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This is a good time that showed how the king bitcoin affected all altcoins, so BCash people betraying bitcoin must have taken their lesson: Promote your altcoin, do not badmouth bitcoin, that is what I say. If BTC goes down, your crappy altcoin will go down harder. It is us coiners against the nocoiners and there is no point in fighting for short-term gain.
Bitcoin is like the earth, and the altcoins are like the seeds. If you salt the earth, your seeds will not grow. Bitcoin is the king and everyone has to buy bitcoin to be able to purchase altcoins.

You are absolutely right, all the altcoin need to follow the trend of BTC, including Bitcoin cash.
BCash is the same other altcoin and the BCash supporter should not try to blaim BTC.

Your voicing out what most bitcoin enthusiast must have done a long time ago, those who dump bitcoin because of bitcoincash are insanely greedy and hypocrites, after profiting from bitcoin for a long time all of the sudden, they attack it and pull it down to promote they’re shitcoin. For them loyalty means money and those are a betrayal act.

very true, but also you are missing a very important fact.

the fact that it doesn't matter if it is BCash or anything else, they are all getting dumped because of one simple reason: they are all useless.

the only usage these altcoins have is for speculation and the very same reason led to big bubbles in each of them which is bursting. if they had any usage that would have saved their values.

Certainly, we should invest and support Bitcoin in the first place, that will be profitable for most people, but we have to admit, that there are coins, that aren't much worse. Take Litecoin, for instance, it hasn't dropped yet, when BTC has.

Just take a look at @bitcoin twitter account at https://twitter.com/Bitcoin
The account is not bitcoin, it is bcash. Still bad mouthing bitcoin and promoting bcash, not understanding that we are in the same boat. If nocoiners sink it, we will all go down. I will definitely write this on their account, and I invite you to do the same.
https://twitter.com/Bitcoin/status/971668884074856448

Sad that whoever is behind this account got to change his account to "Bitcoin" quick and he got it himself. You don't have to worry about it, BCash is going down and its far from the ATH that we've seen before so everyone will just go back to bitcoin. I'm also concerned with new coiner/investor will buy on this account, they might be lead in the wrong way.
True and not only Bcash but other alts as well.

And you think most people would get this fact but just yesterday I saw a reddit post about how we should all abandon BTC and how BTC is screwing over the whole market. I couldn't barely believe my eyes but people do think BTC is poisonous and useless, couldn't be further from the truth :D.

When you go altcoin section you see bcash threads there. Their words was meaningless from the start. Trying to betray BTC and scamming newbie people was not a good idea at all

I wrote all this on their twitter account, and I invite you to do the same. Maybe more people will see the truth right on the source.

On point. Bitcoin is the main currency of the cryptocurrency and blockchain space. This is the main source of everything crypto related. Bitcoin crash = Alt crash. Accept that fact.

Yup, probably controlled by the same people who run Bitcoin.com and r/btc. They lure in unsuspecting victims with the misleading handles, then only ever talk about Bitcoin Cash.

I honestly have nothing against the project because it's really just another way of addressing the scalability problem, but the intentional misleading just makes me want to never get involved with them ever.

That being said, I don't think this recent slump has anything to do with Bitcoin vs. Bitcoin Cash. It's just the market continuing to be bearish.

Bullseye, Bitcoin is like a benchmark in the crypto currency market. If bitcoin price is not going well all altcoins will likely follow that trend. This is one of the reason  why bitcoin  is called the king of crypto currency. Bad mouthing bitcoin is like throwing rock at your self.

Nobody has "betrayed" anyone.

In a free market, anyone can fork a coin (it's all open source anyway), and anyone can support any coin they want. That's what freedom is all about.

It's not like we're living in a Stalinist society where people are told what to do!

Yes and then really thought they can overcome bitcoin by creating FUD's left and right. And now bitcoin is down, and they suffer much worst consequences. I hope that they learn their lesson's here that you shouldn't attack bitcoin otherwise you will suffer at the end.


That's why they didn't get enough support from this community because we all know who are the people behind and what are they malicious intention. But its good that they didn't succeed because at the end, everyone who support them will suffer because they are just another pum-and-dump coins.

That's actually the dangerous aspect of Bitcoin Cash, their community (Including Roger Ver) is quite rich and they are trying to use Bitcoin's name by buying everything. Besides the Bitcoin twitter, they also own bitcoin.com, /r/btc and seem to have some interest in a lot of exchanges and block-explorers (blockexplorer.com). I also read that Cobra-bitcoin might be a danger, because he is co-owner of the domain bitcoin.org and is lately tweeting about bitcoin cash philosophy. 

I see that they are very organized, but they will fail because "battling" with your own crowd is always disastrous.

It is an old technique to get monopoly, actually very effective. But it works at the cost of real community driven projects like Bitcoin (core).

I guess I am asking as an individual, what we can do to prevent these destructive people from destroying the bitcoin and taking themselves down along with it.

I don't quite agree with your opinion. First, the Bcash fanboys made enough profits from it, there was a reason why the major so called "fanboys" were supporting bcash.  It was really a nice way to make up some extra money.

Second, nowadays enough options are there to let people buy altcoins without buying bitcoin in the middle, one of them is through ethereum, another is via direct interactions with people willing to sell crypto for fiat or online modes of payment. Things are not like they used to be in the past.

Not much, who has the money has the power. It has always been that way, sadly  :(.

I think it is time to move from oligarchy to meritocracy. This can only be accomplished by bitcoin, blockchain and the like.

yes, bitcoin is a crypto king, and I think it's not just BCash who took a lesson from Bitcoin development in today's correction. but also all altcoins want to get better, so they take a lot of lessons from bitcoin.
BCash also can not be stable when the correction today, so BCash should increase the spreading. :( ;)

Yeah, now that altcoin season is over, they must have realized their mistake. But looking at their twitter account and the web page, it looks like they are turning more positive on bcash, instead of being negative on bitcoin.

The University of Cyprus was the first institution in the world to accept payment for Bitcoin. In our country, this can be considered the Higher School of directors and scriptwriters in St. Petersburg.

The University of Cyprus was the first institution in the world to accept payment for Bitcoin. In our country, this can be considered the Higher School of directors and scriptwriters in St. Petersburg.

Personally, I can't really actually understand why Bitcoin Cash is yet still existed until now. I believe the problems that they claim exists in the Bitcoin and they solved it, right now it's already solved. The widely Segwit adoption and many more already make the BItcoin transaction problems becomes faster and cheaper. We just need to wait for the lighting network to be implemented before all things goes set.

lol, i agree with you, i also see that everyone also throws their altcoin for bitcoin, if only they know that bitcoin is the main reason why altcoin will grow too

Especially now that @bitcoin twitter account is taken away from roger ver and his team, normal bitcoin can relax a little bit more.

That's goes without saying,why are they trying to make bitcoin down? Short term gain? What a shallow people.Most of alt coin depend on bitcoin value and there're many people who new into cryptocurrency only know bitcoin.Just support the king of crypto and all those alts will be taken along to the moon.

I guess I couldn't agree more. I can't predict the future, so I don't know if a another altcoin will do well and find it's own space in crypto world, but right now, if bitcoin goes down, the alts go down harder. Even ethereum, that is a good example of a coin that manage to separate itself from bitcoin, and achieve great value, is still completely tied to what bitcoin does.
I believe some altcoins will have value in the future, but until bitcoin doesn't clear the way in terms of regulation, all the others will just follow its lead.

If we only talk about bitcoin cash here, then I think their future is even darker. They have the short term advantage, but I guess they've got it to soon, and wont be able to use it. Crypto regulation still needs to be clarified, and until that happens there is not way that real adoption will take place. So who cares if bcash could already become a payment method all around the world (which I don't think it can). No one will use it in a mass scale so their slight advantage over BTC is not important right now. Now that lightning network options will start to pop up, that advantage will be gone, and when the road for mass adoption is clear, I don't anyone will choose BCH over BTC.

Hahaha those bitcoin cash fanboys think their bitcoin cash will take the bitcoin's spot as no.1 well good news bitcoin cash is failing as it should be. And also, i think that they are responsible on making spam attack on mempool  and bloated it resulting on high transaction fees very high last year look at the fees now, they are very low even 1 satoshi per byte will confirm within minutes.

The market is dependent on bitcoin valuation and it is not a new discovery and there is no betrayal here, if two groups have conflicting ideas they can come up with their version, this is a free market and the best solution will still hold ground, there are plenty of shit coins in the market, so there is nothing wrong with BCH.

I will use Epsom salt and hope you know that it will help in growing the seeds.  :P and one more thing you do not necessarily need to buy bitcoin to purchase alt coins too.

Bear market should be a wakeup call for bcash fanboys. Wake up and smell the roses, if BTC goes down, you go down!

Well when adoption grows even more and bitcoin is much more successful than today and bcash is (remotely) similarly successful to bitcoin today, everything that has plagued bitcoin (and more) will plague bcash as well. That will remove once and for all the superiority argument from the hands of bcash followers.

Like I always say, Bitcoin is like the earth, and the altcoins are like the seeds. If you salt the earth, your seeds will not grow. Bitcoin is the king and everyone has to buy bitcoin to be able to purchase altcoins.

That is really a striking comment and I totally agree with it. The bitcoin cash loyalist are having ironical statements which is against bitcoin in order to push their popularity and value. But the problem is that bitcoin cash is still dependent on bitcoin and the moment bitcoin crashed bitcoin cash will also crash. Thus if they really wanted bitcoin cash to grow they have to promote it while also promoting bitcoin.

Bitcoincash is being pumped today. See the following graph:

https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_bch

It's at 0.125 btc, so about a 15% rise over the last few days. I wouldn't be surprised if it pumped further - all the alts seem to be pumping at the moment.

You guys probably have heard it before, but here we go:
A “community movement” that has grown to over 600 individuals in just two days is pursuing legal action against Bitcoin.com and its owner, Roger Ver, for deliberately misleading new users into buying Bitcoin Cash (BCH) instead of Bitcoin (BTC).
http://bitcoinist.com/bitcoin-lawsuit-bitcoin-com-ceo-roger-ver/

When ever I hear people mentioning and comparing coin with bitcoin and how it will overtake bitcoin and how speed and every thing about the new coin is faster than bitcoin, I am always surprise at the level of ignorance. Some mention coin level cybermile, NEO, ethereum etc Most of those coin cannot carryout 10% of the transactions bitcoin carryout in a day. That their strong blockchain will slow down.

Yes, you are free to do what you want, but there are some unwritten rules to this game we are playing. When you fork, you create a new coin. <You do not claim that your fork is the original coin that you forked off from> This is where some people are missing the plot.

BCash is a wannabe Bitcoin and now they use dirty tactics to confuse newbies into believing that BCash is the original Bitcoin. They even use Reddit.com/r/BTC as their platform to promote BCash.  ::)

They will always be a fork of the original Bitcoin <BTC> like Bitcoin Gold and nothing more. Fork off and do your own thing and stop being parasitic leeches.  >:(

Yes I fully agree with Kakmakr. The tricks they use are very dangerously close to a scam or an extortion and both practices are forbidden in any country I know. Forbidden and illegal.

There are some testimonials of people who thought that they were purchasing Bitcoin, when in fact, they purchased Bcash. This is fraud at its most basic level. You show the pretty girl but you give the ugly girl (for marriage).

i dare say the BCash fanboys know the real value of bitcoin well enough which is why they are trying so hard to get the "brand name" for themselves. and it is also why they are all buying bitcoin and only pump and dumping BCash.
and the owners (Wu and Ver) are only interested in hard cash. they don't care about bitcoin or Bcash.

Could not agree more. The lawsuit had them turn over. I cannot believe they resort to such measures of "conquering" media outlets for their own benefit.

Those who already have bitcoin are thrown away because bitcoincash is greedy and hypocritical after taking advantage of bitcoin for the old one all of a sudden. They attack and pull it down to promote their bulshitcoin. For them loyalty means money as an act of betrayal.  8)

I quite agree with you on this; Bitcoin seems to be in the middle of all the other digital coins, so it indirectly impacts them good or bad.

I like your statement OP, many people try to bad-mouth Bitcoin in order to raise their coins, but in the end all of them will back to Bitcoin, the reasons are Bitcoin is the best digital currency with huge a transaction volume, all transaction still based on the Bitcoin, and the are real things that you can buy with Bitcoin, alt coin is just a temporary coin that people buy to take profit, and bcash is just another part of alt coin

True. If Bitcoins goes down. Altcoins goes down with it.

allow me to breakdown and tackle some of your points.


many people try to bad mouth bitcoin not because they want to raise their coins but rather they only do it because they dont like bitcoin and they do not believe on bitcoin or any other cryptos because they think that these digital currencies are fake and scam.


Bitcoin isnt the best crypto because bitcoin has a lot of known issues . There are lots of digital currencies that is much more better than bitcoin in my opinion. Also not all transaction are based only on bitcoin because other coins specifically altcoins are only based on etherium and usd price.


Even alts like ripple , bch , eth are also used on most popular online stores and they can also do what bitcoin can do. They can also buy real things or used on a real word transactions offline. Alts arent temporary coins and they arent only for asset purposes because they can also be used as a currency.

BCash is grinding down support from 1150-1104, which would open the door for bears to drop down to $800. If the price manages to breach this support, then it could be problematic for Bitcoin Cash.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/cbovaird/2018/05/22/bitcoin-cash-tumbles-as-it-faces-multiple-headwinds/#f9a39c0de592

You can expect BCash pumpers to crawl out of the shadows to rescue BCash now, but it is going to cost them a lot of money to do that. ^smile^

Everything is going down and it's mainly all those early adopters, devs and millionaires now shoring Bitcoin and everything else so if Bitcoin prize capitulates, say by bye to coinmarketcap and all things crypto. If there is no propping up of the Bitcoin price then everythign else will fall by the wayside and crypto will have been just another failed experiment by the Millennial Lambo generation who were too selfish to actually help see the market grow and expand it.

i thought i did too, but turn out it's more difficult than i really thought

Only one Bitcoin can exist and none of its alternatives or clones are going to survive and the past few months has shown us pretty clearly which Bitcoin is going to exist. If Bcash is trying to survive as a payments coin than it is in for a rude awakening as DAG coins are the future and fee based coins aren't going to survive for long.

Exactly my point. When will bcash fanboys understand that whatever they do against Bitcoin will come back to bite them in the ass?

your speech is very true and I agree with it, just look at how sadistic is Roger Ver's remark that Bitcoin Cash can beat Bitcoin but the reality is different now.

so the conclusion is that all Altcoins have to go to Bitcoin and never hostile to Bitcon.

the BCash fanboys are all caught up in the games that the owners/creators of BCash have been playing and unknowingly they are filling their pockets. for instance the more they advertised BCash the more money Bitmain earned specially with the EDA bullshit.

Yeah, and they have new forks and all kinds of funny business. Anyways, it seems that it will take its place among the other altcoins, if Roger stops with this nonsense. Just accept the truth man, bitcoin is bitcoin, USD is USD and Euro is Euro. If bitcoin goes down, you go down with the ship.

What do you mean no one cant verify? Explain please.
That aside, I think they are trying to create a centralized Chinese coin, which is no different than XRP in my opinion.