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Title: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: jubalix on September 30, 2013, 07:14:32 PM
If i understand correctly,
[1] PPC takes a lot less power to keep the system secure
[2] Transactions cost more, but you can mint to cover some of this
[3] Inflation is low, eg much lower than LTC, and similar to btc (not sure about this)
[4] inflation some what cancelled out by high transaction fees??

accordingly does PPC make a better long term storage of wealth than BTC?


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: StewartJ on November 10, 2013, 03:03:34 AM
The way I view PPC from am investment standpoint...

- After Btc and Ltc... its entrenched as the defacto 3rd alt coin
- It has the third largest market capitalization, past $10 million now
- It has the novel feature of proof of stake, differing from Btc and Ltc
- its actively traded on btc-e and all the other secondary alt exchanges
- if history of ltc is any indicator, ppc should follow in trade value in the next 1-2 years.

In short, there is no reason for ppc not to be in the $3-$5 range by 2015.

Am going long with ppc here, a bargain at 60¢ each now.

Best,
Stew




Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: bobbahope on November 10, 2013, 04:43:44 AM
Hey,

I found a pretty good answer to this question here

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http://www.reddit.com/r/peercoin/comments/1q6puu/help_me_persuade_my_friend_that_peercoin_litecoin/


Aside from that I think Inflation is going to be very low for the immediate future, as although there is a built in 1 percent annual inflation in the coin, the supplemental inflation from mining is rapidly disappearing as the higher difficulty soars the lower the block reward goes(built in halving of block reward for every 16x increase in difficulty) this is much lower than the inflation rate currently being seen by coins such as Primecoin, Litecoin, or Bitcoin where the minting process is giving a far higher inflation rate.


Secondly I think Peercoin's Proof of Stake is going to be far safer than proof of work, as while proof of work relies on no single person buying enough equipment to  take control of the block chain, Proof of stake just takes that out of consideration, As said person would need to own an enormous chunk of all peercoins to be able to affect transactions so, which becomes increasingly relevent once you realize;

There is no longer any way to get that many peercoins through mining, as even if you point a couple thousand ASIC's at peercoin they will get you quite  a few blocks, but they will also greatly reduce the number of coins minted through mining.

If you try to buy that many coins, it is doable, but it would cause the price of the coin to rise, and by the time you have enough coins to pull off an attack you would have so much money invested that the fall in prices caused by the attack would make it completely unprofitable.

Proof of work has its own reasons for not having 51 or 25 % attacks, but they all rely on faith in that miners won't act selfishly, while Peercoin's proof of work only relys on that anyone who spends enough to buy half to a quarter of peercoins wouldn't go around shooting themselves in the foot, if they ever managed to buy enough coins given that any such large transactions would cause the price to shoot through the roof.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: tazman on November 10, 2013, 06:58:48 PM
Overall I like PPC, but my concern for long term investment COMPARED to Bitcoin is that PPC has no maximum coin cap.  Bitcoin's definite cap of 21 million coins makes it less prone to inflationary forces which can cause the long term price to trend lower.  Most fiat currencies have lost somewhere around 95%-99% of their buying value in the last 100 years, simply because there is no maximum currency cap and printing continues unabated over the decades.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: qu.fadep on November 10, 2013, 07:07:24 PM
If i understand correctly,
[1] PPC takes a lot less power to keep the system secure
[2] Transactions cost more, but you can mint to cover some of this
[3] Inflation is low, eg much lower than LTC, and similar to btc (not sure about this)
[4] inflation some what cancelled out by high transaction fees??

accordingly does PPC make a better long term storage of wealth than BTC?

For me the LTC will die than the PPC will reach at least 10 USB before 2015. BTC will never die but LTC is based on script that could be vulnerable. PPC has the same algoritm of BTC also it has the innovation of proof of stake. This is my opinion. Bye  ::)


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 07:09:37 PM
PPC has potential but I don't see it gaining that much traction.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: DeathProxy on November 10, 2013, 07:18:33 PM
I really like the concept of ppc. If ppc has the enough advertising I'm sure it can rival bitcoin.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 07:21:22 PM
I really like the concept of ppc. If ppc has the enough advertising I'm sure it can rival bitcoin.
There are better POS coins though.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: belltown on November 10, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
does PPC make a better long term storage of wealth than BTC?

No, because in the long term the price of any alt coin is always going down vs Bitcoin. No matter how good the alt coin is.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: daviducsb on November 10, 2013, 07:38:49 PM
What is the easiest way to buy about $1,000 worth of PPC?


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: tacotime on November 10, 2013, 07:43:22 PM
My portfolio is 2 BTC : 5 LTC : 1 PPC.

LTC has by far a better history of price stability than BTC and PPC in my opinion, I considered the latter two more risky but worth a little investment into.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: tacotime on November 10, 2013, 07:44:57 PM
I really like the concept of ppc. If ppc has the enough advertising I'm sure it can rival bitcoin.
There are better POS coins though.

Has anyone implemented a novel non-PPC PoS coin?  I have a detailed proposal that should work given for MC2, but I haven't heard a lot about other systems.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: tazman on November 10, 2013, 07:58:08 PM
does PPC make a better long term storage of wealth than BTC?

No, because in the long term the price of any alt coin is always going down vs Bitcoin. No matter how good the alt coin is.

I can't imagine Bitcoin being the only crypto in the long term.  Many alt coins be successful.  Eventually some will equal or surpase Bitcoin. 


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: QuantPlus on November 10, 2013, 08:13:08 PM

People get car loans/leases every day. It's a baby business transaction.

Imagine taking out $10,000 BTC car loan in October...
Now you owe $20,000 in BTC, baby... and your car is now worth < $10,000.

That's why Bitcoin is a total non-starter as a currency...
But it's gonna do great as a commodity.

Unless an Alt can manage volatility...
By linking it's value to something like gold or a commodity basket...
Or have a professional futures exchange to hedge volatility...
Crypto coins cannot be used in even SIMPLE real world business transactions.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: teddyb797 on November 10, 2013, 08:25:13 PM
the 1% interest makes it a better wealth storage but i don't know if it ever gain as much popularity as bitcoin.

people always value the original, that said ppc is the original pos coin; first of its kind.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: teddyb797 on November 10, 2013, 08:28:10 PM
What is the easiest way to buy about $1,000 worth of PPC?

i think the easiest way is to buy bitcoin through coinbase then buy ppc through btc-e.

but you can give coinmkt or crypto-trade a go, they have direct ppc-usd.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 09:08:47 PM
What is the easiest way to buy about $1,000 worth of PPC?
buy bitcoin first and send it onto an exchange.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Ecurb123 on November 10, 2013, 10:41:12 PM
The way I view PPC from am investment standpoint...

- After Btc and Ltc... its entrenched as the defacto 3rd alt coin
- It has the third largest market capitalization, past $10 million now
- It has the novel feature of proof of stake, differing from Btc and Ltc
- its actively traded on btc-e and all the other secondary alt exchanges
- if history of ltc is any indicator, ppc should follow in trade value in the next 1-2 years.

In short, there is no reason for ppc not to be in the $3-$5 range by 2015.

Am going long with ppc here, a bargain at 60¢ each now.

Best,
Stew




that's pretty much how I see it, now that my block eruptors are useless on btc, they've been full time on ppc


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 10:42:55 PM
My portfolio is 2 BTC : 5 LTC : 1 PPC.

LTC has by far a better history of price stability than BTC and PPC in my opinion, I considered the latter two more risky but worth a little investment into.
LTC is a no no for me. Otherwise that's a good way of handling your portfolio.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Yurizhai on November 10, 2013, 10:49:42 PM
Overall I like PPC, but my concern for long term investment COMPARED to Bitcoin is that PPC has no maximum coin cap.  Bitcoin's definite cap of 21 million coins makes it less prone to inflationary forces which can cause the long term price to trend lower.  Most fiat currencies have lost somewhere around 95%-99% of their buying value in the last 100 years, simply because there is no maximum currency cap and printing continues unabated over the decades.


Do you understand what you're saying? PPC has only been out for a year and it has a lower inflation rate than BTC. Even if you were born today you will not see 100 million PPC before you died. Also it technically does have a cap which is 2 billion, but again most people on this board won't even see 50 million in their lifetime.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 10:57:47 PM
Do you understand what you're saying? PPC has only been out for a year and it has a lower inflation rate than BTC. Even if you were born today you will not see 100 million PPC before you died. Also it technically does have a cap which is 2 billion, but again most people on this board won't even see 50 million in their lifetime.
NVC is a better example of less inflation  :D


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Yurizhai on November 10, 2013, 11:06:39 PM
Do you understand what you're saying? PPC has only been out for a year and it has a lower inflation rate than BTC. Even if you were born today you will not see 100 million PPC before you died. Also it technically does have a cap which is 2 billion, but again most people on this board won't even see 50 million in their lifetime.
NVC is a better example of less inflation  :D

Yeah so is BitBar.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: freethink2013 on November 10, 2013, 11:08:05 PM
anyone putting decent amounts of money into anything but bitcoin and maybe ltc is a fool.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 11:11:14 PM
Yeah so is BitBar.
Wrong, dying coin bar.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Yurizhai on November 10, 2013, 11:13:33 PM
anyone putting decent amounts of money into anything but bitcoin and maybe ltc is a fool.

Unless you can see the future you're already wrong. My investment in PPC has already quadrupled and it's market cap is at all time high. Did you see how many coins grew in value with this week when BTC exploded? If anything interest in BTC increases interest and value in currencies in general.

Yeah so is BitBar.
Wrong, dying coin bar.

Dying? It's been dead forever..


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 10, 2013, 11:23:39 PM
Wrong, dying coin bar.

Dying? It's been dead forever..
That's another way of putting it.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: tacotime on November 11, 2013, 12:22:17 AM
My portfolio is 2 BTC : 5 LTC : 1 PPC.

LTC has by far a better history of price stability than BTC and PPC in my opinion, I considered the latter two more risky but worth a little investment into.
LTC is a no no for me. Otherwise that's a good way of handling your portfolio.

LTC has so much more volume than PPC that I would say it's really unwise not to invest in it.  The value of LTC is that it was the first real alt currency, and now that it's traded in a multitude of exchanges it has immense value from speculative trading against Bitcoin alone.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Yurizhai on November 11, 2013, 02:12:57 AM
My portfolio is 2 BTC : 5 LTC : 1 PPC.

LTC has by far a better history of price stability than BTC and PPC in my opinion, I considered the latter two more risky but worth a little investment into.
LTC is a no no for me. Otherwise that's a good way of handling your portfolio.

LTC has so much more volume than PPC that I would say it's really unwise not to invest in it.  The value of LTC is that it was the first real alt currency, and now that it's traded in a multitude of exchanges it has immense value from speculative trading against Bitcoin alone.

Lover or hater, can't deny LTC has a lot of support. It's also been out twice as long as PPC though.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Gumbork on November 11, 2013, 02:20:17 AM
No, Feathercoin is better then PPC.....


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Yurizhai on November 11, 2013, 02:35:12 AM
No, Feathercoin is better then PPC.....

Good one.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Brewins on November 11, 2013, 02:59:37 AM
i like the idea of PPC i just think its not going to be able to overtake BTC in long term value


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: Lauda on November 11, 2013, 02:07:26 PM
No, Feathercoin is better then PPC.....
This is wrong on every level.


Title: Re: Is PPC a better store of long term value than BTC
Post by: jubalix on November 12, 2013, 09:59:14 AM

People get car loans/leases every day. It's a baby business transaction.

Imagine taking out $10,000 BTC car loan in October...
Now you owe $20,000 in BTC, baby... and your car is now worth < $10,000.

That's why Bitcoin is a total non-starter as a currency...
But it's gonna do great as a commodity.

Unless an Alt can manage volatility...
By linking it's value to something like gold or a commodity basket...
Or have a professional futures exchange to hedge volatility...
Crypto coins cannot be used in even SIMPLE real world business transactions.

at cap out point though it should be stable or steady state, eg it will reach a natural market percentage and that it, at that point it may be very hard to influence the price that much because there wont be enough entities left with free cash/resources that are prepared to do this.