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How would one go about getting BTC in a wallet with 0 traces back? Completely anonymous.

Bitcoin is not anonymous, every Bitcoin-Qt client has a database of every Bitcoin transaction, ever made.

Some people try to obfuscate their transactions my having multiple wallet addresses but theres always going to a trail of money flow.

Has nothing to do with theft. Thanks for being a dick.
And i understand how bitcoin-qt works.

I am looking for a way to have a wallet, that cant trace back to a person.

So far the best way i know is to send cash to someone and have them send you a Private key.

It will trace to someone, but not the person using it.

I think mining does the trick, right?

Even if you use a pool it should be pretty possible to stay anonymous.

are you going to send that cash through the post? or hand it to someone in view of CCTV?

...if you have to ask the question, you're probably going to get tracked.

mine it ...
either directly or via a mining pool

Cash through the post isn't as trackable as one thinks, as well as Hand to Hand with CCTV also isnt a huge deal.

There are many, many topics and posts about this subject. Google for it or just search on this forum..

This, but even if you trace it you can't do anything...

Use a different address for every transaction.
Don't reuse old addresses.
Don't use addresses on forums or sites where they can be used to identify you.
Watch out for transactions between addresses that could link them together.

oh sorry i thought you said completely anonymous with 0 traces back

carry on...

Bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous. You can't hide the transactions,m but you can hide WHO is doing the transactions.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by "not trace to the person using it", but I think you are mistaken.


Apparently the definition of "Completely" that you use is different than the definition of "Completely" that I use.

So you're interested in how transactions work.

Bitcoin balances are organized by txIn and txOut. txOut is a balance waiting to be spent. txIn is a reference to a txOut.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Transactions

Complete anon can be achieved via Post or Hand to Hand.

Say i contact someone, send my public PGP key. in which the recipient sends me his Public key encrypted with mine. From which i not only send a new Public Key specific to this person but ask for an address to send $$$ for btc. He send me back a reply using the new key. I get the address and use a service to make untrackable the orgin of the post to the receiver. He recieved my $$ and a Bitcoin Address which is to an Offline wallet. He sends the BTC and contacts me with the transaction ID.

If i did everything correctly, I would have BTC in a cold wallet stored offline. I would nuke the Email accounts and PGP Keys. Which were only stored in a truecrypt volume inwhich is used DoD data wipe to destory. Or for more security only stored on a truecrypt volume on a CD which was then blended or otherwise destroyed.

Now for some reason someone attempts to Track me. Worse case senario. The sender gets contacted in which he trys to trace to me, unable to do so due to getting contacted on a forum by a person who never connected with his own IP, and Covered his tracks as he must to do something like this.

The possibility of someone tracing back to the purchaser is near impossible.

Also while this is all hypothetical. I would like it to be known that while i would like to go through a process simular, I connect to Bitcoin Talk via my Personal IP address and have no plans of doing anything Illegal* and this is for knowledge. I just want to know if this is overkill when a simular process is more easily achieved.


*When i say illegal i mean to the point of being traced for your actions. I will gladly admit i have done some things that are white and Black. AkA Filesharing etc

Again with that very odd definition of "Completely".


Then you are no longer "Completely" anonymous.


Again a loss of anonymity.


Good luck with that.


How exactly to you intend to eliminate any and every trace of the email address from any and every server that communications passed through?


Just how sure are you that your forum identity has never been and will never be connected to your IP address, your name, and/or any other information that can reduce the pool of potential candidates?


If you put in the effort and don't make any mistakes, it is possible to maintain near perfect anonymity with bitcoin transaction.  It is not easy, and mistakes or violated trust would be two of the biggest issues you'd have to be concerned about.



Sure.

Send cash in an envelope to my public P.O. BOX address.  Include a bitcoin address from an offline paper wallet in the envelope.  I'll keep 10% as a service fee and exchange the rest at the MtGox exchange rate at the time I receive the envelope.

As long as you can send the envelope in such a way that it can never be traced back to your identity, your anonymity will be secure until you try to spend the bitcoins.

sadly as much as i'd like to take you on on that offer, i as Novalok will never do a purchase like that and if i were to do so, you posting in my thread already pretty much kills the possibility.

Nah.  Your thread is publicly accessible.

The offer is open to anyone and everyone that sees it.

You have complete plausible deny-ability.

There are a few million (billion?) internet users who are all able to see the offer I just made.

If an envelope were to show up in my mail box with cash and a bitcoin address, how would I (or anyone else) know which of the world's population actually sent it?

(I mean other than finger prints on the envelope, postmark indicating general area mailed from, DNA if the stamp or envelope flap was licked, hand writing analysis, and tracking where the bitcoins go when they are spent later).

This will be fun :)
Gloves.
Use your imagination but easily "spoofed"
Print/Tape etc
Print or hell typewrite.


and if you do all that right who cares about tracking

Certainly. 

The point is that there's a lot to think about if someone wants to be "Completely Anonymous".  If you miss even one tiny detail, it can lead to accidentally revealing something that narrows the search for your identity.

In the end, it depends a lot on who you're hiding from, what resources they have, and what measures they are willing and able to take in their attempt to uncover your identity.

In most cases, the method I described will be sufficient as long as people trust me to actually send the bitcoins.

But you can be traced by your IP.

But for most, staying anonymous is not important at all

Is your address public information?

Use Tor.

I haven't looked into zero-coin protocol all that much, but from what people say, once it starts being implemented in bitcoin, the prospect for anonymity become much stronger.

And public wifi connection. Dont know how it works with mining machines though, these have to stay at your home

a vpn on a neighbors Wifi ftw

Few advices:
-Use new adresses every time
-Use mixers as the one of blockchain.info
I think that stay trasparent is better and more legal
Stay anonimous using bitcoin can be money laundering!