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Title: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 01:48:57 AM
I have a friend who almost killed himself loosing all the money, he and his wife had.
She is sick with multiple sclerosis and they're homeless now since bank shortsaled their house and only money they've had was what left from that sale.
The amount was 45.49180000 of BTC sent to 15rxtbdigBTBkRbKLKd1pqomBoey927vX address.
I'm new and don't know if there is any way to help him but just wanted to warn good people about what's going on.
Bitcointalk accounts are also being hacked so be careful and protect yourself!





Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Aco on October 20, 2013, 03:22:23 AM
Can you explain how the 206 BTC that was also sent in the transaction was not stolen? Your friend must be confused. I doubt that any money was really stolen.
I agree. I wonder if the poster's IP is from Nigeria...


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: fattypig on October 20, 2013, 03:23:08 AM
I have a friend who almost killed himself loosing all the money, he and his wife had.
She is sick with multiple sclerosis and they're homeless now since bank shortsaled their house and only money they've had was what left from that sale.
The amount was 45.49180000 of BTC sent to 15rxtbdigBTBkRbKLKd1pqomBoey927vX address.
I'm new and don't know if there is any way to help him but just wanted to warn good people about what's going on.
Bitcointalk accounts are also being hacked so be careful and protect yourself!


You cant really do anything for stolen Bitcoin. Sorry, better have firewalls and longer password next time..


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 03:33:35 AM
Hello and thank You for reply!

He is confused and he still taking some nasty medications for his bad heart condition.
206BTC showed spent the same day of the transactions and his 45.49 appeared as spent only recently. It was green "unspent" until now.
This is the link from block chain:
http://blockchain.info/tx/2316297e9ad4e0919b5f014bcb20c9e9d6cdf77a518322a0d644c07f640b6f5c
He has a proof since he sent coins to the address from his campbx account.
Please help, they're very good people.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Marbit on October 20, 2013, 03:48:37 AM
regardless of anything else, there's nothing you can really do, except maybe watch the coins move around the internet....


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 03:54:44 AM
Are there any investigators who could help to track?

Thanks


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: CEG5952 on October 20, 2013, 04:21:41 AM
search around for "forensic bitcoin" something or other.... there was a thread about a new service that did something related to that, but i am not sure if they could actually help. good luck.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 04:22:40 AM
Thank You CEG5952!


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: gweedo on October 20, 2013, 04:25:29 AM
Are there any investigators who could help to track?

Thanks

Move on from the lost, you should have had a better password, and not used an exchange as a wallet.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 06:18:42 AM
Are there any investigators who could help to track?

Thanks

Move on from the lost, you should have had a better password, and not used an exchange as a wallet.

It was transaction without an escrow and password has nothing to do with it.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: fattypig on October 20, 2013, 08:29:06 AM
Are there any investigators who could help to track?

Thanks

Move on from the lost, you should have had a better password, and not used an exchange as a wallet.

It was transaction without an escrow and password has nothing to do with it.

Ok, so its more of a scam. I believe some Bitcointalk folk is rich enough to donate some money to your friend. Make a new topic showing proof and saying how he got scam and etc.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Jabbatheslutt on October 20, 2013, 09:26:51 AM
If the bank forclose on his house i doubt 45 btc would be enough unless he was living in a cardboard box.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Gator-hex on October 20, 2013, 01:35:18 PM
"You cant really do anything for stolen Bitcoin."

Yes you can since it was recognized by US law...

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"Fraudsters are not beyond the reach of the SEC just because they use Bitcoin or another virtual currency to mislead investors and violate the federal securities laws”
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.UmPbnFPAFc8

US can pretty much extradite anyone from most countries in the world for Mail & Wire Fraud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_fraud


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Deathwing on October 20, 2013, 02:00:49 PM
I feel like its a CSB, its happened 3 months ago.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 04:36:27 PM
"US can pretty much extradite anyone from most countries in the world for Mail & Wire Fraud
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_fraud"



Hello Gator-hex and thank you for the info!
Do you know more detail about it, where to report this theft?
Also, please ignore a few post above about campbx password hack since it's false.
Money to campbx was transferred from Dwolla. Money to Dwolla has been transferred from Bank of America account,
and he did send BTC himself, so no password has been compromised except his bitcointalk member login.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Gator-hex on October 20, 2013, 05:06:18 PM
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Hello Gator-hex and thank you for the info!
Do you know more detail about it, where to report this theft?

USA ($) = http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

UK (£) = http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/report-a-fraud-including-online-crime

Whenever you do a Bitcoin transaction always agree your local currency equivalent value and it should be recognized by your courts.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 20, 2013, 06:12:30 PM
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Hello Gator-hex and thank you for the info!
Do you know more detail about it, where to report this theft?

USA ($) = http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

UK (£) = http://www.actionfraud.police.uk/report-a-fraud-including-online-crime

Whenever you do a Bitcoin transaction always agree your local currency equivalent value and it should be recognized by your courts.

Thank You!!


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: odolvlobo on October 20, 2013, 07:21:37 PM
Also, please ignore a few post above about campbx password hack since it's false.
Money to campbx was transferred from Dwolla. Money to Dwolla has been transferred from Bank of America account,
and he did send BTC himself, so no password has been compromised except his bitcointalk member login.

You have not been very clear about how the bitcoins were stolen.  More details might help recover the bitcoins, especially details about where they stored when they were stolen.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: MAbtc on October 20, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
There are things to consider..... do we know the account was brute-forced? Or is it possible this was done by someone who had access to a computer that in some way housed the password (in a text file, saved in-browser, etc)?


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 21, 2013, 01:00:13 AM
Thank you so much all you guys trying to help! Really appreciate that!

I'll try to file a Complaint with the IC3. This makes the most sense to me.
As soon as they'll reply, I'll let you know what's up on this topic.

What I'am 100% sure about is that this "person/thief" lives here @ bitcointalk.org
My limited time and knowledge tracing someone, allows me to get only this far:

https://i.imgur.com/wouKQp2.png

This is thief's ip address. The rest is much more complicated...

Also wanted to let this "person/thief" know that,- if u consider yourself a hacker? - u are Not!
We'll gain some learning experience trying to catch u.

Real hackers don't steal!




Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 21, 2013, 01:13:46 AM
"You are completely dumb! On blockchain.info that ip is the ip that relayed the transaction, not and probably not the node that created the transaction so now your hunting someone that is innocent. Please learn to use bitcoin and the services inside the eco-system. Witch hunts are not for dumb people with no proof."



All proof you need is confirmation with campbx.
What I understand is much better proof that any other. From local wallet he can prove nothing.

And please don't call it "eco-system" yet.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 21, 2013, 01:29:20 AM
"Witch hunts are not for dumb people with no proof."

That's why I'm filing a complaint with IC3.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: Btree on October 21, 2013, 01:40:41 AM
"Witch hunts are not for dumb people with no proof."

That's why I'm filing a complaint with IC3.

Yeah on an innocent person. Learn what that ip address means, it has nothing to do with the transaction more than likely like 99.9%

It's not about innocents or ip, it's about stolen bitcoins.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: waltermot321 on October 21, 2013, 02:16:49 AM
"Witch hunts are not for dumb people with no proof."

That's why I'm filing a complaint with IC3.

Yeah on an innocent person. Learn what that ip address means, it has nothing to do with the transaction more than likely like 99.9%

It's not about innocents or ip, it's about stolen bitcoins.

I got that part, but your do know that ip address has nothing to do with your stolen bitcoins, learn how bitcoins work then maybe you will learn that you will not get your coins back.

Mind to explain more about ip address thing?


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: odolvlobo on October 21, 2013, 04:08:06 AM
This is an odd thread. The OP has provided no details. I have doubts that any bitcoins were stolen.


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: evansearle42 on October 21, 2013, 04:21:27 AM
Even if you find out his real address, how are you going to get your bitcoin back? Point a gun at him?


Title: Re: Stolen bitcoins in transaction
Post by: b!z on October 21, 2013, 09:41:47 AM
"Witch hunts are not for dumb people with no proof."

That's why I'm filing a complaint with IC3.

Yeah on an innocent person. Learn what that ip address means, it has nothing to do with the transaction more than likely like 99.9%

It's not about innocents or ip, it's about stolen bitcoins.

The IP address belongs to a relay node on the network, not the thief. Bitcoin is a peer-to-peer technology, and transactions are broadcast across the network. Reporting a node to the police will not help you in your search at all.