squish you you parasite! I reckon we all chip in and get this cockroach squished. I might start a ' squash the cockroach' fund... Reckon it would only take a few $1000

as I said, the lowest of low life scumbag cockroach! Do I have to keep saying it before people realise that this scum bag needs hanging with the Rothschild's & co!

Anyone considering buying anything from these douchebags please take a look at their competition instead (people who are actually SHIPPING 2nd-gen ASICS now)

www.cointerra.com (http://www.cointerra.com)
www.kncminer.com (http://www.kncminer.com)

+1

KnC are excellent, I can vouch for them. I don't doubt cointerra either though, Samsungs ex head of ASIC's is heading there team and he's worked with 11nm and less so 28nm is a cakewalk for his talents.

Back to josh the cockroach, If you have to ask why he's the biggest scumbag, You really have not done your research enough! Seriously, GIANT COCKROACH!

wowow  >:(

thanks for the great customer service, Ill make sure to give you a five star rating  ;) I hope Bitcointalk takes all of your advertisements off the site !!!

We need to inform fellow brothers in the BTC race and warn against butterfly labs. I truly Hope butterfly labs redeem themselves and give back to the brothers who bought into there promises. We all have a right to our own opinions and BFL as well BUT if BFL is truly honest and have integrity, they WILL make it up to the costumers who invested in there company?

Get with the program, Professional scammers are just like government except there have actually got some brains too. Yes, THe cockroach Josh as brains, But only to be a dirty cockroach professionally.

Josh is 1 cockroach braincell ahead of barry (obama) haha.

Seems as though this site is in with them though as they still accept there monies over protecting people on there forums from con artists.

DOWN WITH BITCOINTALK too

BTC is only getting bigger and bigger and NewBies' are joining in every day, So… don’t you think NewBies' and other brothers should be warned, we need to protect them from these companies I’m not trying to be Mr. BTC’supper Hero but…I believe the best thing BFL should do is… try to make it up to the customers and recompense them with either BTC or Free GH/s with their new Hosted Mining Servers The customer is NOT always right! but… don’t Promise one thing and then LIE and LIE to them about when their product will arrive  and them you receiver you rig a year later.
Butterfly Labs has made money off lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and more lies. Just saying!

They would gain nothing giving free GH/s to their old customers because it is tought to get trust back again and probably no more money from old customers anyway

True! Well lets hope for something ???

I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs !!!

we need more promises !
Thanks

Count me in as well: I promise Never to buy anything Again from BFL!!

I going to wait for cheap  power effecient in-stock miners.

Im confident all these 3 conditions BFL never meets

I added a poll, Please vote again :)
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Please vote ;D  :( 8) ???  ::)

I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs !!!

please keep on voting.
thanks  8)

Lets see how many Promises we can get Huh

dude, at this point you are just giving them attention

let it die

Nope :) Not true :0) but hey you have a right you ur own opinions :) The more people know about BFL the faster they can die out!  8)

Vote for the least reliable ASIC company?
Cointerra   - 5 (1.7%)
Kncminer   - 11 (3.7%)
Hashfast   - 10 (3.3%)
BUTTERFLY LABs   - 229 (76.3%)
Terrahash   - 15 (5%)
Avalon   - 30 (10%)
Please vote here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323857.msg3858382#msg3858382

Heres BFL_Josh trusted feedback link. Please give him a Trusted feedback  8)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63314

Also Here's Inaba trusted feedback link. Please give him a Trusted feedback as-well  ;)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=8198

Thanks for the heads up.  I've only briefly browsed the forums here, and even than I've heard of Josh.  Josh is right, it does offer publicity but I don't it's the kind of publicity they want.  As I'm about to make my first substantial purchase of mining equipment I had considered BFL but I'll shop elsewhere now.

I know of a few other manufacturers but if anyone has any suggestions on a reputable company with good communication and won't screw you over, please let me know.

PS - Thanks LittleD for the twitter follow!  :)

I promised some months ago (2013).

Do I have to renew my promise?

Yes you may :) but just don't do it again!!)

I never did it!  :)


So, let's renew the promise for 2014:

I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs!!!

Sound good to me ~ heres 2014 :) please vote!

Back in November, I got Paypal to cough up for four undelivered 7 GH Jalapenos after a six month wait.  At that time they were $350.

Today (1 Feb 2014) 7 GH Jalapenos are going for $200 on ebay.  (Plus a 2% kickback in fleabay bucks, and another 1% from my credit card.)

So I figure I have made at least $600 by not buying from BFL, and I could now have those Jalapenos at about half the price.  If I wanted them.

I am definitely a satisfied non-customer, and I will be happy to make even more money in the future by not buying Monarchs or any other product from Bulls***tery Labs.

Thanks for your feedback, I LOLed at:

I finally have a slightly positive ROI from a 30GH/s asic miner... I ordered from BFL
in  Feb 2013, that was finally shipped to me near the end of October 2013.
I promise NEVER to purchase anything Again from ButterFlylabs !!

My ROI in BTC would have been 20x as much for the same dollars over the entire pre-order
waiting period, if I just bought the bloody coins directly from an exchange at the
BTC exchange prices that were prevalent during that same time.

:0) good to hear you learned ur lesson!

well well well... More promises from your favorite Boy "JOSH/Inabobo000":

"Yes, and I'm working on getting additional benefits for those that paid $4k for the cards. I don't want to reveal any specifics yet, but we will hopefully be able to take care of the customers appropriately."

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/7946-2014-feb-18-monarch-discussion-7.html


Josh, what to do mean additional "benefits"... is this a joke... why do you keep on playing with people hard earned BTC/$$$... WoW..  this company is a JOKE! your going to be the next once filling for bankruptcy  ;D ....

People wake UP and STOP giving your hard earned BTC to this joke of a company.... Josh does a hole lot of traveling with your BTC and stay at nice expensive hotels with your BTC.

I came so very close to handing money to BFL. Only thing that stopped me was when I rang them up and talked to them my gut just screamed no.

Hey gut thanks for that buddy. Now if you just acted up when i sent coins to gox  :'(

Well good luck with the BFL thing.

I honestly wouldn't know where to go to get good mining gear now days.

Also I promise.

we are still excepting Promises :) please vote :)