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Title: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: mistakenine on February 27, 2018, 09:16:10 AM
what I mean parallel blockchain is a complex data structure.And it seems much more difficult than blockchain which I also mean a data structure.I hava find a solution about this data structure to get consistency in a distributed system.
I am poor English and my paper is written by chinese, If anyone is interested in it ,please contact me



Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: buwaytress on February 27, 2018, 11:43:53 AM
So basically you're not using blockchain then? You mean "alternative" maybe, not "parallel". As I'm unsure of what you're proposing, could it be related to something like mesh networks? Directed acrylic graph? What's going on at the chinese developer forums, probably better luck there? Pretty sure the NEO guys might be able to throw you a lifeline if you contact via github or even their NEO Wechat.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: mistakenine on February 27, 2018, 12:56:13 PM
So basically you're not using blockchain then? You mean "alternative" maybe, not "parallel". As I'm unsure of what you're proposing, could it be related to something like mesh networks? Directed acrylic graph? What's going on at the chinese developer forums, probably better luck there? Pretty sure the NEO guys might be able to throw you a lifeline if you contact via github or even their NEO Wechat.

I am sure it is parallel,I know it seems "unbelievable". But it can really get a solution by some restrict.I have tried to contacted some one but seems they can not read  a long paper for a difficult math proof


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: Tobaa on February 27, 2018, 01:35:14 PM
Is it possible for you to post link here for one to understand what you mean by "Parralel Blockchain"?


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: Jet Cash on February 27, 2018, 01:38:21 PM
I thought Bitcoin Cash was a parallel blockchain.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: LoyceV on February 27, 2018, 06:01:17 PM
parallel blockchain
Do you mean a side chain?

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I am poor English and my paper is written by chinese
Can you get someone to translate it? Most people on this board can't read Chinese.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: mistakenine on February 28, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
parallel blockchain
Do you mean a side chain?

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I am poor English and my paper is written by chinese
Can you get someone to translate it? Most people on this board can't read Chinese.

I have found some one in china to read my paper,tks a lot.
It is not a side chain.It means parallel blockchainsssss.  to make them as a whole .


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: bob123 on February 28, 2018, 12:21:24 PM
parallel blockchain
Do you mean a side chain?
It is not a side chain.It means parallel blockchainsssss.  to make them as a whole .

Could you outline this more specifically?
Are you talking about a blockchain of blockchains?
Or about simultaneously growing blockchains? What problem does this approach solve?



I thought Bitcoin Cash was a parallel blockchain.

bcash is trash a forked chain. Up until to the fork height X all blocks are 'identical'. From X+1 those chains differ.
But these aren't parallel chains. 2 different chains which have the same history until block X.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: zkidkid on March 01, 2018, 07:22:37 AM
Something likes TON ?
May you share some info about your architecture?


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: silent2 on March 01, 2018, 07:38:38 AM
Interestingly, I think you have a lot of good information.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: RNC on March 01, 2018, 12:48:38 PM
A parallel blockchain is a system, method, and computer readable storage medium for accessing a data file shared by all computing nodes participating in a system based on a blockchain protocol. The data file includes transactions and blocks.

This is something I am trying to work on using an encrypted type of Tor network but first I have to solve decentralized
node discovery that will scale to a billion users and I am not sure even this can be done.

So far i have broken this problem down by using 65535 dat files that are based on digits 3-6 from a public key
using on the network so that node 01ABCD..... is a good name server node to use if you are looking to find the address for
01AB99................

trouble is that even going down to this level results in huge files that are encrypted having to be loaded into memory
for a single look-up and the amount of network chatter needed to replicate this volume of data is massive.

Sure I could do this with say twenty AS-400's in a cluster but trying to use lots of small machines is almost impossible
from what I can make out.

So far I have feed 10m 32 byte public addresses into the system just for testing and it is lightning fast and the data is
as compact a it could be but I still don't think this will scale to a billion users on a distributed system if it was ever put to the test

For distributed files I was looking to make something a bit like how Bit-Torrent works if I ever get node discovery to work
but these are my findings so far so please fire away if you think that I am using the wrong approach here.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: tprabash on March 03, 2018, 01:34:01 AM
Please anyone can explain me about parallel block chains?


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: Taras on March 03, 2018, 05:43:13 AM
A parallel blockchain is a system, method, and computer readable storage medium for accessing a data file shared by all computing nodes participating in a system based on a blockchain protocol. The data file includes transactions and blocks.

This is something I am trying to work on using an encrypted type of Tor network but first I have to solve decentralized
node discovery that will scale to a billion users and I am not sure even this can be done.

So far i have broken this problem down by using 65535 dat files that are based on digits 3-6 from a public key
using on the network so that node 01ABCD..... is a good name server node to use if you are looking to find the address for
01AB99................

trouble is that even going down to this level results in huge files that are encrypted having to be loaded into memory
for a single look-up and the amount of network chatter needed to replicate this volume of data is massive.

Sure I could do this with say twenty AS-400's in a cluster but trying to use lots of small machines is almost impossible
from what I can make out.

So far I have feed 10m 32 byte public addresses into the system just for testing and it is lightning fast and the data is
as compact a it could be but I still don't think this will scale to a billion users on a distributed system if it was ever put to the test

For distributed files I was looking to make something a bit like how Bit-Torrent works if I ever get node discovery to work
but these are my findings so far so please fire away if you think that I am using the wrong approach here.


I don't think you should stress over how your software would hold up with a billion peers. It is much more important how it works with a few thousand peers, because that is going to happen much sooner than a billion peers.

parallel blockchain
Do you mean a side chain?

Quote
I am poor English and my paper is written by chinese
Can you get someone to translate it? Most people on this board can't read Chinese.

I have found some one in china to read my paper,tks a lot.
It is not a side chain.It means parallel blockchainsssss.  to make them as a whole .

Could you share the paper here? Is it non-free?


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: Anti-Cen on March 03, 2018, 06:10:20 PM
I don't think you should stress over how your software would hold up with a billion peers. It is much more important how it works with a few thousand peers, because that is going to happen much sooner than a billion peers.

Me is him !

Well I intend on dealing with just having two nodes by hard coding the bloody IP-address into the program  :D :D :D but please
don't put it around.

Yes you could be right because I have just become stuck on this problem and no I am not expecting a billion users to buy my
new alt-coin, has nothing to do with coins apart from the encryption and is more like Tor 4.0


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: CongHoan on March 11, 2018, 12:35:57 PM
If it couldnt be hacked . it would be perfect platform


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: Jet Cash on March 14, 2018, 09:02:51 AM



I thought Bitcoin Cash was a parallel blockchain.

bcash is trash a forked chain. Up until to the fork height X all blocks are 'identical'. From X+1 those chains differ.
But these aren't parallel chains. 2 different chains which have the same history until block X.

Sounds like prallel to me, with a later divergence. The early pre-"fork" records on the Bitcoin Cash chain are duplicates of the ones on the Bitcoin chain aren't they? If they weren't parallel, then surely replays wouldn't be possible.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: akes2090 on March 14, 2018, 12:36:27 PM
@OP: Sorry I don't understand what you are trying to achieve. Blockchains by their architecture, have consistency already built-in.
The nodes running as validators achieve this by ensuring that the hash of each block is the same.

Now in the case of the traditional RDBMS - consistency forms an integral part of the ACID properties which ensures the credibility and reliability of the data.

It seems you are trying to re-invent the wheel as what you are trying to describe sounds more like a distributed fault-tolerant RDBMS.


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: donovank on March 14, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
We need a new blockchain tech to take over for sure, I wouldn't focus on a parallel blockchain for now, but on getting the technical structure behind the chain optimized


Title: Re: Is there anyone interested in a parallel blockchain?
Post by: tth8701 on March 14, 2018, 05:20:48 PM
what do you want to achieve from it? Are you plan to lay out a theory for a new type of blockchain or modifying any existing blockchain?