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If you rape a woman, who then gives birth to a child that grows up and cures cancer...was it still rape?


It is not rape because there was a benefit from the act.

The outcome is what matters in defining rape, not the act.

It depends upon how much force is used for the sex to determine if it was rape. If it was not a lot of force used then it was not rape.

If the person who raped you is bad/corrupt, then it can be considered rape.

If the government rapes you legally, it cannot be considered illegal. Rape is only the illegal act of forcing someone to have sex. It is the price we pay to live in a civilized society.

Here is a thread full of people who believe that it is only the outcome that matters...not the non-consensual act:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1732082.0

If a person force someone to have sex, This action is complete rape. It does not matter horrible rapist give her or him pleasure. And also, I do not think anyone can have orgasm while they are being raped by someone horribly evil , for sure.

Ok. Let's assume that the woman in question is your wife/mother/sister/daughter.
Do you still think the same?

If you forces your way into having sex with a person then it is already considered as a rape,
You force them even if they don't want it to happen ,Even if they had an orgasm because of it ,It is still a rape.

The vagina will always reproduce a liquid when being touched, its uncontrollable to women, you might as well know. It doesn't give them pleasure but its going to make it easy for a man to enjoy coming into. If its rape, its rape.

It is a rape if it is against your will. If you are not in a relationship and was not in favor of the act. But having orgasms means that you like what was happening physically. But then if you are mentally struggling, i'd say it is rape.

I suppose you realise how controversial what you just wrote is...

Rape is typically defined as the absence of consent. So whether or not a woman has an orgasm is irrelevant. The relevant question is, did she consent/agree to the sexual act. If not, if there is force as you suggest, it is rape.

Then, as you said, there is the difference between statutory and non-statutory rape.

Statutory rape is where the law explicitly lays down when a sexual act is rape or not rape (perhaps even in cases where both partners consented). This is normally the case with younger children. For example, it may be rape if a 16 year old boy has sex with a 14 year old girl (if the legal age for consent is 16). Even if both consented.

I am not sure that any country legalises rape by governments but some countries do not think there can be rape within marriage.

Countries that recognise rape outside of the pre-defined parameters of statutory rape will probably focus on the issue of consent/agreement. Hence, in many countries it will not be possible for government agents to rape a woman and it not be considered as such.

Finally, "that is the price to pay"?! I completely disagree. The laws in many countries simply need to change, and to be brought up to modern day standards and values.

I think it is a rape if one of the involved there is displeasure to do that.
I just laugh reading the title  ;D , everyone will orgasm even though it is coercion. Except for people who have abnormalities or impotence diseases.  ;D

WTH? If there is no consent, then it's rape.

It is reported that people have orgasms at times, in the throes of violent death. Is it still murder if they have an orgasm?

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In much simpler explanation, if the victim doesn't give you any consent, then it is considered as rape.

Yes, it remains rape.
If someone steals your car, you'll get some money from your insurance, and that is a benefit, you've lost your car, and that was a theft.

holly cow! no consent = rape. The rest is pure polemics.

let's change a bit the angle, so If I murder a murderer, would that be a murder? I've murdered someone who else would have murdered more if I wouldn't have murdered him. Doesn't sound quite right doesn't it?

once someone is forcefully engaged in sexual penetration it is rape because, this activities had being carried out without the consent of the individual even if orgasm is achieved

Someone just brought up a great point here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1732082.msg32865002#msg32865002


Another way to look at rape is like when you have consensual sex. Nobody would say it's rape if they had consensual sex, but for some reason people seem to think differently when it is non consensual.

according to this "If you rape a woman, who then gives birth to a child that grows up and cures cancer...was it still rape?"

If you rape a woman, who then gives birth to a child that grows up as bad as HItler - will it be considered as a heavy rape or double rape?

This person would contend that it is considered rape only in that instance based on this post:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1732082.msg32155175#msg32155175

because...it is the outcome that determines what the act was.

Elwar, you can give up your US citizenship and move to some tax paradise.

Nobody is forcing you to get raped by government taxes.

You alone choose to live in a place where you are taxed by law which is agreed upon by the society living in that location.


Btw. Your example sucks donkey balls.

Working on it!

https://www.blue-frontiers.com/en/tokensale


Just like women can choose to live in a place with only women if they don't want men raping them. They alone choose to live in a place they get raped which men in that society agree is ok (depending upon the outcome).

Correct that was a thing 2000 years ago (amazons) - sometimes you still see them but they are called warrior lesbians today.


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Thanks for the link dude, i was looking for that for some time already.

Im paying close to 50% tax atm LOL

Also...I can't just give up my citizenship without being severely raped for doing so.

Ouch...that's big ass dildo sort of rape right there.

Very easy answer: If they say no or try to resist then they are being raped. Don't matter at all what happens in the outcome. No means no.

Hmm, there is a whole thread of people who have concluded that it absolutely does matter what happens in the outcome. The outcome determines the label of the act as rape or not.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1732082.0
You cannot say no. The results are far too important for you to say no!


Do you want people to never have orgasms? No more sex? That would mean no more children and the end of humanity as we know it! Absolute anarchy!

forcing someone to have sex is considered rape. No matter how much force you used, it is still rape and nothing can change that. Even if that sex or rape bears child, still it is rape. If the victim is responsible person and parent, she will take responsibility of being a mother to raise her child even if that child was made out of abuse of some people who only wants is to fulfill his lust even by forcing someone.

Yes, it is considered rape because it is done through force. No matter what the outcome is, it is still rape. Even a husband who force his wife to have sex with him is considered rape, marital rape. The wife can file a case against the husband and when it is proven rape, he can go to jail. So no matter what the outcomes are, as long as force is inflicted, it is still rape.

Every intercourse without consent is rape. If the government is having yours, it's not a rape because they have law which states that not knowing the law is illegal.
So, it's illegal to not know the laws and the governments acts within those laws so they have your full consent.
If you disagree, you have options either to leave the country or cease to exist.

Well, the law is the law. If they make you do it then it's not rape.

Let's start with the title:
Say you are in prison, and you get raped and end up having an orgasm, would you think it was rape?

What about if getting rape, makes you change the kind of person you are? You decide to counsel people who are rape victims and promote an enlightened movement, that brings for political stability, world peace and global economic growth, does that mean you being violate in prison really didn't happen as rate?

You know best. You might want to tell the people in this thread that the outcome does not matter...it is the act itself.

Is taxation theft? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3114570.20)

What sort of stupid question is this? If someone is forcing a woman to have sex, then irrespective of any other circumstance it is considered as rape. Orgasm is a biological phenomenon which can't be always controlled by the human body. You can't justify rape by saying that the woman had orgasm.

You would be surprised by the amount of people who believe that it is only the outcome that matters...

not the act itself

A whole thread of people for example:

Is taxation theft? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3114570.20)

From Dictionary.com, rape, number 1:

A passed-out, drunk woman might not put up any resitance at all. Little force needed, but it is still rape.


Because it isn't rape if the person didn't rape you.



From Dictionary.com, rape, numbers 3 and 7:
You might be right about what some people think of rape, and you might be right about what some judge or jury has adjudicated in some case(s), but you are wrong regarding the standard, common meaning of the word rape.

Rape in common law understanding is unlawful even though there might be circumstances where it is legal.

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That's a rape. If a person force to have sex then that's called as a rape if that's agaisnt his/her will. Force sex is a criminal offense.

A woman's bodily reaction to whatevers being to done to her varies and some may reach that point where . But the bottomline is that there aren't any consent. You're forcing a woman to do something against her will. That's a crime in itself. She can't control that and that basically gives rapists the green light to prowl around screwing women as long as they make them come.