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Well Bitcointalk has been down for a few days, but I kept myself amused by reading all the angry butthurt drug junkie blockchain.info messages who lost all their coins. See, when mummy and daddy told you not to take drugs you should of listened. Anyway I'll get the FBI phone number if you like, so you can call and get your coins back.  :D

In fairness, some non-druggies were using the opportunity to voice their opinions, I'm not talking about those.

1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX should be printed on a t-shirt.

Secondly, what if a poster on said address declared that all his contributions are considered a loan, wouldn't that make it more difficult for the FBI to liquidate the funds IF they do have access to private key?

omg u actually wake up and live this personality of yours...  a hell on earth ye have to bear

Some Silk Road users sold perfectly legal items, like art and books. I wonder if any of the legitimate users will be asking the FBI for their coins back?

even if they did, they wouldn't be released until after the case is settled..  they can get them then

just like any body of evidence

Some good quotes there.

They could have used more legal sites, such as Bitmit, or the forum Marketplace.

No.  No.  Legal means legal.  If I sell a hot dog on the same corner as a drug dealer, are my profits subject to confiscation? 

If there's reasonable suspicion that your profits can be linked to the criminal activity (for example, you might have been a money laundering accomplice of the drug dealer), why not?
In any investigation concerning criminal financial activities, accounts are frozen until it has been determined what funds are criminal gains, and what funds are "innocent" money that just happens to be parked in an account. Like it or not, this is pretty normal and has nothing to do with the fact that in this case bitcoins were confiscated.

In the SR case, determining which sums are legal and must be returned to their owners might be difficult - I somehow doubt that DPR earmarked the funds with a legal/illegal flag.

Onkel Paul

Hahahah that's so awesome. The bitcoin world moves so fast, it's amazing.
What can happen in one month in the "real" world happens every day in this world.
And it's all publicly accessible with one click of your mouse.

But if you sold them at an illegal dog fight pit they might be.

No. SR was not an "illegal place". Something illegal has been done there, but the website itself was not illegal. If someone is selling a stolen good on ebay, will everything sold there be illegal too? Of course not. They seized all the bitcoins they've found in the accounts, but I'm pretty sure that those belonging to (the few) people selling legal stuff there, could be (legally) returned back to the legit owner once the case is closed.

Have any of these legit users approached the authority holding the coins in question?

How the fuck does one ask something to the FBI? WHO is the FBI? I mean, do we have a phone number dor such cases, would be very funny.
Not that I had ever heard of that site dispite being in the community for over 2 years...

Also need to consider the SR users who have bought drugs that are legal in their country.

FBI Headquarters
935 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, D.C. 20535-0001
(202) 324-3000

I thought that the FBI had deemed SR to be an illegal enterprise.  I can't find any source on that though, so I could be wrong.

What if I stated that each post you make in here from this point on constitutes your promise to pay me one bitcoin?

What if I declare myself an ordained POEE priest?

Similar to how when Megaupload was seized, all user data was seized as well, regardless if it violated copyright law. It sucks but it's the way it works.

Some of these transactions are hilarious. I'm a firm believer in self reliance and self control. If you want to do drugs, go for it. No victim no crime.

Why go through all the trouble if they're just art or books? 

Can we eventually debunk this victimless crime myth once and for all.

http://www.rgj.com/article/20130414/COL01/304140051/Bill-O-Reilly-Still-think-drug-abuse-victimless-crime-?nclick_check=1

Observe the paragraph:


Victimless; my arse!

Which studies? How were they conducted?

"up to 70 percent" leaves a lot of room of manipulation

No idea. Maybe ask the website owner. Let us know how you get on.

-100 for quoting O'Reilly.

World Health Organisation:

Global Deaths:

Tobacco           5.1 million
Alcohol             2.25 million
Illegal Drugs      250,000

https://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX

There is someone really sending 253 BTC to this address?
https://blockchain.info/de/tx/c99eab8a071d91ce60de038c0d6bff8a51d9f566ef977edc91f6bcf091b7c06f

Public Note:

Google Translater:

Thankyou. Someone that agrees it's not victimless then. Now we are getting somewhere.

It's victim is the person who CHOSE to do the drugs. No one forces you to do drugs but yourself. Stop listening / watching O'reilly. It's bad for your mental health.

for the first time in history we can publicly and anonymously rickroll our oppressors! god bless bitcoin!

This is crazy o,O

Looks like someone fscked up bad...

Please be serious, NO, no one is sending 253 BTC to that address. With this I mean not a "random" one.
This must come from the FBI, sending other coins to the cold wallet where they already collected the BTC seized.

Now my questions are:
- does this mean they are still discovering, identifying and emptying new wallets, maybe from DPR's laptop?
- why the Brasilian quote?

EDIT: as you can see, it's a transaction coming from a bunch of wallets. If you dig futher on, you will see that almost all of them have 2  transactions, only one in. And only one out to the (in)famous FBI address. Most likely some SR users' wallets, or wallets used to collect commissions by DPR.

That note is not from that transaction you posted.
This is the correct one: https://blockchain.info/tx/44913294fe7885023681377fc939ac67b70c93e96cb57e64be7ab19dc2e4fc69

Thanks Psy! This seems to confirm that it's the FBI stashing more bitcoins from SR's accounts. Still:
- does this mean they are still discovering, identifying and emptying new wallets, maybe from DPR's laptop?

I would almost bet those are transactions that are still arriving to the SR hot wallets. From dudes who have SR addresses as payout address in pools, or maybe some stolen money from one of the numerous bitcoin heists that happened in the past (tainting the feds coins ;D)

They went through a node in luxembourg ... does that mean anything?

It means one node in Luxembourg was the first to relay the transaction to blockchain.info or wherever you got the node IP address from.

whois at blockchain.info ...

As I know and sincerely hope, the FBI's agents are working in the US, and I think there should be a lot of nodes near nearer than Luxembourg. So I wondering why the bits fly this pretty stupid way a long way round to receive its first relay ... maybe they were sent via TOR?

That's the way decentralized/distributed p2p networks work. In Bitcoins' case it's decentralized, but you could watch a similar routing/relaying behaviour on a distributed network also.

http://cffn.ca/img/articles/Centralized-Decentralized-And-Distributed-System.jpg

If you still don't understand it after the above example, not sure what else to tell you.

This is good news! 

Dope dealing scum deserve what they get.

And the rest of us deserve a stake in a legitimate currency.

Bitcoin wins because it makes online transfers cheap and easy, not because scum use it.

i love statistics like upto 70%.. as that means anything from 1-70 is correct... UPTO being the keyword

LOL - quoting o'reillly as a source!?  hilarious!

Tobacco                  5.1 million
Alcohol                   2.25 million
Illegal Drugs           250,000
Death by Chocolate      ?

Exactly. The key point is though, it isn't 0%.

That would make for one heck of a long shirt XD

It's interesting that more coins are seized (not talking about those trolling tx) as of today. It seems that no one except DPR holds the private key of the SR hot wallet. If someone else in his team holds the key, they should have had moved the coins before FBI transfers them.

Not if it was in small font.

Or, we could print what the acronym FTAAZXHUXRCNLBTMDQCWOGNNXQX stands for.

Surely, 1F1 is not the FBI's vanity address/FirstBits, or is it?

No, it's 1f1taa. Removing the last "a" leads to a different addy.

They could easily file an internet crime case with the FBI, and report that their property was stolen

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

You are correct, but I was making fun of the FBI, with them thinking that THEY create the vanity address 1F1 for themselves.

Isn't it odd that FBI still fails to understand that there may be a backup copy of privkey somewhere?  They have not moved the coins to an address they created! I would be breaking a drop of sweat per second...

2013-10-02 10:12:18 was the time of the first transaction, and if the FBI office that did this is located on the East Coast, then that would equate to 6:12:18 AM local time.

Also, I believe the FBI had help with the transfer from some Bitcoiner knowing how to do this, for the next, and subsequent transactions were closely time.

Why do you say that? Where have you got this info from?

Assuming 1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX was under DPR's control before he got arrested, it is likely he's got backup copies of the corresponding private key somewhere. We all back up our wallets, right? Multiple copies of paper wallets in different locations?  Brain wallet?  Somebody else may get hold of a copy of this private key (which was supposedly sitting unencrypted on one of the imaged servers), or DPR may covertly pass on the private key to someone. FBI and prosecutors might wake up one morning just to find out that their "seized assets" have disappeared from their custody because they were too lazy to read and understand how Bitcoin works.

would've laughed my ass off if they'd made a vanity 1FBI for this one :D

That's exaclty what (in my opinion) you got wrong. A brief analysis of that wallet will tell you (as discussed already in another thread) that is more than likely that the wallet was created and firstly used by the FBI. The first transaction was on the 2nd of October, and you can see that that one, and all the following ones, are collective transactions coming from multiple wallets, each one having only one single transaction before being moved to 1F1Aa. Exactly what you would expect in the following scenario: FBI got access to those wallets and all their private keys, created a cold offline wallet to hold the seized bitcoins, moved there every bitcoin found in those wallets. You will also see that in the last two days (apart from small transaction to leave and send a message to FBI) there are other transactions going on (25,10, 30, 15 btc..). As more than one member suggested, they are most likely standing payments to the SR accounts' owners (or pool mining fees) that where not revoked.

Does it make sense? Cheers! :)

Thanks for pointing out, I feel better now.

I suspect that the FBI at this point probably has a few people in the agency that are bitcoin experts. Bitcoin isn't exactly rocket science to understand, and the FBI has some incredibly bright people working for it (I didn't say running it necessarily). I would wager that the US government in some agency or another has someone that probably counts as one of the foremost experts on Bitcoin. Gavin has talked to the CIA in the past, we all assume intelligence agencies visited the early conferences, and why wouldn't someone in the FBI be interested in Bitcoin the same way that lots of us have totally different real lives? :-)

I wish I had this many bitcoins...  :(

What about Quoting the ORLY owl?

http://www.gabrielweinberg.com/blog/images/O-RLY-YA-RLY.jpg

Btw: Who of u guys would buy a Tshirt that only has the FBI Seized BTC Wallet ID as PrintOn? :D

Right, and the SR was a busy street corner.

But no reason to denigrate honest, tax paying companies. They very support of our society.

They would be if you was both operating from the same kiosk.

http://blockchain.info/address/1F1tAaz5x1HUXrCNLbtMDqcw6o5GNn4xqX
Now final balance is 29,496.74824864 BTC

This is weird.  A lot of the inputs to those big transactions into that account are "dust" that cost more to transfer than they actually contain.

SR was an illegal enterprise, I believe.

I'm pretty sure using it was illegal, so your funds are subject to confiscation.