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Being a member of quite few crypto projects groups on Telegram, I had to notice recent trend of many community members who think they will invest in ICO, then after the ICO end the token gets listed on Binance and the price doubles/triples, which lets them to sell the tokens and earn 200% over night. If that doesn't happen immediately, as ridiculous as it sounds, they start complaining to project owners why their investment didn't at least double and start blaming them for that straight away.

I would like to ask these people to come to senses and let the projects to develop the platforms for which the funds were collected. That way the project can really bring the value to communities and once that happens, there is a good reason for the prices to grow significantly. But let's not lose common sense by putting too much pressure on ICOs which will cause the projects to focus only on marketing and hype instead of proper project development. If you do it this way, you will thank me in a year or two.

This is no doubt about this, but what I noticed in this space is that hype of a project is put first ahead of value, none thinks about fundamentals again, now it is all about the project that can make the most noise in the space, off course one will not blame them because there are tens of whitepapers to read which is making it difficult to read through

That's the common cases almost all investors wants big pump in price after ico and earn money. No one eants to invest and then to loss. Certainly not all ico has a chance to make double or triple after it was added in exchanges. In my case if you are an investor you are not looking only on the hype of the coin or its price whats more than the price is the involvement of the team on the platform and their actual activities that is not only for short term.

A lot of investor are comparing the first investment they made in their recent ICO that had double, they really think that a developer is not doing something about this that is why they are complaining so much, I really get the point that if you had invest in something you need to have your 100% trust towards it because blaming will not help resolve it, And right now the market of cryptocurrency is on a brink of resistance at the moment.

not everyone wants big pump after the ICO. I personally prefer steady growth once there is certain part of the project delivered. My goal is not to double my investment in short term, as I know that if the project works well I can make 10 000% in 2-3 years.

You are absolutely right, but I see nothing wrong with that. Usually people who want to get rich overnight are the ones that are making big mistakes and, in the end pay the price. There are some lessons that can only be learned the hard way.

I agree with your point that it is in human nature. But what I'm trying to prevent is that impact it has on the projects when you open the telegram group and see all those complains that are taking the devs from working on the projects. That can cause harm to some extent.

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This not just apply in ICOs, but in many markets too. For you to earn you must put value to what project or product that you will be doing or selling, before you can profit. That is why you need to invest in many resources to put value in some before you can earn. But if you only think of making money because something is viral or has a trend then you will only lose money throughout your campaign. That is why most of the ICOs in the past failed, but some of it are just scams.

You should focus on investment and value. The value of crypto is something that crypto solves, which is the economic problem of the world. Choose an idea for the near future, low or moderate capitalization, and invest in it. I believe you will get the right profit.

I think you should just focus on News about coins. All market prices generally falling down , but if you find a good coin which keep in balance you can earn good profit.

i think its not the investors are the problem why the price of a token eventually drop after it is listed in an exchange, its the bounty hunters like us that always asking where can be exchange the token after the ICO ends, some bounty hunters are eager to sell off their tokens after they receive it not knowing the value of token when it is fully develop by its platform, thats why many investors get more profit because they wait for the project to develop and then sell the tokens when it reach the potential price of the token.

yes I agree, bounty hunters are very specific group of people but they're not trying to double their investment overnight, they're trying to get paid and dump the tokens asap. That is also hurting the projects because of ridiculous discussions in chat rooms instead of real talks about how to make the projects successful.

Finding good and promising projects is hell of a task . Most of the people don't care to go through the bounty thread of an ICO where they just tells about the basic functionalities of their project . People are just into spamming . They will pick up any random projects and airdrops and will depend upon their luck to shine upon them . Who would care to go through those huge white papers ?

I agree but also realize this is a long play strategy and may not jibe up with with short term goals.

Well, most ICO investors invest on projects that they think has a great potential. However, a funny thing about this investors is that a lot of them wants the projects to be listed on big exchanges to sell the coin immediatley for profit. Most investors are not really investing because the project is good and has potential, they are just after the name of the coin and planning to sell them immediately when the project starts to moon.

It seems to me that the price of tokens can not decrease from the actions of those who participated in the ICO. If the project is popular, there are always those who want to buy tokens. Many people call themselves investors but in fact have nothing to do with this business. They're just not the smartest speculators.

That's indeed.
How the majority of investors are only interested to flip their money in a short time through icos.

The team was getting so many complains and the same question regarding which exchange site to be listed the token itself.

It looks like the majority of them are forgetting about that. The major exchange site needs a lot of requirements before try to listed the coin. Just like bittrex will try to listed the token if there is a working product behind it.

I notice the same thing in telegram chat. Everyday, people will ask and spam the chat room with questions like “when exchange?”, “why the price dump?” and stuffs like this. I really admire the admin’s patience. These people think that earning x10 or x100 times overnight or within a few days.

This is already a common thing. Lots of members who ask too often when distribution. Keep in mind developers and teams are also human. we can not force them to continue working 24 hours a day because they also need rest. And one more regardless of the results we get later, just accept it. As you said above the focus first is the most important.

then what happens to the coins?become a shitcoins lol,and besides most of the ico now those projects are design for overnight profiteerings,they just create the project to get investments from community,then when the token released on binance quick bucks then boom,theyre gone

do you know why people like that? Because all of them invest in ICO just want to earn easy money like x5 x10 profit in short term after coin listed on exchange, but I don't like coin big pump after ICO because it's useless for coin holder, maybe it'll become pump and dump coin, I'm focus on project development and their product, after that I'm only need to wait for price increase, that's all  :)

It happen many times and not all the investor are complaining also the bounty hunter they just going to spam the telegram because of the low value, and besides if I we're the investor I would not listen to *100 after the end of the ICO instead I'm going to look on the project if the project is worth it to invest or not.

Wow, I liked your post actually. You speak the truth and this is what makes most of the ICO fail sometimes. Many times we say that ICO projects are turned into scams but in fact they are the results of those people not supporting it anymore. There is publicity of two types, one that goes completely in positive way where people speak about the project perfectly, they will tell that to others and the project starts getting huge investors base. But, when something is not in line with the project or if there is any delayed development of some kind, then there will be huge set back because of the same people turning back on the project developers. They will be saying all the nonsense about the project thus creating "negative publicity" amongst the people. Thats why they fail in it. But its our duty to stay calm and support the projects in such situation and win the profits.

Yeah you are right don't focused on the value but on the project and team because that thing will provide huge value in the future because.if they don't have that it will don't have any value.

yeah exactly, I have seen an investor praising the project and investing substantial amount and in a week time turning back on the project founders saying the project is utter shit, just because the price went slightly down during that week, otherwise nothing changed :D

I am already in crypto for few months, more than half an year and my purpose is to hold for long term. I am focused on the value

It is a sad phenomena that people automatically expect their coins to double and triple in value just like that but that is what some people expect! If every investor thought like this, the market would get dumped all the way down because not every moment is a moon moment. All I gotta say to these people is they are going to get burned one day with this mentality, it simply will happen to people who are impatient and greedy.

Being a long term investor, I must say I totally agree with your point of view. I do think that blockchain and others protocols (like Tangle by Iota for instance) will really change the way we live and work in the future.

I invested a lot in some coin/token which I believe are going to be disruptive and I'm not going to sell them for the next 2/3 years, no matter of current value, which is very unstable.

Certainly, there are also investors who think more in the short term, and I cannot say they are wrong; these are just two different strategies. I strongly believe in a new decentralized information economy.

Exactly, projects with a working product and real world use cases are the ones going to given you the real return on your investment. The ICO bubble is going to burst this year and with it their crazy valuations. Its better you safe guard your investment into projects with strong fundamentals.

we cannot pushed every people to patience and wait because even not happened for every investors but people want their investment value were increasing after ICO get listed so i think this normal because their target profit should be fullfil after being an investors from the particular projects and if those project hasn't successfully then they  will blaming to the devs and this is common thing

I have also noticed the trend, where people invest into coins or a project and immediately they see it listed, even if it is not on a big exchange, but that the price has increased, they sell immediately. Many invest not for value, but for price, just because of immediate profit, and this attitude has been seen to run some projects down, except the project has got good developing team.
Although, this should not be blamed on investors, the reason being that we have had some scam projects, where the developers pump and dump their coins immediately and an eventual abandonment of project sets in.

There are majority of people which expect to become rich once token is listed on exchange. In reality only a few of ICO raise so quickly. But those who have holded till product development, they receive all profit

Another problem on the investors is that they want their investments be doubled or tripled in a short amount of time. That's why the ICO's get pressured. Investors must know that they need to have patience so that the ICO organization would not be hassle and can focus on how there project will be developed.

The fact is that many receive their profits from the sale immediately after the distribution. But we must understand that the project chosen by us will develop for some time and as a result we will be able to get real profits only after a year not two.

There are many ways of investing and thing with cryptos is that you can potentially sell very fast for a profit. That is something that does not happen in other investment vehicles like shares.

These people is only about the money they can get,they arent morelikely interested to the technology or the platform which the project has to offer.Most of these people doesnt even do researching before investing that is why most of the people are getting scammed because they are too lazy to check the team's profile and the roadmap. IMO they should be doing a lot of research before getting involved to any of these projects.

For me, I see ICOs as a way that one can get to express his/her believe in the capacity of cryptocurrency to solve a particular problem. At the point of believing inn the project, it would not be difficult to hold on to the coin for as long as one decides to either sell part of it or fully. However, based on my experience and interaction with people in the crypto space, i have observed that 90% of ICO investors purely do so for speculative and profit reasons. This could slow the industry down in the medium term and be very toxic to its long term growth. But at the end of the day, we are still at the very early stages of crypto evolution and we are bound to see things like this happen.

It is standard practice to conduct inexperienced people that come in ICO and then not know what to do with coins and whether they sell.

I also found it, they whined like babies. even they told the team an ICO to jump in the market for the value of their coins rise.
they do not allow the developers to focus on their projects, I understand they are investors but when they whimper just because the price goes down it will be a poor quality forum. because there will be a lot of cries from those who start wanting to get a profit in 1 night. whether it is a strategy for the development team to start doing the work or just screaming for them to get a quick profit.

that is exactly my point. Now they're even trying to jeopardize the projects by saying how the markets are falling etc. With certain guys it's just not possible to speak reasonably...