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Been reading some of satoshis posts from 2010. Does anyone know of any attempts to perform linguistic analysis of his many posts? It seems to be quite particular in style and vernacular but i'm no expert.   

Any info here would be greatly appreciated- i find the question of his identity fascinating

Me too... I wonder if is there any info that can guarantee that he's a native English speaker or if is there any spelling mistake that can lead to believing that he can be Japanese.

Another thing that I noticed is that he was (or is) humble in his words. That's why I'm pretty sure Craig Wright isn't the real SM. An arrogant and anti-social person like him could never be the same person who was willing to help/create the (inexistent) crypto community at the time.

This Craig scammer is being sued for stealing BTC from one of the BTC creators.`
(Read more here: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/26/17055102/craig-wright-satoshi-lawsuit-dave-kleiman-stolen-bitcoin)

A question that I'm thinking is, wouldn't be Kleiman the real SM? Well, he's dead atm but who knows?

Yes, there have been several Linguistic and Stylometric analysis made to determine who Satoshi Nakamoto is based on his/her/their style of writing. The Bitcoin Whitepaper, Satoshi's posts on the Bitcointalk forum and some of his replies / responses on Ning.com (http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/profile/SatoshiNakamoto) were used to analyze how his writing style would match with those who published related papers - Mainly few written by Nick Sazbo where he wrote about BitGold and B-Money by Wei Dai.

Few references of linguistic analysis for your reading:

https://towardsdatascience.com/stylometric-analysis-satoshi-nakamoto-294926cdf995
https://www.coindesk.com/linguistic-researchers-name-nick-szabo-author-bitcoin-whitepaper/
https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

Also, do remember that take most of these research and analysis with a pinch of salt. Although they're a very interesting read, there's no certain way to prove it just by linguistics as it may be strikingly possible to find writings of few people to be similar.

Interesting attempt to track and maybe identify who the real Satoshi is. But it seems futile because Satoshi wanted to be remain faceless when he created Bitcoin and when he eventually handed over the development to the right hands. What's important is what Bitcoin has done and where it's going.

Thanks for the links. It was an interesting read. If you read the readers' comments, you will find that people even analysed the times that the Satoshi's posts have been submitted and came to interesting conclusions. Still, there is nothing that undoubtly prooves Satoshi's identity, those are clues only.

he hides himself for years already. he could have deleted all his posts and tracks but leave. i think its better for us to respect what he wants
he made all these things possible right now i think all these are something to be grateful to him but leave him as private as he wants. besides you won't be earning anything if you learn who he is.

It doesn't matter who Satoshi is. What matters is that he brings the world block chain technology and bitcoin, which is a huge asset to the whole market, and it will drive the development of technology.

Yeah, I recall a similar question asked pretty recently, the search for Satoshi started many years ago, shortly after his/their disappearance. Investigative journalists, naturally, tried to track him/them down using exactly this kind of analysis, but I suppose there simply wasn't enough written material available, even with the volumes that Satoshi did produce.

xdrpx shares quite interesting reads on Szabo, but one of the most compelling pieces I found that should merit mention is this guy:
https://www.fastcompany.com/1785445/bitcoin-crypto-currency-mystery-reopened

As he notes, a lot of red herrings and probably deliberate attempts by Satoshi to keep inconsistent writing styles to render lingustic analysis somewhat inaccurate.

I think that people who work with Satoshi Nakamoto had the greatest opportunity to find out more about him,and maybe some of them know something more,but to this day kept the vow of silence.Every attempt to analyze his linguistic will not reveal a lot of details,except is he/she native english speaker from UK or North America or Japanese which is excellent in english writing.

By analyzed data most of investigators conclude that there is a great possibility that person who write Bitcoin White Paper and person who exchange e-mails are not same person.So conclusion is that it's about more people then only one.

One of the a person who is involved from the very beginning in BTC development is Hal Finney (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155054.0),and he is write on this forum his opinion about Satoshi Nakamoto :

Thanks for the responses all, really appreciate it, on my way to checking out all those links. Before seeing any responses I geeked out and went through most of satoshis posts from 2009-2010(on bitcointalk); here are what seem to be the most idiosyncratic bits, and notes on spelling variations:

satoshi's vernacular/style:

-I don't question that GPL is a good license for operating systems- (license-American English)
-I did a rough tally of 4000 blocks-
-(more experience in Windows than Linux)-
-Bitcoin is still very new and has not been independently analysed.- (Analyse- British english)
-Nothing against GPL per-se, but Bitcoin is an MIT license project-  (license-American English)
-The foreground is now exactly the same colour as the BC in the old one. (Colour-British English)
//contra: -I have to guess it has something to do with your display color depth selection.- (color- American English)
-The screen just goes haywire.-
-If we get too big, then by the same token, we're big enough that we don't need IRC-
- it gets too swamped with moochers using them for free bandwidth.-
- Any site that gets well known has to become more aggressively pay-naggy to cover bandwidth costs-
-do transactions without being full blown nodes.-
-Hurray!  We have our first language.-
-This is now fixed in the SVN version. 1) Menu bar default color.- (color- American English)
-The design supports a tremendous variety of possible transaction types that I designed years ago.- (written in 2010)
-massive development and maintenance hassle for me.-
-I would have to air a lot of disclaimers- (air- American english?)
-They've got it awfully buried considering 9 out of 10 users are used to having it on the right.-
-Most programs are a bunch of memory access, comparisons and branching, they rarely get down to cranking away at maths for very long.-
- Like cash, you don't keep your entire net worth in your pocket, just walking around money for incidental expenses.-
-BTW, I did come to my senses after that brief bout with 1.3-
-Sorry to be a wet blanket.  Writing a description for this thing for general audiences is bloody hard.  There's nothing to relate it to. (this screams British to me!)
-and let it start over downloading the block chain again. -
-Sorry to be a wet blanket.-
-A rough back-of-the-envelope example:-
-Correct me if I'm wrong (please, and I'll gladly eat crow) -
-WikiLeaks has kicked the hornet's nest, and the swarm is headed towards us-
-and get mad at the pool operator-
-and I'll keep my own tally or static record of them-
-ribuck's description is spot on-
-poedit reorganised the file for some reason- (British variant of organise)
- If it jumbles the order -
- nip in the bud-
-It ramps up the fee requirement -

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US/UK variant words checked: centre vs center fibre vs fiber defense vs defence  organise labor behaviour maneuver traveling vs travelling colour analyse (UK) offence (UK)



I bet a proper analysis of times of day at which satoshi was most active would be an interesting clue also..

.. also, I would like to thank Adderall for the 3 hours of hyper focus that could never normally be justified!!!

@xdrpx
..interesting, so  Nick Szabo seems to be the best guess out there??
would love to see any links to his bio if possible..

@pantroglodytes: "you will find that people even analysed the times that the Satoshi's posts have been submitted and came to interesting conclusions." Just read this, any links to these analyses?

@Buwaytress: thanks, my fav article so far!

@electronicash @Mohamme
#sweet lemons  ;)

Good idea for research  :) People are very interested in Satoshi and I think everybody wants to know a little bit more about this person

It is interesting that people are fascinated with knowing the true identity of satoshi. Most of his posts don't give any true indication to where exactly he is from.
If he is from outside the UK or USA his English is excellent.
I like the fact that his true identity is unknown it adds to the lore of bitcoin. If we were to learn his true identity what then?

I don't think too much can be read in to this because I find that I do it myself also, I am a native English (British) speaker but often times find that I don't bother to change things from the US spelling when writing here on the forum. Sometimes I even accept the recommendations to change words such as specialise to specialize.

When you get the check his profile also you will amaze that you are seeing the profile of cryptos father 'Satoshi Nakamoto' I was research about when entered into the forum onwards but he is completely anonymous in every way of the contact to the outer world.
I went through his anonymous mails as well and used that once too. As of now Some people are saying that he is from Japan and other side thought is he may be Aussies guy. Not sure about his linguistics.

Sure thing, here you are - have a look at the last reader's comment under the link from xdrpx's post: https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/

One more thing: there were many suggestions to Satoshi's identity above but it seems that Mike Hearn connection is missing, it has been mentioned here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146520.0;all
And I think it is very compelling, too

Yes, I think their should be some expert study on his post history on bitcointalk and I think we can surely find some clues about his identity. I really find this interesting as the post history of the founder account is great to study. We can really get a closer look on the knowledge of the creator of the first cryptocurrency Bitcoin.

Thank you for the links!
This is truly fascinating matter, i just recently found out that there are his posts at this very forum. Such a treat of mystery!

Another hunt for the legend and since you are comparing the linguistic analysis i would say he is from a common wealth country,what ever conclusion anyone come up with will not make any difference unless the man behind the real deal could prove that he could sign in from his old wallet that is know or from the genesis block because that is the only sensible thing that could prove the identity.

..sorry if double posting- windows 10 defecated in the proverbial bed..

Thank you @pantroglodytes:

"One more thing: there were many suggestions to Satoshi's identity above but it seems that Mike Hearn connection is missing, it has been mentioned here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146520.0;all
And I think it is very compelling, too!"

Best article i've read so far!

It's always been mine as well regarding this topic! The old HistoryOfBitcoin timeline also names the three guys in the article (who submitted the cryptographic patent). In investigative journalism, you seek out coincidences like this and over time realise that there's a pattern or logic to coinciding events. I'm no longer a journalist but the memory good old days of spending months hunting down leads for a big story sometimes makes me wish I'd get off my ass and look up some of these forgotten personalities. Not so much to discover who Satoshi is/was, but for the surely interesting insight we'd gain from catching up with these guys again.

An enduring enigma of our times, this!

I am glad I could offer a valuable reference.
I have been thinking, what if one of those clues that me and others have been referring to above, was left deliberately by Satoshi himself to create even more confusion on the subject? It is an interesting possibility, aint it?

Hello everyone guys. I would like to share my happiness. At last, I finally took the first monitor out of the project, the first profit was posted by me in December 2017 and now I withdrew quite a decent percentage. I am absolutely happy with the project

Satoshi's did a Bernard MadOff years ago but recently he was wanted in connection with $5bn
going missing but we all know around here that he is Jesus and won't hear a word said against
him but they will be more than happy to blame mr invisible if prices crash back down to cents again.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/bitcoin-latest-craig-wright-sued-cryptocurrency-dave-kleiman-lawsuit-inventor-satoshi-nakamoto-claim-a8230976.html


Satoshi is not to be blamed for the Lightning Network, Bankers are behind that move but you can call them whales if you like.

Addition: Just learned that Satoshi's Birthday (a la bitcointalk profile) is 5th April- the final day of UK tax year. Not sure if this is meaningful but i thought it could be interesting..

Well he was known to spell in American and English. This could point to the fact it is a group or it could point to the fact English isn't his first language but this Imo doesn't narrow down the chase for him.