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Title: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on October 23, 2013, 06:44:39 PM
Let's just say that I really, really don't want to make this post.  But I feel like I have to.

For the record, I've never been to Silk Road.  I've never consumed or dealt illegal drugs.  I've never met Ross Ulbricht.

Since I believe that this forum has been compromised as a platform of free information exchange, for some time, I fully expect this to be deleted or moved.  I've gone ahead and made a copy elsewhere (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1p2ge0/the_silk_road_bust_is_not_as_it_seems/).

For the last several years, I've been privy to some inside information on a few public events.  I've never mentioned most of them publicly.  They are simply too crazy to believe.  Like I said, I'd rather not be discussing this one either.

http://media.npr.org/assets/img/2013/10/03/ross-ulbricht-google-f9423f6d10ca93b19d4fa544a0b5e29a4a940e5f-s6-c30.jpg

The first time I saw this picture of Ross Ulbricht was long before his arrest.  I had noticed him on these forums, based on some comment he had made, and Googled around and ran across his photo.  The photo told me all I needed to know.  I made a mental note, dismissed him as a troll, and forgot about it.

Shortly before the Silk Road bust, I made this post (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1nnyzi/the_limits_of_propaganda/), which I think is relevant.

The second time I saw the photo of Ulbricht was when news of the Silk Road bust broke.  The photo jogged my memory.  I knew I had seen it before.  And I knew the reason such a comical photo was being used so prominently.  I was still not sure, however, exactly who Ross Ulbricht was, or what his involvement was.  I intended to wait until his eventual trial to decide, though I expected there would be some kind of plea deal, and not end up being a trial at all.

However, when Silk Road users such as this one (http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkRoad/comments/1nqcx6/copy_and_save_this_before_a_mod_deletes_it_they/) started coming forward with their own information and experiences, corroborating what I suspected, I felt that I would have to say something.  I sent a message (http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e49/benjamindees/silkroad_zpsb2a95b81.png) to one of them, trying to get some more info on what they thought might be going on.  And now that some more irregularities (http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkroadUNcensored/comments/1p0ogt/time_to_let_the_cat_out_of_the_hat/) are beginning to come out, I need to throw in some of what I know.

Here's what I can add to this, for now.  Ross Ulbricht is not who he claims to be.  This photo of him is not only altered, but staged.  I have gone back and forth, considering whether he could simply be an unwitting dupe in this, whether someone could have convinced him to pose for a photo (http://bitcoinexaminer.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/0420_gavin-andersen-bitcoin_398-1.jpg) in a way that could be used against him.  But considering that the photo is not only staged, but altered as well, I have to assume that he is actively involved in what is, at the very least, an elaborate hoax.  Now that others have come to the same conclusion, I can confirm that I believe this to be the case as well, based on my own evidence.

Perhaps I will disclose more at a future date, but I think that's good for now.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: drrussellshane on October 23, 2013, 06:54:21 PM
*gets popcorn and pulls up a chair*


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: franky1 on October 23, 2013, 07:13:53 PM
lol OP atleast read the entire warrant request, then you may learn enough stuff to move onto investigate.

dont say you know little about the case then suddenly say you know this massive secret that should not be mentioned. hinting that it proves ulbrich is not DPR..

learn to research and not to try getting 5 minutes of fame with a troll story. the whole DPR is a monika passed down to each new website mod of silk road, lol ulbrich has been linked to SR since 2011, so he isn't just some unwitting dupe that was just hired to network monitor a website.

again learn to research

that being said i think this OP has gone a few days with out his favourite plant, thus now trying to use his grey matter for some other purpose to keep his mind off the fact he can no longer get any. by coming up with silly idea's

now if you really want a conspiracy theory here is one for you:
you were adopted, your real name is Kal-el, now go research into your real parents and the destiny they wanted you to aspire too.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: bbit on October 23, 2013, 07:16:18 PM
*gets popcorn and pulls up a chair*

lol .....joining you  ;D


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: ksteve96 on October 23, 2013, 07:21:56 PM
Hmmm.  So who wants to go 50/50 on a tinfoil-hat manufacturing business?  Seems more lucrative every day.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Timo Y on October 23, 2013, 08:17:14 PM
I don't get it. What is wrong with this photo? How could this photo be used "against him"? All I can see is somewhat unflattering but otherwise utterly mundane photo. You are talking in riddles.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: kik1977 on October 23, 2013, 08:18:05 PM
Hi Benjamin, please excuse me but I don't get a point: you said you noticed him on these forum(s) and, googling around you found his picture, the one you posted. Apart from the funny mouth, I wonder how were you able to match a username (altoid if I recall well) with that picture? And where exactly did you find it?
Thanks, cheers.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on October 24, 2013, 01:00:58 AM
I don't get it. What is wrong with this photo? How could this photo be used "against him"?

You're right, that was poor wording on my part.  "Used in a way in which he did not intend" is what I meant.

I wonder how were you able to match a username (altoid if I recall well) with that picture? And where exactly did you find it?

I don't remember exactly.  But it wasn't difficult.  Just a simple Google search.  I'm not in the habit of going all "internet detective" on random forum posters.  But I remember the comment piqued my interest because it seemed disingenuous.  The picture confirmed this belief.  I don't remember the username.  It may or may not have been 'altoid'.  It may or may not have even been posted by him.  But I remember the picture.  I know the reason I remember the picture.  And I'm not the only one who can make this connection.  All I'm saying is that there is more going on here than is obvious at first glance.  I felt like I needed to make this known, so that perhaps it might help others who are trying to piece together exactly what it is.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Dabs on October 24, 2013, 09:11:40 AM
Well, SR is mostly illegal drugs, but has anyone ever bought from http://www.superdrugsaver.com/ ? They are mostly legal drugs, but some may need a prescription.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on October 26, 2013, 01:15:41 AM
Ross' "friend" confirms that Ross has a psychology degree from Penn State (http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/1p2ge0/the_silk_road_bust_is_not_as_it_seems/cczhio8).

This fact seems to have been conveniently omitted from all other media coverage.

This is a fucking psy-op.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Raoul Duke on October 26, 2013, 10:26:36 AM
I'm loving how the mod who moved this thread has covered their tracks by removing the "Moved:...etc etc" hyperlink from the general board. ;D

STFU, moron...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316855.0


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Raoul Duke on October 26, 2013, 11:34:09 AM
I'm loving how the mod who moved this thread has covered their tracks by removing the "Moved:...etc etc" hyperlink from the general board. ;D

STFU, moron...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316855.0

Don't you "moron" me. October 23rd?? What is this, fucking Mars time? The thread was on page 1 today. I didn't look to see if the link had been back-dated 3 days. Edit: though I guess it looks like the site probably does that automatically. Still doesn't make me a moron.

Yes, it does make you a moron.
1- The date is below the thread title, so...
2- You didn't even search. I found it in 5 seconds, by searching the thread title.
3- You posted the same in 2 different threads, just to show how nasty we moderators are.
4- Given the above, you care more about spreading FUD than facts


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: realestone on October 26, 2013, 12:37:42 PM
OP you talk about about some big secret after reading your post its filled with more riddles then any useful information


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on October 26, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
The Most Likely Theory (http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkroadUNcensored/comments/1p9tpt/the_most_likely_theory/)

edit:  reposted here due to censorship

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This is my current theory as to what exactly is going on. It is mostly theory, but based on a few key facts.

The Silk Road was quietly compromised months ago. The real DPR handed over his Bitcoins in exchange for being placed in witness protection.

"Ross Ulbricht" is an actor. His photos are absurd caricatures. His background has been fabricated. This, I know for a fact. But I won't go into the exact reason, for now.

So, Ross Ulbricht won't ever go to prison. He might not even have a trial. He's in the Southern District of New York, totally controlled by banksters.

The attempted murder-for-hire was probably fabricated as well, to be bandied about in libertarian political circles in order to identify those who would justify killing the few for the good of the many. This is the overarching philosophy of statism, that freedom is a threat to society, and that those who promote it must be eliminated for the good of all.

When this hoax was exposed by this Subreddit, obviously it jeopardized the FBI's agreement with DPR. The FBI decided they needed to secure access to his Bitcoins, by moving them immediately. So, yesterday, they magically managed to "break into" DPR's wallet. They also began arresting Silk Road vendors.

It is far too early in the legal proceedings for Ross Ulbricht to be cooperating. These actions are being taken based on information the FBI already had, from the real DPR.

Don't underestimate what we are dealing with, here. The US federal government, the cabal in control of the US economy, is gunning for Bitcoin. They are gunning for those who promote individual liberty and freedom. And they are engaged in a lot of dirty tricks in order to do so. This is just the latest in a long line of these types of operations.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: freethink2013 on October 26, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
wow so dpr did sandy hook and 9/11...interesting


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Neutral-Neet on October 26, 2013, 09:02:52 PM
After Mark Zuckerberg and Steve Jobs films, it's Silk Road time.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: darkmule on October 26, 2013, 09:23:50 PM
https://i.imgur.com/9m9ZsAq.png


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: 2dogs on October 27, 2013, 05:58:56 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Hkq3c.gif


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: MAbtc on October 27, 2013, 08:22:22 AM
I wish there were more to this story as the OP indicates, because that's some great conspiracy theory stuff! Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it went down the way they said it did.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: darkmule on October 27, 2013, 05:13:40 PM
And then they somehow got court records planted in courts and on court websites, planted fake court documents on Immigrations and Custom Enforcement (http://www.ice.gov/doclib/news/releases/2013/131002baltimore.pdf), issued fake press releases from ICE (http://m.ice.gov/news/releases/1310/131002baltimore.htm?f=m), put more fake court documents on the Department of Justice (http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/October13/SilkRoadSeizurePR/Second%20Post-Complaint%20Protective%20Order%20-%20Silk%20Road.pdf) website, issued fake press releases from the Department of Justice (http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/October13/SilkRoadSeizurePR.php?print=1), etc. etc. etc.

Just in case anyone is taking this seriously and not as the drop-dead retarded bullshit it is.  Look at the past posts of OP.  He's never been anything but a troll here.

I guess this is another good thread to fill ignore lists.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: piotr_n on October 27, 2013, 05:20:13 PM
I take it seriously and I think there are some very valid points here.
It all adds up - much more then the official story.

Thanks, @benjamindees


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: piotr_n on October 28, 2013, 09:44:17 AM
And of course it was super-important for all the "n00bs" to see that it was the FBI painstakingly transferring the bullshit arbitrary 324btc amounts from address "148vsdjh5ykjdskjdtkjsj" to "1jeg939fg956iugf".
Exactly.
The alleged DPRs wallet was finally decrypted by FBI, just a day or two after these "conspiracy theories" started to leak out, thus "proving" that they are all bullshit.
What a coincidence.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 29, 2013, 07:15:02 AM
I'm loving how the mod who moved this thread has covered their tracks by removing the "Moved:...etc etc" hyperlink from the general board. ;D

STFU, moron...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=316855.0

I love how psy is not covering up for hazek and this forum by planting what Raoul has proven was missing.  ;D ;D ;D

EDIT: Boy, did I fuck up that humor! Raoul is psy, and I thought I was quoting psy responding to Raoul, recalling his avatar only. I hate it when the jokes on me.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on October 31, 2013, 05:09:56 AM
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I don't know if he was set up to take the fall for the site, or if he was even paid to; but the original DPR remains free. How do I know this? I was chatting with him on Torchat around the time of the bust of Ulbricht. A short period after the bust occurred, he said to me, "turn on the news," and logged off. Cliche, but effective. He has not been back on since, and with reason.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkroadUNcensored/comments/1pdlgb/i_was_a_former_top_sr_admin_ama_expose_inside/cd1e5we

No idea whether this is legit or not.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: 2dogs on October 31, 2013, 06:38:01 AM
Wow, I'm gonna grab a coke to go with my popcorn.....


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on November 05, 2013, 06:35:14 AM
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BREAKING NEWS: Family friend who provided photo's. "Ross says that someone named Libertas was the original owner"

I'm just going to paste the exact quote.

"Ross is saying that a person who goes by the username "Libertas" was the one who actually got arrested for the cocaine several months ago.... When this happen, the original owner Libertas pulled the entire site down, and convinced Ross to take temporary ownership of the site until he could straighten out the case with the cocaine? Ross claims, he was never even really in control. Libertas had complete control over the wallet and even answered messages people sent to Ross on the site. He had no idea that the owner of the website was being investigated or even working under cover. The only reason Ross agreed to do it was so the police would be convinced that Libertas was not the actual owner. he told Ross that's what the police had charged him with, along with the cocaine. Ross says he went by the name inigo" and was only a helper on the site. The original owner moved down to the Libertas spot, and Ross moved into the new owner spot. Ross is the sweetest, kindest, most nerdy guy you could ever meet. The owner even forced Ross into doing that magazine interview, against much protest from Ross, and even withheld pay from ross for a week, claiming it was "punishment" for screwing up and saying he was not the original owner."

Funny. We were told that the site was under a "DDOS" when it was pulled down.

Only proof I can offer is photos the person offered that no one else have circulated in the media provided by said friend.

https://i.imgur.com/pQPKsSe.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ZhYwnk3.jpg

An album of ross drunk (http://imgur.com/a/KTZM4)

Again, no idea whether this is legit.  Just quoting for posterity.

http://www.reddit.com/r/SilkroadUNcensored/comments/1pww9d/breaking_news_family_friend_who_provided_photos/


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Wardrick on November 05, 2013, 06:51:00 AM
He looks like he has no teeth, lol.

Either way I know there's a lot more behind the story than just the FBI caught him through Supena's. I read an interview on Forbes where he said he wasn't the first one to run the site, and someone handed it down to him awhile after he found some major security flaws. So according to DPR, the time when the posts were made that supposedly got him caught, he wasn't even the owner of Silk Road.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: BitcoinBarrel on November 05, 2013, 06:59:44 AM
Obviously the whole Silk road thing was a setup from the Get-Go. Nobody from Texas that had the skills to develop such a website would EVER be dumb enough to follow through with such a ridiculous idea. In this day and age, I don't see how ANYONE would even consider buying drugs using the computer. The FBI database of SR users is most likely comprised of 90% middle school-aged boys.


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: benjamindees on June 25, 2015, 03:10:38 PM
I wish there were more to this story as the OP indicates, because that's some great conspiracy theory stuff! Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it went down the way they said it did.

Well, this prediction seems to have some facts behind it now, at least:

The attempted murder-for-hire was probably fabricated as well

And here's another (anonymous) claim to know the "real" DPR.  Again, no idea whether it's legit:

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Okay this is probably either one of the stupidest decisions of my life or it may just be the only redeeming thing I have ever done. So you all know about "Silk Road" (the defunct online drug market that was shut down in oct13). The man sentenced to life for running it (Ross Ulbricht), is not the only guy who ran it. I dont think he was too involved at all. I have since moved and the person I am about to talk about has gone ghost as well so here it goes:
I spent a few months dating this guy (considerably older) who was probably running the website for 80% of the time. He was always online logged in and many times in-front of me not only used the Dread Pirate Roberts account, but also chatted with who I now believe was the Ulbricht boy. My former SO often joked that this "kid" was essentially his robot and worshipped him. I know he had probably over 2,500 bitcoins at one point. I saw other things that he is stupid for flaunting, such as his conversations that he would decrypt and save to USB drives as "insurance" (his words) of him discussing things with police. Either he was an informant or he had them working for him. I think both. I know for a period of about 8 or 9 months that Ulbricht had not logged into the site portal because my ex-SO became paranoid that the guy might have been arrested or killed or turned informant. he pops back up and they start chatting like old buddies, supposedly he was hanging out with family and having personal problems.
I dont know the specifics and have never told a soul. When they arrested this boy, my ex took off. Said he was going to visit his parents and lay low for a bit, and then abruptly vanished. I did see him as "last online X hours ago" on Whatsapp here and there, so thankfully he's not dead or in jail.. I think.
For those who might think I could be getting him in trouble and Im being a bitch/vengeful/rat. No I aint. He's not a US citizen and is most likely not in the US.
TLDR/ELI5: Ross Ulbricht was definetly not "The Dread Pirate Roberts" as much as he was accused of. That would impossible. He sure is paying the price for it though. May God make this guys situation better one day, he's pain a price for shit he wasnt too vested in.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3b0kwl/whats_your_deep_web_story/cshrivc


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: Gleb Gamow on June 25, 2015, 05:15:00 PM
I wish there were more to this story as the OP indicates, because that's some great conspiracy theory stuff! Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it went down the way they said it did.

Well, this prediction seems to have some facts behind it now, at least:

The attempted murder-for-hire was probably fabricated as well

And here's another (anonymous) claim to know the "real" DPR.  Again, no idea whether it's legit:

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Okay this is probably either one of the stupidest decisions of my life or it may just be the only redeeming thing I have ever done. So you all know about "Silk Road" (the defunct online drug market that was shut down in oct13). The man sentenced to life for running it (Ross Ulbricht), is not the only guy who ran it. I dont think he was too involved at all. I have since moved and the person I am about to talk about has gone ghost as well so here it goes:
I spent a few months dating this guy (considerably older) who was probably running the website for 80% of the time. He was always online logged in and many times in-front of me not only used the Dread Pirate Roberts account, but also chatted with who I now believe was the Ulbricht boy. My former SO often joked that this "kid" was essentially his robot and worshipped him. I know he had probably over 2,500 bitcoins at one point. I saw other things that he is stupid for flaunting, such as his conversations that he would decrypt and save to USB drives as "insurance" (his words) of him discussing things with police. Either he was an informant or he had them working for him. I think both. I know for a period of about 8 or 9 months that Ulbricht had not logged into the site portal because my ex-SO became paranoid that the guy might have been arrested or killed or turned informant. he pops back up and they start chatting like old buddies, supposedly he was hanging out with family and having personal problems.
I dont know the specifics and have never told a soul. When they arrested this boy, my ex took off. Said he was going to visit his parents and lay low for a bit, and then abruptly vanished. I did see him as "last online X hours ago" on Whatsapp here and there, so thankfully he's not dead or in jail.. I think.
For those who might think I could be getting him in trouble and Im being a bitch/vengeful/rat. No I aint. He's not a US citizen and is most likely not in the US.
TLDR/ELI5: Ross Ulbricht was definetly not "The Dread Pirate Roberts" as much as he was accused of. That would impossible. He sure is paying the price for it though. May God make this guys situation better one day, he's pain a price for shit he wasnt too vested in.

http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/3b0kwl/whats_your_deep_web_story/cshrivc

In case you're wondering which user account on this forum was Curtis Green that I uncovered: bigasic locked the thread he started to help a Silk Road mod. (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1045937.0)

I also uncovered the user name on this forum of the top forensics guy in the world. I believe him to be a cool dude though, especially when he patted me on the back via private convo for uncovering more on Brock Pierce then he had. Even Brock conveyed to me three times (once in person) echoing my Google-fu skills.

Currently, I'm connecting the dots between Sonny Vleisides and Jeff Ownby's relationship way before BFL and the former's sentencing for fleecing tens of millions mostly from the elderly with his/their lottery scheme.

One more thing: I'm almost convinced that Raoul is psy are the same person.  ;D


Title: Re: The Silk Road Bust is Not as it Seems
Post by: darkmule on June 25, 2015, 07:07:24 PM
In this day and age, I don't see how ANYONE would even consider buying drugs using the computer.

I don't either, but you have a vastly inflated notion of how prudent people are if you don't realize lots of people actually did just that and continue to do it even after recent events.