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Title: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: Lazer on September 28, 2013, 02:06:29 AM
October 1st is right around the corner and there is still no consensus in Congress (http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/27/country-moves-closer-to-government-shutdown-with-senate-vote).

Personally, although I'm against the affordable care act, I don't agree with the method that is being used by House Republicans of "hijacking" the vote.

Will there be a government shutdown and do you want it to happen?

Should preparations be made in any way if worst comes to worst?

Will the post office still deliver mail?


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: solex on September 28, 2013, 02:18:39 AM
The only thing needed is the police and judicial system. The rest of government could remain shutdown indefinitely. The economy would really grow fast without a vast bureaucratic cancerous lymphoma suffocating it.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: lightfoot on September 28, 2013, 02:24:52 AM
I personally am looking forward to complete anarchy. Might drive up the price of Bitcoin and increase the value of my Jally.

More to the point, the complete failure of electricity and infrastructure nationwide will shut down most of the weak miners, thus preventing difficulty from going up. Likewise deterioration of roads, lack of air traffic control, and the shutdown of all postal systems will prevent more ASICs from getting to people, thus boosting my little Jally's output. Heck, difficulty might even go down, which means more bitcoin for me.

C
(Why yes, I can run my JP and internet link on solar power :-)


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: b!z on September 28, 2013, 07:18:19 AM
I don't think there will be a gov shutdown or anarchy any time soon in the USA.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: pedrog on September 28, 2013, 02:42:31 PM
I don't understand this ObamaCare thing, is it good or not? Will it bring health costs down? Will more people have access to health-care?


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: scarsbergholden on September 28, 2013, 05:42:23 PM
The only thing needed is the police and judicial system. The rest of government could remain shutdown indefinitely. The economy would really grow fast without a vast bureaucratic cancerous lymphoma suffocating it.
That doesn't really work in practice. A lot of people would be screwed without proper transitional infrastructure in place. Privileged people would be fine; poor folk, seniors, at-risk kids, mentally ill..... take your pick, but fuck the economy if society looks like what it will in this scenario.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: FirstAscent on September 28, 2013, 05:58:57 PM
Prepare? Did you really write that?


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: CEG5952 on September 28, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
if it happens, no ones really gonna feel it. if it goes on long enough that they have to actually start cutting into vital services, it'll end pretty quick i think. we'll see, i guess, but i'm not too worried about it.

 8)


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: TheButterZone on September 28, 2013, 09:33:26 PM
No, just the threat of the shutdown will be used to "justify" further taxing all law-abiders closer to bankruptcy.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: peonminer on September 28, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
They will shut down and buy out bitcoin. Re-open with the majority of btc to use for bailouts for every undeserving individual and company that is run by govnt.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: wasserman99 on September 28, 2013, 10:11:40 PM
someone mentioned services for poor, seniors, mentally ill. what about them? you laugh at them?  ???



Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: wasserman99 on September 29, 2013, 12:27:25 AM
someone mentioned services for poor, seniors, mentally ill. what about them? you laugh at them?  ???

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html
that's a really brilliant response, so what is your opinion, in your own words? on the above? and on the notion, as mentioned in the same post, of a "transitional infrastructure"? and what kind of a society do you want, ideally, in regards to poor, elderly, mentally and physically disabled, etc people?


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: wasserman99 on September 29, 2013, 12:42:59 AM
someone mentioned services for poor, seniors, mentally ill. what about them? you laugh at them?  ???

http://archive.lewrockwell.com/orig4/ellis1.html
that's a really brilliant response, so what is your opinion, in your own words? on the above? and on the notion, as mentioned in the same post, of a "transitional infrastructure"? and what kind of a society do you want, ideally, in regards to poor, elderly, mentally and physically disabled, etc people?

Could you clarify your questions and define "transitional infrastructure"?

questions are pretty clear, honestly, and the dictionary definitions of both words, put together  :)


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: goxed on September 29, 2013, 07:25:59 AM
They should shut down banking for a few weeks, that would be enough to get bitcoins to the mainstream.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: Spendulus on September 29, 2013, 05:15:20 PM
....
Will the post office still deliver mail?
If a shutdown means I don't have to deal with that one inch of total trash junk spam that they bring every day...

COOL....


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: Argwai96 on September 29, 2013, 07:51:20 PM
....
Will the post office still deliver mail?
If a shutdown means I don't have to deal with that one inch of total trash junk spam that they bring every day...

COOL....
i hear that. moved into a new place recently and finally have a box big enough to fit most/all my mail, and then it turns out i get 5x the junk mail. wtf


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: TheButterZone on September 29, 2013, 08:00:36 PM
Here's where to opt-out of certain junk mail supposedly: DMAchoice.org (http://DMAchoice.org)


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: scarsbergholden on September 30, 2013, 08:09:43 PM
Here's where to opt-out of certain junk mail supposedly: DMAchoice.org (http://DMAchoice.org)
Nothing directly from the post office, though? I think I am a little scared to give my information to these people...


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: TheButterZone on September 30, 2013, 09:05:41 PM
Couldn't find USPS actual opt-out in a cursory Google search.

More on this:
http://www.today.com/id/18530707/ns/today-money/t/sick-mailbox-full-flyers-credit-card-offers/
http://consumerist.com/2008/03/13/8-ways-to-opt-out-of-junk-mail-lists/


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: RoadToHell on September 30, 2013, 09:21:06 PM
The term "shutdown" that is being used for this charade is about as accurate as any other term used by politicians or 24x7 news outlets in need of a crisis to fill air time.  The givernment is not going to shut down.  Remember, these are government people that are left to determine the meaning of "non-essential services."  What high-level, career government official or politician has ever believed that there are any non-essential government services?  Some offices will be closed to cause political pain and some will run on reduced staff and/or hours to make a public showing.

I am still amazed though that the Senate democrats are willing to "bring the government to a stand-still" (their phrase, not mine) over one piece of funding.


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: Spendulus on October 01, 2013, 03:29:09 AM
Here's where to opt-out of certain junk mail supposedly: DMAchoice.org (http://DMAchoice.org)
http://blog.kamens.us/2009/09/23/dma-site-is-not-only-broken-but-insecure/


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: TheButterZone on October 01, 2013, 03:49:11 AM
"I get a boner for alarm system advertisements."


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: goxed on October 01, 2013, 05:22:50 AM
It's ticked!


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: lightfoot on October 01, 2013, 04:29:24 PM
I am still amazed though that the Senate democrats are willing to "bring the government to a stand-still" (their phrase, not mine) over one piece of funding.
Odd. All the House has to do is send over a simple bill saying "fund the govt". Why is that a problem? Why is Obamacare even in this discussion?

Why not put "Every American gets $10,000 in bitcoins" for that matter?


Title: Re: The Clock is Ticking - Will there be a Government shutdown and how to prepare?
Post by: Gimmelfarb on October 01, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
Couldn't find USPS actual opt-out in a cursory Google search.

More on this:
http://www.today.com/id/18530707/ns/today-money/t/sick-mailbox-full-flyers-credit-card-offers/
http://consumerist.com/2008/03/13/8-ways-to-opt-out-of-junk-mail-lists/

There is none.  the USPS cannot stop mail that is destined for your address except in specific circumstances.  One way is that if, in your mind, the material is "erotically arousing or sexually provocative" you can stop it with Form 1500 http://about.usps.com/forms/ps1500.pdf.  Some people claim all the junk mail they get fits under this category since that is the only way to get the USPS to stop it.

sweet so i just have to say that all the junk mail i get is sexually arousing and therefore i cannot take delivery? gold!!