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Title: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: adamstgBit on October 11, 2013, 02:52:06 PM


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: TERA on October 11, 2013, 03:17:49 PM
The other poll was not about where it would stabilize but where it would peak (bottom).


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Miz4r on October 11, 2013, 03:46:34 PM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: derpinheimer on October 11, 2013, 04:01:51 PM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: BitChick on October 11, 2013, 04:11:59 PM
$500M at once?  Do you have some insider information?  ;)


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Miz4r on October 11, 2013, 04:26:01 PM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: adamstgBit on October 11, 2013, 04:31:36 PM
no way to know

someone dumping in this fashion could make people think someone has found a way to make real money out of thin air!  :o


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: log2exp on October 11, 2013, 04:33:26 PM
Price can be high in thousands, given that low percentage coins acting like a leverage on pricing.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: derpinheimer on October 11, 2013, 05:10:00 PM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: yayayo on October 11, 2013, 10:58:12 PM
It would jump into the $ 1000-2000 range then crash massively and stabilize around $ 300.

I don't think such a pump desirable... we need solid growth not extreme volatility. So I hope the proposed buyer acts accordingly and buys tiny chunks over a longer period. ;D


ya.ya.yo!


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Miz4r on October 11, 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.

Oh yes you're right please explain silly old me how the market works oh enlightened one.  ::)


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: theonewhowaskazu on October 12, 2013, 12:40:58 AM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.

Oh yes you're right please explain silly old me how the market works oh enlightened one.  ::)

I think he's implying (and he's right, to an extent, but I highly doubt millions) that people would bandwaggon.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: dree12 on October 12, 2013, 12:59:30 AM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.

Oh yes you're right please explain silly old me how the market works oh enlightened one.  ::)

I think he's implying (and he's right, to an extent, but I highly doubt millions) that people would bandwaggon.

Not after a sudden 1000% jump, at least in the Bitcoin world. People would instead be selling on every other exchange as everyone starts yelling about another exchange hacked.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Le Happy Merchant on October 12, 2013, 02:49:23 AM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.

Oh yes you're right please explain silly old me how the market works oh enlightened one.  ::)

I think he's implying (and he's right, to an extent, but I highly doubt millions) that people would bandwaggon.

As of this very second, it would take $10.66 million to reach $1391/BTC on Mt.Gox.

If somebody put in a $500 million market order on gox, the price it would reach is as high as the first seller that realizes what is happening is able to set it.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: derpinheimer on October 12, 2013, 03:10:49 AM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.

Oh yes you're right please explain silly old me how the market works oh enlightened one.  ::)

I think he's implying (and he's right, to an extent, but I highly doubt millions) that people would bandwaggon.

As of this very second, it would take $10.66 million to reach $1391/BTC on Mt.Gox.

If somebody put in a $500 million market order on gox, the price it would reach is as high as the first seller that realizes what is happening is able to set it.

Exactly.

And afterwards, the price would stabilize well over $1000, probably in the tens of thousands.

$500Mill USD is probably more than the amount of money invested in Bitcoin so far by a long shot. Double at least.

But the peak from the order would be well in to the millions. There are already asks on Gox for just this scenario. No one would be able to get astronomical asks hit beyond the first few seconds after the buy, but some would as..

During the order, probably in to the thousands (assuming Gox engine still isnt instantaneous orders), someone would have made another market order thinking, "Shit! Train is leaving without me" However, they cannot cancel the order, and it would execute after the price was brought in to the millions.

Of course with so much money entering the system the price would have to go up a lot.

Who would sell at $150 (Aside from some poor souls who placed asks during the order execution) after the price was just a million? Not many, thats for sure.



Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Shallow on October 12, 2013, 04:22:19 AM
Is there even an exchange with an orderbook that could cover that kind of volume?


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Walsoraj on October 12, 2013, 04:30:55 AM
Poll does not include six and seven figure options. Therefore it fails.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: cowandtea on October 13, 2013, 02:45:50 PM
It would be $100,000 per Bitcoin...


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: notme on October 14, 2013, 12:09:28 AM
So I'm curious about the specifications for this question. given that a market order would entirely clear gox (and also bitstamp/ any other exchange even if all were used simultaneously), what does Mr rich troll do then? Wait with the remaining cash until new asks are placed?

Largest bidwall ever.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: TERA on October 14, 2013, 12:13:58 AM
It depends how high of an order the exchange allows. So it could theoretically be an order for 1 bitcoin at $400,000,000USD,  or one satoshi at $40,000,000,000,000,000USD/BTC...

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs36/f/2008/253/3/e/Over_9000_dollars_by_8bitpikachu.jpg


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: Erdogan on October 14, 2013, 10:35:47 AM
Well the current market cap is around $1.5B, so adding $500M alone would approximately increase the price by around 33%. So I think the price will at the minimum stabilize around $180 after peaking at $1500 or higher. Probably a bit higher around $200-300 because of its speculative effect.

Peaking at 1500? Lol wut?

It would clearly be well in to the millions for a peak.

But I'd expect stabilization >10k.

For only $500M pumped into the market? That's nowhere near enough to pump the price up into the 10000s much less millions.

Yes, yes it is.

You dont seem to understand how the market works.

Oh yes you're right please explain silly old me how the market works oh enlightened one.  ::)

Not a single bitcoin has to be traded, it is only necessary to have a revaluation on the part of the market participants, and a few small trades to discover the price. Im am sure there will be volume though, because the revaluation will not be the same for all traders. The new traders represent the bulk of the valuation change, permabulls will not change.


Title: Re: [poll] Imagine the biggest pump of all time.
Post by: theonewhowaskazu on October 15, 2013, 03:29:58 AM

Lol, totally saving this one.