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Title: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Micon on October 24, 2013, 05:47:45 PM
on capitalization, I like this lots:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction#Capitalization_.2F_Nomenclature

Accepted practice is to use Bitcoin (singular with an upper case letter B) to label the protocol, software, and community, and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

but when it comes to the plural, I can't find solid info.  Personally I've been using bitcoin as the plural. 

"I have 5 bitcoin" instead of "I have 5 bitcoins"

then it gets hairy with fractions... do you have "0.8234 bitcoin" or "0.8234 bitcoins"

when looking at the SwC FAQ we write "Why do bitcoins have value?"  should it be "Why do bitcoin have value?" because that sounds fucked when reading it in my head.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on October 24, 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Um the plural usage is right there in your quote.

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and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

Do you also say I won five hundred dollar or man prices in the UK were expensive that [...] was 10 pound.

It is units of currency thus it is plural.   The only time the units of currency is singular is when it is one unit.

That will be one dollar.
That will be one bitcoin.

That will be two dollars
That will be two bitcoins.



Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: drrussellshane on October 24, 2013, 06:00:08 PM
on capitalization, I like this lots:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction#Capitalization_.2F_Nomenclature

Accepted practice is to use Bitcoin (singular with an upper case letter B) to label the protocol, software, and community, and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

but when it comes to the plural, I can't find solid info.  Personally I've been using bitcoin as the plural. 

"I have 5 bitcoin" instead of "I have 5 bitcoins"

then it gets hairy with fractions... do you have "0.8234 bitcoin" or "0.8234 bitcoins"

when looking at the SwC FAQ we write "Why do bitcoins have value?"  should it be "Why do bitcoin have value?" because that sounds fucked when reading it in my head.

If I have $0.82, I don't say that I have "zero point eight two dollar(s)", I'd be more likely to say "eighty-two cents".

I use "bitcent" for 1/100 of a bitcoin.

Capital "B" Bitcoin is for the protocol itself, or the reference client. Lower case "b" bitcoin is for other uses, using plurals as is necessary or as conforms to common usage.

I think that there may be a similar issue (with regards to the plural form of the unit name) with the Euro.



Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: dancupid on October 24, 2013, 06:11:13 PM
Um the plural usage is right there in your quote.

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and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

Do you also say I won five hundred dollar or man prices in the UK were expensive that [...] was 10 pound.

It is units of currency thus it is plural.   The only time the units of currency is singular is when it is one unit.

That will be one dollar.
That will be one bitcoin.

That will be two dollars
That will be two bitcoins.



Pound is already both plural and singular.
£10.50 is pronounced 'ten pound fifty' (rarely pounds) - but it's ok to say 'ten pounds and 50 pence'

Interestingly 1p is pronounced 1 pence, but the coin is referred to as 1 penny.
2 pence is 2 pennies if there are literally two 1 pence coins, or 2 pence if it is a 2p coin.
ie penny has two plurals - pence and pennies depending on context.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on October 24, 2013, 06:26:16 PM
I should have known the British would fuck up my example. :)

Exceptions to every rule but generally currency units are plural.  
1 dollar,  15 dollars
1 euro, 15 euros
1 ruble, 15 rubles
1 bitcoin, 15 bitcoins
1 milliBitcoin, 15 milliBitcoins


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on October 24, 2013, 07:03:31 PM
I should have known the British would fuck up my example. :)

Exceptions to every rule but generally currency units are plural.  
1 dollar,  15 dollars
1 euro, 15 euros
1 ruble, 15 rubles
1 bitcoin, 15 bitcoins
1 milliBitcoin, 15 milliBitcoins



but in german you only say Euro and not Euros.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: StevenS on October 24, 2013, 08:06:45 PM
but in german you only say Euro and not Euros.
...and German has some interesting capitalization rules.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: dserrano5 on October 24, 2013, 08:08:51 PM
but in german you only say Euro and not Euros.

Yeah, I don't see "euros" that much. "50 euros" sounds just weird.

In spanish, though, we do use plural.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: acoindr on October 24, 2013, 08:38:36 PM
Interesting thread. D&T you're both wrong and right ;)

It's true that in American English we often add 's' to denote plurality but it's also true our language comes from Europe where the 's' isn't always included for plurality, as in 50 euro.

This is a reason they say English is one of the hardest languages to learn. It's f-ed up and not always consistent.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: doof on October 24, 2013, 09:38:43 PM
Good thread.  When living in europe, i always said 100Euro or 20Pound / Quid.  20Bitcoin sounds right.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 25, 2013, 02:24:25 AM
Um the plural usage is right there in your quote.

Quote
and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

Do you also say I won five hundred dollar or man prices in the UK were expensive that [...] was 10 pound.

It is units of currency thus it is plural.   The only time the units of currency is singular is when it is one unit.

That will be one dollar.
That will be one bitcoin.

That will be two dollars
That will be two bitcoins.



I have a half dollar. I have .5 dollars.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Foxpup on October 25, 2013, 04:50:28 AM
Um the plural usage is right there in your quote.

Quote
and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

Do you also say I won five hundred dollar or man prices in the UK were expensive that [...] was 10 pound.

It is units of currency thus it is plural.   The only time the units of currency is singular is when it is one unit.

That will be one dollar.
That will be one bitcoin.

That will be two dollars
That will be two bitcoins.



I have a half dollar. I have .5 dollars.
But that's still one unit. A half is a unit. I have two half dollars. That makes one whole dollar. Simple.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 25, 2013, 06:56:21 AM
Um the plural usage is right there in your quote.

Quote
and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

Do you also say I won five hundred dollar or man prices in the UK were expensive that [...] was 10 pound.

It is units of currency thus it is plural.   The only time the units of currency is singular is when it is one unit.

That will be one dollar.
That will be one bitcoin.

That will be two dollars
That will be two bitcoins.



I have a half dollar. I have .5 dollars.
But that's still one unit. A half is a unit. I have two half dollars. That makes one whole dollar. Simple.

Is 0.5 considered one unit?


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Foxpup on October 25, 2013, 07:20:23 AM
Is 0.5 considered one unit?
No, but a half is, just like 1000 is not one unit, but a kilo is. One kilo, two kilos, one half kilo, and so on.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 25, 2013, 04:47:13 PM
Is 0.5 considered one unit?
No, but a half is, just like 1000 is not one unit, but a kilo is. One kilo, two kilos, one half kilo, and so on.

I see my error.

I have 0.5 bitcoins.
I have a .5 bitcoin.

Albeit not common to say it that way, the keyword in the phrase is "a", thus one unit.

Question: If a mugger said, "Give me your bitcoin!", do I had over to him the protocol or a single bitcoin?


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on October 25, 2013, 04:57:11 PM
but in german you only say Euro and not Euros.

Yeah, I don't see "euros" that much. "50 euros" sounds just weird.

In spanish, though, we do use plural.
Yeah, I didn't hear it either.
50 euro is much better.
Depends on the language though.


but in the case of bitcoin i would say: 1   bitcoin
                                                       10 bitcoinS  :D


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Abdussamad on October 26, 2013, 04:01:32 AM
I just use lower case bitcoin or bitcoins for everything. Uppercase Bitcoin just looks odd to me except when it is at the beginning of a sentence.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: b!z on October 26, 2013, 04:03:40 AM
Bitcoins - plural, capitalized.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Anon136 on October 26, 2013, 04:16:32 AM
on capitalization, I like this lots:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction#Capitalization_.2F_Nomenclature

Accepted practice is to use Bitcoin (singular with an upper case letter B) to label the protocol, software, and community, and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

but when it comes to the plural, I can't find solid info.  Personally I've been using bitcoin as the plural. 

"I have 5 bitcoin" instead of "I have 5 bitcoins"

then it gets hairy with fractions... do you have "0.8234 bitcoin" or "0.8234 bitcoins"

when looking at the SwC FAQ we write "Why do bitcoins have value?"  should it be "Why do bitcoin have value?" because that sounds fucked when reading it in my head.

technically its bitcoinz


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Abdussamad on October 26, 2013, 04:19:59 AM
technically it is btc or if you are anal about it BTC


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: bitspill on October 26, 2013, 04:27:04 AM
technically it is btc or if you are anal about it BTC
Or is it technically XBT?


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 26, 2013, 04:37:33 AM
on capitalization, I like this lots:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction#Capitalization_.2F_Nomenclature

Accepted practice is to use Bitcoin (singular with an upper case letter B) to label the protocol, software, and community, and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

but when it comes to the plural, I can't find solid info.  Personally I've been using bitcoin as the plural. 

"I have 5 bitcoin" instead of "I have 5 bitcoins"

then it gets hairy with fractions... do you have "0.8234 bitcoin" or "0.8234 bitcoins"

when looking at the SwC FAQ we write "Why do bitcoins have value?"  should it be "Why do bitcoin have value?" because that sounds fucked when reading it in my head.

technically its bitcoinz

Did you mean internetly?


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Tirapon on October 26, 2013, 12:37:51 PM
on capitalization, I like this lots:

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Introduction#Capitalization_.2F_Nomenclature

Accepted practice is to use Bitcoin (singular with an upper case letter B) to label the protocol, software, and community, and bitcoins (with a lower case b) to label units of the currency.

but when it comes to the plural, I can't find solid info.  Personally I've been using bitcoin as the plural. 

"I have 5 bitcoin" instead of "I have 5 bitcoins"

then it gets hairy with fractions... do you have "0.8234 bitcoin" or "0.8234 bitcoins"

when looking at the SwC FAQ we write "Why do bitcoins have value?"  should it be "Why do bitcoin have value?" because that sounds fucked when reading it in my head.

technically its bitcoinz

I like it. Can we make it official?


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Jocky on October 26, 2013, 01:09:25 PM
... should it be "Why do bitcoin have value?" because that sounds fucked when reading it in my head.

It sounds fucked becouse it's "Why does Bitcoin have value?".

Plural is difficult. The system revolves around chopping Bitcoin up and putting it back together so in essence there is not 'a Bitcoin'.
But this compare this:

"I've moved all of my Bitcoin to a cold wallet" - "Where did you put it?"
"I've moved all of my Bitcoins to a cold wallet" - "Where did you put them?"

'All of my Bitcoin' sounds goot to me, but 'Where did you put it?' doesn't seem right.
'All of my Bitcoins' can't be correct, however, I do like 'where did you put them?'.

Difficult...


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: illpoet on October 26, 2013, 01:58:02 PM
i has many bitcoinz!


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Kouye on October 26, 2013, 02:08:49 PM
I'd say:

1 Bitcoin
x Bitcoins
0.1 Bitcoin
0.x Bitcoins
0.0001 Bitcoin
0.000x Bitcoins

with x being anything else than 1 (101 is different than 1).



Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: dserrano5 on October 26, 2013, 02:11:48 PM
Not a native speaker but:

"I've moved all of my Bitcoin to a cold wallet" - "Where did you put it?"

[…]

'All of my Bitcoin' sounds goot to me, but 'Where did you put it?' doesn't seem right.

"I've moved all of my sugar to another place" - "Where did you put it?"

Sounds right to me, and uncountable bitcoin is just the same.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Phinnaeus Gage on October 26, 2013, 04:30:39 PM
Thanks to this thread, I'm now proud to be of Homo Semantics decent.


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: acoindr on October 26, 2013, 06:20:49 PM
Interestingly the word coin itself can be both plural and singular: I dropped my coins. He inherits a lot of coin in the will.

While Merriam Webster (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coin) doesn't show the plural use case and Oxford (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/coin) does, I believe those sentences are grammatically correct in both American and British English.

So I'd say as with much related to Bitcoin: do what you like  :D



Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: Anon136 on October 26, 2013, 07:54:37 PM
eh, if this thing ever goes mainstream everyone will just say bits anyway. "How much is that apple?", "Two bits please".


Title: Re: the plural & capitalization of bitcoin?
Post by: DiamondCardz on October 26, 2013, 08:03:10 PM
I should have known the British would fuck up my example. :)

Exceptions to every rule but generally currency units are plural.  
1 dollar,  15 dollars
1 euro, 15 euros
1 ruble, 15 rubles
1 bitcoin, 15 bitcoins
1 milliBitcoin, 15 milliBitcoins


1 pound, 15 quid.

Seriously, us British don't do normal.