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Title: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: scamX on February 25, 2018, 04:13:53 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: bitcoinblog on February 25, 2018, 06:19:04 AM
Some crimes really need death Penalty due to Severity of crime or Madness in individual Human being.

Many may be possible getting Death Penalty due to resemblance of crime in past. 

If jails become Equipped and make facility of Education for Prisoners , there is possibility of reducing Death Penalty and Prisoner can realize there mistake while studying.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Sithara007 on February 25, 2018, 06:59:58 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

Personally I would say that death penalty is a very easy and lenient punishment , especially for hardcore criminals such as serial killers and child rapists. Lethal injection or electric chair makes sure that these people doesn't suffer for more than 60 seconds. I would prefer these people to suffer for the rest of their lives, by doing hard labor in some remote penal colony. 


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Jhuna on February 25, 2018, 08:54:15 AM
the alternative to death penalty for me depend what crime he commit if he is robber cut her arm like in the middle east country if he is rapist cut his egg,
if he killed someone take off his eyes in short if someone commit crime just take off his organs, this kind of system positively reduce the crime. :o


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: covfefe_ on February 25, 2018, 10:08:40 AM
I believe people need to get a chance to change themselves and even mentally challenged person should get medical help to recover.
And prison are not a great way to make them better person and is very costly.
I believe prisoners should be indulged to labour works and social works under proper supervision.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: FlightyPouch on February 25, 2018, 11:23:23 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

It is since a lot of criminals are confident they will not be caught since they are being backed up by someone close to the one with power. Death Penalty is a sin when you based it on the bible but we can't just free this people since they will just commit again these crimes. I am not saying that all the people who commits a crime will be doing it again, there are some that are regretting they've done that and there are some who are itching to do that again especially to people whom they hate.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: stephylarde on February 25, 2018, 01:31:26 PM
I believe people need to get a chance to change themselves and even mentally challenged person should get medical help to recover.
And prison are not a great way to make them better person and is very costly.
I believe prisoners should be indulged to labour works and social works under proper supervision.
The death penalty is a relic of the past which can be replaced with better alternatives. There is simply no use for it in the 21st century , from both a monetary and humane point of view.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: thrylos on February 25, 2018, 03:40:32 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?
What kind of alternative you want to here from our suggestions? Is it by cutting hand of a person is he is a theaf, this system is like an eye for an eye and tooth for tooth. If that so, then death penalty still need to apply if the suspect offence is about ended the life of a person. I am pro for death penalty but there should be  a certain standard for applying this punishment to someone. It should be done under legal term, because I believe that there are different types of leadership so I don't have a right to have an opposite move against the government.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Mometaskers on February 25, 2018, 06:01:36 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

Alternative would be to release people as soon as possible. Sure sounds lenient but let's also remember that for first time offenders, prison is where they meet hardened criminals and the possibility is high that they'd remain in contact with those after being released. Many criminal gangs are composed of mostly people who met in prison.

Personally I would say that death penalty is a very easy and lenient punishment , especially for hardcore criminals such as serial killers and child rapists. Lethal injection or electric chair makes sure that these people doesn't suffer for more than 60 seconds. I would prefer these people to suffer for the rest of their lives, by doing hard labor in some remote penal colony. 

Yeah, those are the sort of people we really like tortured first before being released from their pathetic existence.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: mimipipi on February 27, 2018, 10:41:52 AM
The death penalty other than inconsistent with the constitution also violates human destiny. Because, life is a gift that can not be revoked by anyone, including the executioner who took refuge behind the constitution.
Crime prevention through capital punishment is not effective. Therefore, the prevention of crime should be with educational efforts, rather than executing someone. In addition, the death penalty can not be recovered when a defendant is found guilty, but has been executed. Life and death are the right, right to life and right to death. Life ends in death, should not be forcibly repealed in the name of the law. Death penalty should be replaced with life sentence. Therefore, life sentences still provide an opportunity for criminals to repent. In addition, life sentences do not violate human rights.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: marimao on February 27, 2018, 10:53:08 AM
Death penalty in this country was not anymore a practice, but you will suffer a punishment of reclusion perpetua or life sentence.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: salinizm on February 27, 2018, 11:01:18 AM
I believe people need to get a chance to change themselves and even mentally challenged person should get medical help to recover.
And prison are not a great way to make them better person and is very costly.
I believe prisoners should be indulged to labour works and social works under proper supervision.

i could not have put it better myself . Criminals must be indulged to labour works for the economy's sake . But these prisoner must be under strict supervision for sure. Working for a society is the best punishment of all.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: squog on February 27, 2018, 12:04:23 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

I would like to think imprisonment is a very effective means of punishment. But to solve the expenditure problem, make the prison self sustaining or income generating. For example, a prison is a great source of cheap manual labor. Let them break into rocks, build houses, plant crops stuff like that. I mean outside slavery and well within the humane treatment of inmates making a self sustaining income generating prison is very effective and very possible


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: UzumakiSakuragi on February 27, 2018, 12:24:01 PM
The death penalty other than inconsistent with the constitution also violates human destiny. Because, life is a gift that can not be revoked by anyone, including the executioner who took refuge behind the constitution.
Crime prevention through capital punishment is not effective. Therefore, the prevention of crime should be with educational efforts, rather than executing someone. In addition, the death penalty can not be recovered when a defendant is found guilty, but has been executed. Life and death are the right, right to life and right to death. Life ends in death, should not be forcibly repealed in the name of the law. Death penalty should be replaced with life sentence. Therefore, life sentences still provide an opportunity for criminals to repent. In addition, life sentences do not violate human rights.

  Life sentences i agreed for the sake of not violate human right .may i suggest like alcatraz island were they can still have the opportunity to live and to have a chance to repent..


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: patarfweefwee on February 27, 2018, 12:27:56 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

Alternative for punishing crimes? Let them be in the drug trials and clinical trials for medical experiments. Let them tend to animals or even farm crops so they could feed themselves. Let them do manual labor and pay them food and lodging. If you still think this isn't enough then we could always just let them rot in prison. I still believe that death penalty isn't the way to go especially if the judicial system is flawed. If it was perfect then go for the death penalty.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: regalis on February 28, 2018, 08:35:29 PM
Giving a chance is a way where once who committed unlawful acts to its fellowmen given a chance to change that's why they are in prison.Maybe life imprisonment would be a alternative way for death penalty.As we observe now a days that those people who dismissed from their crime/cases repeatedly do the same thing,and maybe because of POVERTY especially on drugs.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: pat4cryptoreal on February 28, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
Alternative to death penalty should be killing the person slowly and making the dead so painful, Prisoners should face economically productive hard labour because it is expansive to maintain the prison.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Blekok001 on May 22, 2018, 11:25:51 AM
The death penalty in my country is given to extraordinary offenders, such as the Drug Crime.
I think that there is no alternative punishment to replace the death penalty because the death penalty alone (the highest penalty for the perpetrators of crime) does not create a deterrent effect for other actors not to do the same, even the perpetrators of Drug Crime are more daring and rampant....


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: MisO69 on May 22, 2018, 02:10:27 PM
Most crime is due to needs. People need to eat and need to feed their families. Most of you are stuck in a little world that your handlers created for you. And for some reason you choose to believe them and not question them.

I would say that crime is a result of political failure. Failure in providing jobs and education. Failure providing security. Societies that have high employment have very little crime. When everyone has what they need then they do not steal, this is fact.

Sure there are still rapists and murderers, there will always be a small percentage of mentally ill individuals that perpetrate these crimes. Killing them isn't going to do anything. What we should be doing is studying them and trying to figure out how to identify these people in their youth so that we can watch them and also maybe one day find a way to help them be normal.







Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: morufu2016 on May 22, 2018, 07:44:48 PM
According to the latest national opinion poll released in conjunction with this report shows that more people in this country would prefer alternative sentences that guarantee both protection and punishment over the death penalty. Death penalty support becomes a minority opinion when the public is presented with a variety of alternative sentences.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: udik235 on May 22, 2018, 11:09:34 PM
the death penalty for me depends on what crime he did for example:
1. robbers
2. corruption
3. children rapists
4. mutilating a person

things like that should be in the law of death.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: xSplit on May 22, 2018, 11:14:00 PM
2. corruption

things like that should be in the law of death.
Good luck killing one billion people


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Sithara007 on May 23, 2018, 03:17:09 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

Liberals tend to believe that death penalty is having little effect on reducing crimes. But the evidences point towards quite the opposite. And it does not reduce the prison cost. On average, the death row convict spends some 20-25 years in prison before the sentence is carried out. And the costs may be higher, since he is being kept in solitary confinement.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Pumapipa on May 23, 2018, 06:17:28 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

Personally I would say that death penalty is a very easy and lenient punishment , especially for hardcore criminals such as serial killers and child rapists. Lethal injection or electric chair makes sure that these people doesn't suffer for more than 60 seconds. I would prefer these people to suffer for the rest of their lives, by doing hard labor in some remote penal colony. 
for countries in which death penalty is not practiced, there are alternative punishments for heinous crimes such as rape,murder, graft and corruption. These are punishable by death but they have down sized it to reclusion perpetua or lifetime inprisonment. But i think doing hard labor for life in remote island will be great. I also think that adding some practices for spiritual rehabilitation should also be included.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Idaujotaite on May 24, 2018, 11:44:31 AM
I think the death penalty is needed for criminals , they get what they deserve, I don't believe they will change.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Sithara007 on May 24, 2018, 12:03:52 PM
2. corruption

things like that should be in the law of death.
Good luck killing one billion people

You don't need to kill one billion people to eliminate corruption from this planet. You only need to kill 1 million people, who represent the "hardcore corrupt". Once these people are removed, the others will fall in line, either voluntarily or involuntarily.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: SkyFlakes on May 24, 2018, 01:26:39 PM
I believe in the saying of an eye for an eye, where if a person took a life then his life should be also be taken. But having death penalty have a lot of things to consider. It has its pros which includes decrease in crimes and corruption. But it has also cons where if we would think of it deeper, life is at stake. Having death penalty is just an option to be taken. We can still do other things rather than to take someone's life. We could make the forces of the government be stronger for it to minimize crimes. Death penalty is not the last option to take so we need to at least try other things to solve the problem.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: automail on May 24, 2018, 01:51:39 PM
I know there are pros and cons for death penalty but its the only way for sinners to be afraid and those who were planning the commit a crime have a second thought. Death causes fear even if the person is pure evil. The only alternative for death penalty is life sentence and being isolated in a prison island. I hate to say this but there are rich people who are treated like a king in the prison so if they were taken to someplace where they can't use their wealth, that will be a good alternative.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: bernashka on May 26, 2018, 08:40:51 PM
it is necessary to settle the prisoners on undeveloped lands, enclose them with a boundary and arrange something like another piece of Alaska, where they can be exiled. To give an opportunity to those who are dissatisfied with the Russian state, to create their own - even small, but fair. Yes, there will live jack-rippers, zodiacs, bonnies and clays.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: criza on June 10, 2018, 12:50:50 PM
Many crimes are commited everyday. Some of those involve killings and of course, they need to be punished. Death penalty is use as part of castigation process for the criminals to be punished. Yet, many people are still in discourse regarding this issue. If not all are agreeing with this, then what punishment we can pursue as an alternative for death penalty? I think reclusion perpetua or lifetime imprisonment is still the righteous punishment. With this, the one who give the punishment does not have to commit the same deed that the criminals do. Besides, lifetime imprisonment is as equal as death. Because in prison, you do not have 'life' to live for.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: bernashka on June 16, 2018, 08:57:54 AM
The desire to replace the death penalty with life imprisonment has shown that the public was opposed to the abolition of the death penalty. In such cases, a rational criminal-executive policy should be applied. The British experience demonstrates very clearly and clearly how the best intentions at the time of the abolition of the death penalty entailed serious problems for the government. Here are some statistics. For example, in the UK, about 6307 people serving life sentences


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: FlightyPouch on June 16, 2018, 09:12:48 AM
Most crime is due to needs.

Though some are because of the pleasure they are feeling whenever they kill someone. I do not know how killing someone become pleasurable but they are doing it wrong.


I would say that crime is a result of political failure.

It is, but not really providing education or job, it is way more than that. Some murderers seek truth it may be a revenge. The government can't answer that with things or education, they need to cure them using psychology.


Sure there are still rapists and murderers, there will always be a small percentage of mentally ill individuals that perpetrate these crimes. Killing them isn't going to do anything. What we should be doing is studying them and trying to figure out how to identify these people in their youth so that we can watch them and also maybe one day find a way to help them be normal.

We all know that that certain murderer will never be normal again, and I know you know that. People knows what he has done, as they say it, murderers will always be murderers even though that murderer is changing himself, people will always look at him as a murderer.

I don't disagree death penalty. Without it, these crminals will not fear anything even the government. We also have a lot of criminals that is so powerful they became untouchable, do you think studying will help them? No, they are a danger to other people. Yes, I know people can change, but it don't usually always work like that.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Anthrlive on June 16, 2018, 11:04:14 PM
Unfortunately, it is very hard to say definitively about this kind of thing. A major concern is that a person who is innocent can be sentenced to death, and after the deed is done - there is absolutely no way to absolve them of their crimes. It is not just a theory, it has happened many times in some US states that still have or have had capital punishment until recently.

On the other hand, it is claimed that death sentence significantly decreases crime rate. For example Singapore authorities explain the fact that drug use and the distribution is extremely low because they punish any drug related crimes with death. It is still a matter of debate how much of what they say is true, but you can't argue that people do follow the law very closely in Singapore.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: coolcoinz on June 18, 2018, 08:04:02 PM
I believe the death penalty is a waste of human resources so I replace of the death penalty, the criminal should be made to work free for the state for live and he or she restricted from enjoying some rights and freedoms.
That's the best idea, make them work, but sometimes the resources needed to guard and protect them during this work are more expensive than the work they are doing. That's why labor camps are so rare these days. You have to give them tools, make sure those tools are in good condition, sometimes provide transportation to and from work, make sure they won't kill each other with the provided tools, feed them well so they have strength to work.

I'd make blood donors out of them. Feed them well and drain them once every month. This way they would be able to save some lives and pay for the food and accomodation that they are given.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: boyptc on June 19, 2018, 11:56:51 PM
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I like the idea of replacing death penalty for letting them work for free. If your concern is about guarding them, it's easy. Put them on a wide-area and the guards above to watch them. As much as possible I don't want to see someone ending his life, I have compassion whether he committed crime or not it's still life but I know what it feels to be the victim of those criminals so telling something for an alternative to death penalty is really hard. But this can be a good idea if they insist and still didn't want to follow, heavier punishment will do.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: UnknownTraders on June 20, 2018, 12:53:30 AM
Some crimes really need death Penalty due to Severity of crime or Madness in individual Human being.

Many may be possible getting Death Penalty due to resemblance of crime in past. 

If jails become Equipped and make facility of Education for Prisoners , there is possibility of reducing Death Penalty and Prisoner can realize there mistake while studying.


Some crimes really need death penalty? I'm sorry, what? Think about it again - who exactly needs death penalty?


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: quantum21 on June 20, 2018, 01:07:48 AM
The death penalty is the easy way out for a hardcore criminal. Why make it easy for them? People commit suicide to escape life's pain, you want to help relieve the pain of hardcore criminals?

Solitary confinement is perfect. Solitary confinement for as little as a month will drive someone insane. I say we give these people LIFE in solitary confinement. If they survive 20 years in solitary confinement, it'll feel like they've been in there for 100 years.

Problem solved.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Beli99 on June 20, 2018, 01:04:04 PM
I think you can look it from several prespectives ,one is that if you give him sentence of life in prison you need to feed him,educate him give them all primary life sources and that cost the hole state, so there is a question why normal people need to pay trought tax for them when that money can be use for better things first for education for prevention this kind of crimes, so if you look it like that its better death penalty,but if you look it the other way death penalty is better choise for many of them thats why a lot of them try suicide to make it easy for them selfs they dont want to rot in jail for rest of their lifes....i like the last comment from quantum21 maybe solitary confinement woudnt be bad idea because death penalty or life without parol is not enought punish for lot of them


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: UnknownTraders on June 20, 2018, 01:43:03 PM
I think you can look it from several prespectives ,one is that if you give him sentence of life in prison you need to feed him,educate him give them all primary life sources and that cost the hole state, so there is a question why normal people need to pay trought tax for them when that money can be use for better things first for education for prevention this kind of crimes, so if you look it like that its better death penalty,but if you look it the other way death penalty is better choise for many of them thats why a lot of them try suicide to make it easy for them selfs they dont want to rot in jail for rest of their lifes....i like the last comment from quantum21 maybe solitary confinement woudnt be bad idea because death penalty or life without parol is not enought punish for lot of them



Why should normal people pay for their lives in prison?

Well.. why should normal people be asked to kill someone? You know.. someone is striking that axe/injecting that poison. We, humans, as a community should look after our own no matter what. If we collectively share the price is it really that bad? Mind you, for a greater good as well. For a second chance. Now if we have an executioner.. that is rolling the responsibility from a collective to 1 person / a small group of people.

Executioners also get paid from you tax money. So is another death justified? Does money really outweigh another persons life?

In my opinion no, it does not - everybody deserves another chance.

You can do a lot of things to a man but you should never take away his hope.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: iamike on June 20, 2018, 03:13:19 PM
Most countries have people who have been sentenced to death but the country has not undertaken the action of killing that particular prisoner. Governments are afraid that the blood of these people will be on their hand so no need to sign for them to be killed. To me the alternative punishment to death penalty is life imprisonment. People may argue that the person will still be a burden on the state because the state has to cater for accommodation, feeding and clothing. But the real deal is that the prisoner will also work for the state. He or she could be a relevant capital asset to the state. Most sentence statement read by judges end with hard labour. So this labour will provide adequate support to the prison service and to the state as a whole.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: uzumymw123 on June 20, 2018, 03:28:47 PM
actually death penalty really helps to reduce crime. but it bypass the right of the person to live.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: UnknownTraders on June 20, 2018, 04:16:32 PM
That's the thing.. you remove the possibility of further crime by this individual but you also remove the possibility of redemption.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: jaydenbox on June 20, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
The death penalty is the easy way out for a hardcore criminal. Why make it easy for them? People commit suicide to escape life's pain, you want to help relieve the pain of hardcore criminals?

Solitary confinement is perfect. Solitary confinement for as little as a month will drive someone insane. I say we give these people LIFE in solitary confinement. If they survive 20 years in solitary confinement, it'll feel like they've been in there for 100 years.

Problem solved.

I agree so much with you, I feel like for someone who did something really bad and they get the death penalty, it is a easy way out, they have to have to think and suffer their consequences.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: BARNEX on June 20, 2018, 06:16:35 PM
I think life prison is much better that death penalty, but in some situation , death penalty is a good way to punish.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: UnknownTraders on June 20, 2018, 06:23:55 PM
I think life prison is much better that death penalty, but in some situation , death penalty is a good way to punish.

Death is not a punishment. Scaring with death is. While the person is waiting for the axe to drop he is punished with constant fear and not knowing when the time will be up. The death part of that sentence is rather a relief from the punishment.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: opinion3 on July 13, 2018, 09:29:10 PM
The Preventive and Restorative Alternatives

OADP supports the redirection of the millions of dollars wasted each year pursuing the death penalty to victims’ support and proven violence prevention programs such as the following:
• Counseling and compensation for the surviving family members of homicide victims.
• Cold case units to investigate and bring to justice the perpetrators of unsolved murder cases.
• Counseling and support groups to reduce child abuse and enhance parenting skills.
• Domestic violence prevention and protection programs.
• Drug courts and substance abuse treatment programs.
• Mental health courts and community-based mental health treatment programs.
• Restorative justice programs such as victim-offender mediation and facilitated dialogue.
• Early childhood education programs.
• Offender re-entry support programs.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: _jshsnts on July 14, 2018, 03:19:08 AM
Death penalty is one of the fastest way to reduce crimes in a country, where nowadays we're living in a society where crime surrounds us. For me the criminals have the chance to change themselves for better. We can help them by producing centers that do counselling, rehabilitation centers that can belp them to be mentally stable and also with the help of the Government and the family of the criminal.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: demibear on July 14, 2018, 03:51:31 AM
Death penalty is one of the fastest way to reduce crimes in a country, where nowadays we're living in a society where crime surrounds us. For me the criminals have the chance to change themselves for better. We can help them by producing centers that do counselling, rehabilitation centers that can belp them to be mentally stable and also with the help of the Government and the family of the criminal.

Someone in prison for a lower tier crime should really not be in the same system with those who are career criminals and higher tier crimes. So laws also need to be reformed and the most extreme should be removed to stop being a waste of resources. After ensuring the guilty is truly the guilty.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Majorsam22 on July 14, 2018, 06:34:45 AM
if its a death penalty i dont see any alternative because i even see it as one of the most easiest way out, fast and painless. giving them long term in prison will only increase state cost so its not an alternative.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: hilawnasaging on July 14, 2018, 08:26:48 AM
Death penalty should not be abolish because some crimes and violation needed death for an exchange. Death penalty will change the minds of the criminals who are violating the law, this will make them change their lives forever. This will can also lessen the crimes committed yearly or eventually change the whole country, but if people are against it, you cannot imply this kind of law in your country, it can either make you good or bad, its the people's choice.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Divine.bc on July 14, 2018, 08:58:02 AM
I don't know if the death penalty curbs criminals from committing crimes or not, but I do believe that some crimes are just to outrageous and the only justice that can be had is from the death penalty. Also, some people just prove themselves to be too dangerous to be allowed to live. 


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Starfranko on July 16, 2018, 05:32:58 AM
Fact is that death penalty has not helped to reduce or discourage criminality in the society and I believe that people should be given as many chances to amend their ways as people. Life imprisonment should be the alternative


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Burnit on July 27, 2018, 04:55:00 PM
Suspended animation inside a Cube for 50+ years no matter what the crime. You may not age a day but your most treasured loved ones are subject too the cruel sands of time, some really scary stuff. Imagine the torment of being out of there lives for 50+ years? Much more horrifying than how prison is done now.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Willie_Linder on July 27, 2018, 05:00:11 PM
In front of certain crimes, it is impossible to remain impassible. The atrocities of certain acts push us to want to vilify or to blow for blow to the culprits. The death penalty has existed since the dawn of time. In all religions, we find its trace. Especially in the Bible, we see how Moses tried to discipline his people. In this sense, we can say that this punishment is to educate and discipline. I do not believe in his advantages but his only goal is discipline. Sometimes she does not scare off criminals. You just have to know the real cause of the crimes. Maybe there, we'll know what to do.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Carter_Terrible on July 27, 2018, 05:00:22 PM
My biggest concern with the death penalty is that mistakes are made. So many cases have occurred in the United States when somebody was sentenced to death and then it was discovered that the person wasn't guilty. Sometimes the person had already been killed and sometimes, luckily, they hadn't. I suppose the death penalty could be a reasonable punishment for certain crimes, if the system was always perfect. The thing is that the system can never be perfect, therefore I don't think it's wise to use the death penalty. I think it's best to lean towards a system like in Norway. There the inmates are treated kindly and they are given many opportunities to learn and become better, to prepare for their return to society. The maximum sentence there is 20 years.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: rain road on July 30, 2018, 02:30:31 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?
I think the best alternative to punishment is education and work. Proper socialization of criminals positively affects a persons. I think that if psychologists and teachers work with the prisoners, they can reconsider their views on life and repent. As for the economic aspects, I think that prisoners should make the most money that  spent on their maintenance..
I think that would be the best way for the guilty people. It will be a way of liberation to dispel all suffering for those who are still alive


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: FroggysDoggy on August 01, 2018, 08:42:52 PM
I think instead of death penalty they should work for factories without pay and that's their penalty.


instead of dying without doing anything why don't they just work for something that could help others lives

I agree. Totally. The best way to punish them is to make them work for the benefit of the society.

For example, they could have been involved in the recovery and clean-up of the Fukushima or Chernobyl Accidents instead of innocent people who lost their lives to save the mankind.

"The next task was cleaning up the radioactivity at the site so that the remaining three reactors could be restarted, and the damaged reactor shielded more permanently. About 200,000 people ('liquidators') from all over the Soviet Union were involved in the recovery and clean-up during 1986 and 1987. They received high doses of radiation, averaging around 100 millisieverts. Some 20,000 of them received about 250 mSv and a few received 500 mSv. Later, the number of liquidators swelled to over 600,000 but most of these received only low radiation doses. The highest doses were received by about 1000 emergency workers and on-site personnel during the first day of the accident."

As regards death penalty, I believe it's a waste of money. There are better ways to use those guys...


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Carter_Terrible on August 03, 2018, 03:21:12 PM
I think instead of death penalty they should work for factories without pay and that's their penalty.


instead of dying without doing anything why don't they just work for something that could help others lives

I agree. Totally. The best way to punish them is to make them work for the benefit of the society.

For example, they could have been involved in the recovery and clean-up of the Fukushima or Chernobyl Accidents instead of innocent people who lost their lives to save the mankind.

"The next task was cleaning up the radioactivity at the site so that the remaining three reactors could be restarted, and the damaged reactor shielded more permanently. About 200,000 people ('liquidators') from all over the Soviet Union were involved in the recovery and clean-up during 1986 and 1987. They received high doses of radiation, averaging around 100 millisieverts. Some 20,000 of them received about 250 mSv and a few received 500 mSv. Later, the number of liquidators swelled to over 600,000 but most of these received only low radiation doses. The highest doses were received by about 1000 emergency workers and on-site personnel during the first day of the accident."

As regards death penalty, I believe it's a waste of money. There are better ways to use those guys...
That is quite a novel idea. Well, I guess that is something that already happens to some extent isn't it? The constitution of the US states, “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” I guess this means that slavery can be okay if one is convicted of a crime. I'm pretty sure this happens. Unfortunately, it seems to be quite a corrupt arrangement usually. Prisons and big companies benefit from it. It would be nice is regular people could benefit from their labor.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: MrPresidentIM on August 03, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
Sometimes I have doubts as to whether death penalty really promotes good behavior and prevents crime.

For example,
"Capital punishment remained a legal military option until 1983 when it was explicitly forbidden in the Constitution of the Netherlands. In 1991, all references to the death penalty were removed from Dutch law."


OR:

"Dates for abolition of the death penalty. Capital punishment was abolished for all crimes committed in peacetime on 30 June 1921. Capital punishment was abolished for all crimes, including those committed in time of war, on 1 January 1973."

At the same time Sweden and Holland have crime rates that are lower than those of the countries where capital punishment remains....

Just some food for thought before bedtime ;)


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Jemroe01 on August 04, 2018, 02:44:51 AM
A case of murder cannot be justified by another killing, it only worsen the situation of living with the good. An alternative to death penalty for me is a sentence of forever in jail. This might be more effective than killing because we all know at the first place, we have no rights to kill a life. Every life is a gift of God. Even though others might actually kill, we ourselves know better what to do.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Jared_Burns on August 07, 2018, 06:05:37 PM
There are quiet a number of alternatives to death penalty through  Preventive and Restorative Alternatives:
- Counseling and compensation for the surviving family members of homicide victims.
- Cold case units to investigate and bring to justice the perpetrators of unsolved murder cases.
- Counseling and support groups to reduce child abuse and enhance parenting skills.
- Domestic violence prevention and protection programs.
- Drug courts and substance abuse treatment programs.
- Mental health courts and community-based mental health treatment programs.
- Restorative justice programs such as victim-offender mediation and facilitated dialogue.
- Early childhood education programs.
- Offender re-entry support programs.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: imsotiredofmoviereboots on August 08, 2018, 02:02:16 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?


Death penalty decrease the number of criminals in the world so it's still helpful. I would suggest that people who will commit heinous crimes and  drugs should have an isolated prisoned where they can't talk to anyone and just alone. It would traumatized that they won't want to do any crime ever again.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Bugsy22 on August 08, 2018, 07:16:51 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?


Death penalty decrease the number of criminals in the world so it's still helpful. I would suggest that people who will commit heinous crimes and  drugs should have an isolated prisoned where they can't talk to anyone and just alone. It would traumatized that they won't want to do any crime ever again.

All issues related to death penalty have a certain gray area, i.e. what if a person was set up? What if he or she didn't commit whatever they are charged with? Won't death penalty be a crime against an innocent person?


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: chrisnewsome on August 10, 2018, 03:42:01 AM
I think that the alternative way to death penalty is through long term inprisonment. Why I say this? It is because it is the hardest, longest, and torturing sentence. You will be locked up in a room for how many years a court sentenced you, spending your whole world on the four sides of the room. You think that it is easy but on the long run, it can torture not only your physical body, but also your mental capacity. It can lead to insanity. The court does not stepped any legal matters regarding human rights since the criminal is found guilty of a crime. So for me, it is the way.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: kingsmith002 on August 10, 2018, 08:50:04 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

I agree to that , Death penalty is such a reducing criminals in the prison.I think the alternative punishment to those who commit crimen is reducing their parts of their body like in saudi arabia.I heard in that country if you steal they cut your hands and what you are using on doing bad things they cut it. I guess all of then people might be scared for that punishment.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: nngella on August 10, 2018, 09:14:04 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?
I think the best alternative to punishment is education and work. Proper socialization of criminals positively affects a persons. I think that if psychologists and teachers work with the prisoners, they can reconsider their views on life and repent. As for the economic aspects, I think that prisoners should make the most money that  spent on their maintenance..
That's what I think too. A big problem with many prison systems is that they make people worse. You gather the worse people in the country and put them all in the one place and treat the horribly. The culture is so toxic. Sometimes people end up in prison for some cyber crime and they are put together with rapists and murderers. They can come out as hardened gang members, when they went in for a crime the commit on their computer. Rehabilitation has to be priority. Prisoners should be treated with respect. The main punishment should just be that they are cut off from the rest of society. Their lives are put on hold for the whole time they are in jail.

This is a sad reality.  Instead of helping these people to change for the better, educate them to learn and renew their lives, the community (and even our government) will condemn them and not giving them a second change to grow and mature.

I do agree also that they should be treated with respect (yes even though they do not give respect at the first place and they committed horrible crimes).  We should start doing things as early as childhood development to prevent them from committing crimes the moment they grow up.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Raymund02 on August 10, 2018, 02:04:52 PM
As I am thinking of an alternative to death penalty, I also think of what are the reasons why people commit crimes. I think the thing is that we luck so much in having a good mentality. As we all know, people who commit crimes are the ones with psychological problems. By having a good mentality even if there are a lot of things that's going on in your life, you can thing straight and right. So for me, why would we think of an alternative if we can prevent ourselves from committing crimes. As the saying goes, "Prevention is better that cure."


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: mcqueen95 on August 11, 2018, 06:02:57 PM
Basically - life without parole. A lot of death penalty proponents stipulate that convicted criminals will be out on the streets in seven to twenty years, potentially unleashing them back on society. nobody wants a vengeful serial killer or rapist back on the streets and free to track down the people who testified against him - that's a scenario straight out of a nightmare! but in reality,  most people sentenced to life without parole for violent crimes are not released at all, and the ones who are usually released aftet at least 25-30 years in prison, by which point most of them are old men and women anyway. As mentioned above, life without parole also costs a lot less and allows for mistakes to be corrected. Overall, ee feel like the death penalty has a lot of negative sides and no positive ones, and while life without parole is not a perfect solution, it certainly beats the Alternative.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: HI KITTY on August 12, 2018, 08:49:54 AM
The death penalty is a very controversial and multifaceted subject. There are some who believe that it is justified, and that anyone who dares to take a life deserves to have theirs taken as well. A lot of religious people believe in the Biblical “an eye for an eye”, which is a pretty catchy motto, even if it’s usually taken out of context (it’s supposed to be taken metaphorically, as there are a lot of examples in the Old Testament of criminals who literally pay for their crimes with goods or money). We, on the other hand, like to think of it as a relic of the past which can, and should, be replaced with better alternatives. There is simply no use for it in the 21st century, from both a monetary and humane point of view.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Carter_Terrible on August 12, 2018, 12:43:28 PM
This is a sad reality.  Instead of helping these people to change for the better, educate them to learn and renew their lives, the community (and even our government) will condemn them and not giving them a second change to grow and mature.

I do agree also that they should be treated with respect (yes even though they do not give respect at the first place and they committed horrible crimes).  We should start doing things as early as childhood development to prevent them from committing crimes the moment they grow up.
What do you think could be done in childhood to stop people from becoming rapists? I think that this is something that has to be done in the home. As much as many governments seem to try, we can't really control what happens in the home. We shouldn't really. This mean that we can't make people create loving home environments and teach their children to respect others. I think that a lot of people who commit rape have something missing in their lives. Maybe they weren't loved as a child. That's not always true, for sure, but I think it is sometimes.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: crwth on August 24, 2018, 12:53:22 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?


Death penalty decrease the number of criminals in the world so it's still helpful. I would suggest that people who will commit heinous crimes and  drugs should have an isolated prisoned where they can't talk to anyone and just alone. It would traumatized that they won't want to do any crime ever again.
How about instead of death penalty, we make use of these people? Make them do civil works? Like community service or give them jobs that could serve the public. But they must be closely monitored at all times!!! It’s like using our resources and not having to spend much on allowance. Like they do the work but they don’t get anything in return. Just like Sithara said.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: BestSSS on September 08, 2018, 09:21:29 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

In General, many believe that life imprisonment at the expense of taxpayers is not the best option, but it is one of the few humane decisions on the part of the authorities. Every year dissatisfied people are becoming more and may have thought to come up with some other solutions to decrease costs the state to crazy criminals!

As one option is to link to the North or to the tundra, there are hundreds of kilometers of empty space. To survive there is very difficult, no one argues, but it seems to me a much more humane idea than the death penalty. If you arrange the territory, enclose them with the border and arrange something like a desert island, where they can be banished, so you can send criminals there and forget about them without spending huge sums of money on them. To give the opportunity to those who are unhappy with their government, to create their own – albeit small, harsh, but fair, and with such laws as they like. Yes, there will be live Jack the Ripper, the serial killer, but nobody will go and let them decide how to live.
Where and how prisoners will extract resources, food, clothing, with whom – to trade, and generally build their lives to decide only to them. Do you think this punishment is too cruel and inhumane? I don't think so because there are many examples of survival in such conditions.  As a variant example of the first settlers of America, among them were also a few worthy people – mostly criminals, but they wittily in such conditions, organized their society and now as you see rule the world!


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: rutherford on September 08, 2018, 03:53:50 PM

To me, death penalty is allowed if they'd done a terrible mistakes (example : taking other people's life, such as murder, drugs). But it turns out, a death penalty cause so much trouble for everyone. They disagree about this kind of punishment. They prefered the suspect to get a life sentenced than death penalty. Because death penalty violated human rights. So i guess the best alternative punishment would be life sentenced.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: detector on September 08, 2018, 04:05:54 PM
Every country have their own policy against death penalty.
For me if the crime already extreme and can't change anymore, death penalty become the absolute law.

No compromy if we want to see the law changed in the future !


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: BADecker on September 09, 2018, 12:19:43 AM
Every country have their own policy against death penalty.
For me if the crime already extreme and can't change anymore, death penalty become the absolute law.

No compromy if we want to see the law changed in the future !

Life in cryogenic suspended animation.      :D


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: CenaCena on September 13, 2018, 11:20:32 AM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

I guess a good alternative to that would be working and being useful for the society for the rest of their days rather than just killing them, imo.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Dzhegash on September 13, 2018, 12:05:36 PM
We lack conclusive evidence on most of these questions. It would be far easier to design research projects for their answer than to summarize and analyze theinconclusive facts at hand. There appears to be some merit, however, in bringing together the knowledge we have of these alternatives an in assessing their relevance to the practical considerations of the administration of justice.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: yatsey87 on September 13, 2018, 12:16:15 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes.

There are no pros to it in my opinion, and like you said it isn't a deterrent.

Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison.

But does it? It might save on costs of housing the prisoner in the long run, but you're forgetting all the extra costs there will inevitably be with all the process and appeals and lawyers and extra time a death penalty case will go on for and they go on for many years.

Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

Yes. Just actually life in prison, and life actually meaning life not just 20-35 years or whatever it might be (it differs from country to country). You can argue that putting someone to death is them getting off without doing their time as well (though the death penalty is obviously the ultimate punishment) and they can still get to 'enjoy' life (though I'm not sure how enjoyable life would be in a maximum security prison). Unless you're like a truly insane mass murderer that is guilty beyond all doubt then I don't think the death penalty should be even considered.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: lemazullo on September 17, 2018, 01:27:55 PM
The death penalty is a very controversial and multifaceted subject. There are some who believe that it is justified, and that anyone who dares to take a life deserves to have theirs taken as well. A lot of religious people believe in the Biblical “an eye for an eye”, which is a pretty catchy motto, even if it’s usually taken out of context (it’s supposed to be taken metaphorically, as there are a lot of examples in the Old Testament of criminals who literally pay for their crimes with goods or money). We, on the other hand, like to think of it as a relic of the past which can, and should, be replaced with better alternatives. There is simply no use for it in the 21st century, from both a monetary and humane point of view.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: btcmerchant on September 18, 2018, 03:43:14 AM
Put all criminals in very isolated Island atleast 1 thousand miles to the nearest Island. No prisons, they plant or catch their own food build their own houses. Anyone try to escape will be destroyed by drones on air and underwater drones.



Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: crwth on October 17, 2018, 07:46:41 AM
The first and most obvious negative is that, well, executions kill people. Isn’t it very hypocritical for us as a society to punish people for killing by killing them, especially when there are more humane methods of dealing with them? And what if the person we are punishing has actually done nothing wrong? There are numerous cases where people who were executed were found to have been innocent all along soon afterwards. One such case is that of Cameron Todd Willingham, who was sentenced to death for starting a fire that killed his three daughters despite overwhelming evidence for his innocence. Willingham was executed in 2004, with doubts of the wrongfulness of the execution arousing soon afterwards. Several investigations have concluded that Willingham was, in fact, innocent of his crime, yet as of August 2015 the state of Oklahoma has yet to overturn his verdict. If he hadn’t been executed, chances are he would’ve already been released based on the aforementioned investigations.
First of all, executions were done to kill people, that's just the purpose of them punishing. I'm not a firm believer in the death penalty, but I want to have justice, for it to be done to people who really deserve it. It's not just basically killing them, but having them living on earth is not ideal. Yes, there are more humane methods, but it's still going to be death. The journey is different, but the destination is the same.

I guess there are a lot of people who were accused by the wrong thing, and they say there are people who died in the death penalty but is innocent. We can never know that for sure, but the fact that you were caught and there was evidence (if investigations were done), it's probably true. If the accused was wrongly convicted, it's the system that needs to stop. It's the corruption, and it would be hard to stop it, but we could do our parts.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: afluence on October 21, 2018, 02:19:37 PM
Even if we leave the humanitarian and judicial concerns, there’s also the monetary and purely practical ones. Cases that pursue the death penalty tend to be a lot more expensive to the state than cases that only pursue life without parole due to the former being a lot more complex and lengthy than the latter. If the state of California alone replaces the death penalty with life without parole, it will save $1 billion in taxpayer’s money over the next five years. Additionally, due to the different living conditions, the price of accommodating just one death row inmate a year is $90,000 higher than the same price for someone serving life without parole – and keep in mind, death row inmates are often imprisoned for at least 10-15 years before their execution. When all is said and done, on average, every execution (meaning the trial, imprisonment and the eventual procedure to put the prisoner to death) costs the state about $250 million. And remember – these are all taxpayers’ money that could be used for the improvement of the community.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: SinarG on November 06, 2018, 05:27:38 PM
I believe that if our society follows the path of humanization, then the death penalty is not acceptable.
First, everyone has the right to repentance for his crimes and rebirth for society.
Secondly, the judicial system is imperfect, it has errors. There is always a percentage of unfairly convicted citizens. It turns out that we can commit a higher evil, deprive an innocent person of life.
For all these reasons, I am against the death penalty. And I think that a civilized society should abandon it.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: hoverdrone on November 06, 2018, 06:49:57 PM
For some reason hypnosis comes to my mind. This concept may be too far-fetched, but if it`s impossible that the criminal will rethink his crimes and change, why not to psychologically 'rewire' them? Is this humane enough or we should care more about murderers` personalities?


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Becksinsky on November 07, 2018, 01:53:32 PM
I think the alternative is, of course, the imprisonment of a person, but in addition to this, psychologists must communicate with every prisoner on a daily basis, which would help to correct their views on life and, as a result, their behavior.
I understand that this seems like a very mild punishment. But think about what we will fix in a person if we physically torture him? This is the same senseless anger, it is not constructive.
It is necessary to try to fix the person, and not to revenge him.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: Blanca_Gregory on November 07, 2018, 06:20:54 PM
I believe people need to get a chance to change themselves and even mentally challenged person should get medical help to recover.
And prison are not a great way to make them better person and is very costly.
I believe prisoners should be indulged to labour works and social works under proper supervision.

What about the serial killers? The mass murderers? Do they deserve the same treatment as well? If they all use mental illness as the reason for their crime, it will be a shame to people who are truly suffering from it. Sometimes, a person who has done a terrible crime deserves to be sentenced to death. But as for alternative to death penalty ideas, the only thing I can think of is to have them experience what their victims experienced. For example, have a rapist be screwed over and over and over by a pig or a horse. Or starve them off. Lock them in a padded cell with a noise barrier while limiting their food and drink supplies.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: coolcoinz on November 07, 2018, 09:04:39 PM
Basically – life without parole. A lot of death penalty proponents stipulate that convicted criminals will be out on the streets in seven to twenty years, potentially unleashing them back on society. Nobody wants a vengeful serial killer or rapist back on the streets and free to track down the people who testified against him – that’s a scenario straight out of a nightmare! But in reality, most people sentenced to life without parole for violent crimes are not released at all, and the ones who are usually released after at least 25-30 years in prison, by which point most of them are old men and women anyway. As mentioned above, life without parole also costs a lot less and allows for mistakes to be corrected. Overall, we feel like the death penalty has a lot of negative sides and no positive ones, and while life without parole is not a perfect solution, it certainly beats the alternative.

Who is going to pay for that? Murderers usually know that they can spend the next 20 years in jail. Does it stop them from taking lives?
Would "no parole" change the crime rates? IMO it wouldn't. As a result the same murderers who are now leaving the system after 20 years will have to stay there for another 20, despite being old, grumpy, and unable to care for themselves.
What's the point of keeping a 70 or 80 year old grandpa in prison?


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: BADecker on November 07, 2018, 11:01:35 PM
How's about brainwashing? Now it's true brainwashing doesn't last very long after you take someone off it. And even the best of brainwashing breaks down after a while. So, how about the idea of eternal life as an alternative to the death penalty? Here's how.

If someone deserves death for some crime he committed, stick him in a brainwashing stimulation center. Brainwash him into believing Jesus-salvation so that when he dies of old age in the center, he goes to Heaven... eternal life. Let the brainwashing continue for the rest of his natural life.

This doesn't mean that he should NOT work off his debt to society while he is still alive, living in the brainwashing center.

8)


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: JSRAW on November 08, 2018, 06:27:11 AM
@BADecker is that sarcasm or you are serious? lol


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: BADecker on November 08, 2018, 01:24:08 PM
@BADecker is that sarcasm or you are serious? lol

But if I am serious, or if it is sarcasm, or if it is something else, you haven't explained much about why you are laughing.

8)


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: af_newbie on November 08, 2018, 02:02:51 PM
Death penalty has its pro and con but I think it has little effect on reducing crimes. Though it does help reducing cost spent on prison. What do you guys think? Is there alternatives to punishing crimes?

It is a difficult question.

From the economic point of view, the average cost of incarceration per inmate is around 150K/year.

I would propose to create two options for all convicted death row inmates:

Option 1: death penalty, execution in one week.  This is a default option if option #2 is not chosen.

Option 2: work for free in a prison factory for the rest of his/her life.  Family members/friends would have to agree to pay the difference in prison costs+20%.  Any breach in the contract would trigger option #1.

The cost of the two options will be minimal to the rest of us. 

I already see money-raising campaigns to "save the lives of death row inmates".
You know the ads you see on TV about saving tigers or starving children in Africa etc.  I think option #2 will be very popular and in the end will make money for the government.

You will basically spread the cost among the willing participants, instead of the current system when all taxpayers are on the hook.



Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: daniel08 on November 10, 2018, 01:20:50 AM
For me death penalty is the ultimate punishments for all criminals specially those who commits the most serious crimes like murder , rape etc. For the alternative punishments it depends in the crime that a criminal commits like example of when someone rape a woman , the one who commits this crime shall be cut his penis and imprisonment.


Title: Re: Alternatives to death penalty?
Post by: JSRAW on November 14, 2018, 01:11:17 PM
@BADecker was laughing at my confusion :)