Bitcoin Forum

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelkay/2017/12/05/waiting-for-the-stock-market-bubble-to-burst/

We hear saying "Bitcoin is a bubble" all the time from ad-hoc news on mainstream media.
They release them to attack Bitcoin, for making the price drop so that they take the chance to buy low, before the cryptocurrency boom of the decades to come.

But they always avoid admitting some facts that may debunk their fake propaganda: "traditional" assets are a giant bubble now. Way more than Bitcoin ( if it really is a bubble).
Think about

- real estate: it skyrocketed for decades, but it was all an artificially-made price. Now you are observing what is the real value of terrains and houses. We can say it did not drop, it just revelaved its real value , while the one it used to have was artificial.
Wanna smile a bit? Now we may enter a car-estate bubble because of that! https://boingboing.net/2017/12/29/working-maker-poor.html

- many tech stocks are overvalued now. It cannot go on like this forever.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/4129575-one-glaring-problem-apple-stock
https://investorplace.com/2017/08/heres-why-facebook-inc-fb-stock-remains-overvalued-ggsyn/
IMO they are going to plummet to a fair price , the only question is how long are they going to resist with the pump? They cannot sustain that for 10 more years for sure, it takes efforts from their part

Well yes - the stock market has been having a bull run since 2011.

As for bitcoin - it WAS a bubble back in December, but no-one can say it's a bubble now. The price is hovering around $8,400, and that's definitely npot bubble territory.

Most markets have bubbles and crashes at some point. Stock markets, housing markets, cryptocurrency markets, and many others have these same patterns. The US stock market is past due for a recession, but I don’t know if that is considered the same as a bubble. I do think Bitcoin was in a bubble at the end of last year but I believe it popped and it is in recovery.

i have heared from one investment analyst that untill people say that stock market is in the bubble then this bubble is only on the half way to blow up.
About tech stocks. The most popular ones are obviously in the bubble. The ones like Facebook, Twitter, Tesla (this one is really bad) don't have profit for years (and don't pay dividends) while their stock price is growing. Sometimes the companies like Amazon are recovering after this stuff but those things can't be done by everyone. The tech bubble is obvious but it definetely won't blow up for the next decade.

I don't agree that stock market is a bubble, you can say that it is a highly manipulated market where the operator moves the market along with the big institutional traders are following back. I would like to say that Stock market right now is in good tradeable condition as it is uptrending for now and Cryptomarket is in correction mode. You can also compare the stock market with cryptomarket to get the difference and correlation between both of them.

If there was any bubble, then it has already been popped. Back in December, when the prices were at peak, that's when the market was a bubble. For now, everything is settled and has been hovering around this price for a while. I am just waiting for the price to hit 10,000$ mark again. Probably by April end, Bitcoin will rise again.

Look on ICO its like bubble when come to exchange make now a lot of x loose some projects make -10x some -100x just from start , but people invest and got biggest loose for now :(

Even i was scared about the way Bitcoin rushed to $20K because it was simply just too fast an then we had the correction and those that bought at $20K started to panic sell and this even made the currency drop even lower and they haven't learnt their lessons and the fools are still panic selling whenever they hear any rumor.

House prices are in a perpetual state of bubble it seems. This isn't something that's ever going to change and for that reason I would say it's not really a true bubble. Like bitcoin they are scarce, unlike bitcoin there is guaranteed to always be an increasing demand and for that reason the price is only going to inflate. Then couple that with the fact people know this and are able to exploit it by buying and holding real estate and we have your so called 'bubble'

I dont believe the bitcoin/crypto bubble has popped just yet.  We've had many correction periods that lasted a few months but after those are over we always experience periods of significant growth.  i think when the bubble finally pops, we'll experience year long recessions where the prices of all cryptos will keep going down much like what happened after bitcoin broke 1k for the first time.

I would say that one is known with what they call themselves. For real estate and stock business , the operators there have been able to go pass the fear, bubble and genuity of the business by building and believing in their trade. The confidence in such business have grown very high and investors no longer exercise much fear to invest. The ones that are scared only have to ensure the operating approval of the so called agent/operator by searching through the books with the government and that allays the fear.

Thus, bitcoin can still be struggling with the name calling of bubble because it is still new around, the operators themselves are yet to totally believe in it,  the need to clean the system up and some kind of support from the authority.

So your point being here is that bitcoin is getting invested with real value over the time and thats why it is not a bubble. I mean other commodities are just hyped over the time because they were means of holding your earnings or your money. They were just kind of security deposits and thats what made them valuable over the time. But bitcoin, bitcoin is real value as it is plainly money and nothing else. It is itself a currency and it is itself getting invested with fait currency. So its like a pure value and nothing else. No bubble and its been proven many times, These army thoughts on the bubbly questions of yours.  :D

Tulip Fever is the one phrase being repeatedly parroted by the media, yet as you quite rightly say they conveniently failed to label the housing market the stock market with the same term, why? I'll leave you to ponder on that

About the increasing demand for houses, I think bitcoin is also in demand but I don't know about the guarantee for the demand though.

People who have the bitcoin dream also buy and hodl. Some bitcoin investors sell in between for cool profit .

No "experts" in the stock markets would admit that there is indeed a bubble going on in some of the stocks--particularly those that are tech-related (I'm looking at you, Tesla Motors). As one user pointed out, the stock markets have been on a run since 2011, and we all know that this is going to end nasty if this keeps up a little longer. IMO, Tesla would be receiving the heaviest blow once everything returns back to its normal pricing, together with Facebook once everyone realized that it isn't really worth it to hold on to its shares (and once almost everyone get tired of social media or move to newer platforms.)


Nah, they're busy painting a bad image for crypto to get the money flowing into their stocks, but unfortunately it isn't happening.

There may be a truth in what you say, but it is not right to look at everything as bubble. Does not it seem strange to you that bubbles are growing in price? If we go with your logic, the USD itself can even be a bubble. Do not be so cowardly, there is an end to everything already.  8)

The point of my topic was to criticize their stupid propaganda against crypto only and nothing else.

They are only bashing Bitcoin, omitting that their own assets are worse.
They must stop calling Bitcoin a Tulip, and of course they never called their assets a tulip. Name a single time they did

The reason why the market are in the red zone its because of their way that spreading negative news about CryptoCurrency/ Bitcoin to buy in a lower price of bitcoin and other coins. That's what I think.

There’s a point of time when everyone thinks that markets are already expensive or nearly a bubbled stature. Maybe this time stock market reaches that point. But there’s no point of arguing which market is better or bubbled. Even you’re in cryptocurrency, forex, and stock market, our goal in trading or investing in that market is to gain profit for our financial freedom.

What I think important is which market you are most confident to go. We need also to increase our knowledge capability in order to become successful. We should not blame our failures to whales, to black propaganda etc. We are responsible to owns success and failures.

If the market is like a bubble it could hit $ 0 at any time, I think there are now many people who are involved in Bitcoin or other currencies to make a profit and have a lot of rich people. From that involvement, I think the market is not a bubble but a platform for the development of multiple virtual currencies.

Dont you think that bitcoin prices or altcoins price is also made up price? I mean real estates are dependent on the same principle as bitcoin works on and that is demand-supply principle. We have it in plenty amount and to be honest it gets its price from the population concentrate that is getting build at specific hub. In the similar manner as the bitcoin is getting more popular amongst the people it is getting more and more crowded with them. On top of this bitcoin is also getting its value from the investment that is getting made by us. The more it gets crowded the more value it will get. Now the point is I dont see any bubble about it. Neither it is in terms of real estate nor it is applicable for the bitcoin. It is just all about the demand and supply and they all are real values.

Stock market is really struggling this past week hopefully crypto goes from strength to strength from here!

Real life stock market is well regulated and guarded so if anyone plans to manipulate the market, someone will raise the red flag to avoid further manipulations. In my country people go to jail for doing stock market manipulation. Any indicators that seems like someone is doing inside trading, trading will be stopped.

I think we need something similar for cryptocurrencies to stop all these pump and dumps

We surely will. It takes time for governments to properly regulate this market. In order to do that, they first need to understand the basic principles, and this we have noticed, is a very slow process. I wish every country followed Japan's example, but we aren't that fortunate at this point in time, especially so because some governments don't even know whether or not it might turn out to work against them later on. Only for that reason I believe they will never classify Bitcoin as currency, but that's all fine since it doesn't enjoy much noteworthy usage as that anyway. The more this market gets regulated, the more it will mature, and the more serious capital and liquidity will attract -- this is still the early stage, but some people just fail to understand that....

We should be mindful that all markets do ups and downs at some point in time. The stock market may seem to bubble now maybe due to certain favourable factors. However, the cryto market too can do same as seen in December 2017

We actually know their game except those that are new in this market. If we most be among the rich in future then we must buying bitcoin now and hold them for a very long time. Stock market and commodities market are the bubble of all time and there is no two ways about it.  Cryptocurrencies is going to Proof to them that it has potential to represent any form of money in future.

I realize this thread is a couple weeks old now, but I thank OP for posting those links.  I'm going to take a look at them shortly.

Stocks are definitely pricey right now.  I look at the P/E's of some of the ones I own, and they're well above 25, which is out of my comfort zone.  Warren Buffett wouldn't touch most of them with a ten-foot pole.  And tech stocks are insanely overvalued right now, but they have a long history of that and it doesn't surprise me at all.  Still, I don't think the stock market is in 1999 territory just yet.  The businesses behind the internet stocks from that era had no chance of ever earning a profit, would never pay dividends, and some of them had business plans that were completely irrational.  No surprise that the NASDAQ went south in April of 2000. 

I look at Facebook, Twitter, Pandora, Zynga, and some of the others and I see businesses that could actually make a profit but whose stocks are valued mostly on hope.  I'm sure we're due for a stock market crash, but I've been saying that for quite a while now, watching and waiting. 

These ICOs and shitcoins very much remind me of those internet stocks, and that's why I don't invest in them.  Most of them are useless and will always be useless, and I don't see any reason to buy them other than trying to sell them to the next sucker for more than you paid for them.  I'm not motivated to do that.  They're even worse than the internet stocks, because they don't even have real businesses behind them.  They're almost like penny stocks based on shell companies, and this whole thing is one giant pump & dump scheme.  It's no wonder that term 'pump & dump' gets used so much around here.  That's exactly what it is, and I want no part of it.

Real estate is also the same as cryptocurrency and they are being pumped very hard in my country. People can gain 100% to 200% profit in a year. Holding a house is one of the best investment in my country and because of that, im scared that everything will decrease strongly in the future

The term bubble is being used when there is need to discredit something. Before the 2008 stock market crash when the price was just going all the way up it was being interpreted as increase in activities, confidence boosting in the market, awareness is getting to a high level and all of the technical jargon that is being used to justify the financial charade that happened until everything came crashing.

On the tech stock, despite the increase, it still would not be categorised as bubble because they don't want to discredit the new funnel that people is interested in and just like you said, it wont last forever as every model has its own expiry date I only pity those who believe they can invest in this for a long term purpose. On crypto currency that cannot be controlled, that's where phrases such as ponzi, bubble, scam, multi percentage growth is paramount in other to kill it.

I would like to say that there are bubbles in every market and these sort of accusation are always against bitcoin but your observations are actually true, the tech companies are almost in a bubble as well as property ,it is how things works in the real world and you cannot do anything about it and it is not a new thing either, it will shift according to the global trends and there are strict regulations in place too, if you are caught manipulating you will end up paying fines in millions . ;)

I agree to this, one can take some precautions and increase the chances of profit with stock market.

Just like any other investment opportunity, you can minimize the risk in stock market by diversifying your portfolio. Whatever asset you choose for investment, you should diversify to protect the invested money.