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Title: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: yxt on October 25, 2013, 11:41:17 PM
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/petition/Petition_contre_les_amulettes_danimaux_vivants_en_Chine/?faTFUeb%20=
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Why this is important
New fashion jewelry in China, animals living under plastic containing a liquid nutrient and oxygen that allows them to live up to 2 months.

This is cruel and should be condemned by the international community.



Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: Mike Christ on October 25, 2013, 11:43:50 PM
I don't see the problem.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: dank on October 25, 2013, 11:45:20 PM
That would make potential for a very bad trip.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: yxt on October 26, 2013, 12:04:34 AM
I don't see the problem.


Then you have my sympathy ::)


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: Mike Christ on October 26, 2013, 12:05:39 AM
Then you have my sympathy ::)

I don't need it.  If you'd like to actually explain the problem, that would be far more useful.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: yxt on October 26, 2013, 12:32:25 AM
http://troll.me/images/futurama-fry/not-sure-if-trolling-or-just-stupid.jpg (http://'http://troll.me?p=2802')


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: Mike Christ on October 26, 2013, 12:34:55 AM

That's not an argument.  Try again.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: yxt on October 26, 2013, 12:44:42 AM
look, I will not discuss this with you.
If you think there is no moral problem with using living animals as fashion accessory and let them die slow and painfully for that, ok your opinion,
surf along, dont sign the petition.
But don't waste our time here...


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: PrintMule on October 26, 2013, 12:50:04 AM
I wonder how those things can survive for that long

But I do not see a problem here either. Why it's ok to kill other animals on industrial scale while it's bad to keep a small animal in a small container for a period of time?

I can only agree that it's a "bad taste" but not the end of the world.

If you would like to touch China on animal issues, you should target poachers and such, who hunt rare animals pieces for boogey-woogey-woo-do medicine magic. Those animals are at least endangered.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: Mike Christ on October 26, 2013, 12:56:33 AM
look, I will not discuss this with you.
If you think there is no moral problem with using living animals as fashion accessory and let them die slow and painfully for that, ok your opinion, surf along, dont sign the petition.
But don't waste our time here...

The same goes for you; don't waste my time with these pointless petitions about problems that don't matter.  We generally have a hierarchy of problems in which we'd like to solve, usually ranging from people problems to everything else.  Now, considering the major people problems of today, that being world poverty, hunger, and a plethora of cannibal states that refuse to stop empire building, I ask you why, of all the things we could be devoting our time to, you feel this, this one problem, which has nothing to do with anything that will ever matter to me or you or the people who agree that this is not wrong, supersedes everything else.

Consider this: business A makes living animals in keychains.  Group of people B buy these keychains.  You would assume, if B really thought this mattered, they would not buy the keychains, and yet they do, which means: they don't care.  The business and the people are perfectly content with this product; it is, however, apparently such a big problem, that people who have nothing to do with the purchasers of these items must assert their disliking for these keychains.  There is a simple, effective method for ending this, if we truly agree that this is wrong and should not happen: we would not buy them.  In other words, the business would not exist if there was a real problem.

It is completely in the burden of you, the person who has presented this petition, to explain why you believe this petition matters.  Otherwise, you have no business posting this anywhere; this is hardly anything more than moral laziness: "I don't want to actually be virtuous, so I'll just sign this petition and make myself feel better over not doing anything to help anyone."

If you're really worried about the animals, why don't you go for bigger targets?  Are you aware there are bigger targets?  Are you aware there are greater problems?  Do you care?

I'll ask again, and I expect a fully detailed reasoning as to why you believe this issue matters: what is the problem?  You must certainly accept all other forms of animal abuse if this is the tip-top of your worries.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: yxt on October 26, 2013, 01:03:27 AM
Why it's ok to kill other animals on industrial scale while it's bad to keep a small animal in a small container for a period of time?

I have never claimed.
But I can see a difference between a fast death and a painful perish

If you would like to touch China on animal issues, you should target poachers and such, who hunt rare animals pieces for boogey-woogey-woo-do medicine magic. Those animals are at least endangered.

feel free to link another petition   ;)


@Mike Christ
lol, How am I wasting your time?
I have not asked you to post here, just ignore it.
You want to discuss obviously.
But no problem, you can have the last word


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: dank on October 26, 2013, 01:33:32 AM
I have moral issues with keeping pets after many years of doing so.  It's not wrong or right, but you have to feel from the animals perspective.  I won't own another pet unless I am there to constantly love it and spoil it.

Would you like to be bagged up in a nutrient oxide gel for the remainder of your life just to die a slow death while hanging off a kids backpack?  No?  Well tell me, what's the difference between an animal's consciousness and ours?  Nothing.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: TECSHARE on October 26, 2013, 07:31:29 AM
I want one now, good job!


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: elasticband on October 26, 2013, 07:35:54 AM
look, I will not discuss this with you.
If you think there is no moral problem with using living animals as fashion accessory and let them die slow and painfully for that, ok your opinion,
surf along, dont sign the petition.
But don't waste our time here...

+1 yxt, thank you for promoting this to the community. Dont feed the trolls, if anyone pretenda they don't see anything wrong with this they are juat a waste of forum space.


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: elasticband on October 26, 2013, 07:44:40 AM
If china has social problema relating to humans I could not give a fuck, humans make their.own stupid choices. Did any one of these animals choose to he put in a little pocket of gel and kept as a toy for a selfish humans amusment?
Humans act like they own this planet and they do not, if I ever saw someone with one if these i would do the same to them.
Trap them, steal them from their family and imprison them for life for my amusement

Mike christ i feel sorry for your selfish human outlook, In case you could not tell I value Animals more than I value selfish humans like you



Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: 2dogs on October 26, 2013, 08:31:47 AM
Causes.com would be a good website to use - there is even a special animal section:

https://www.causes.com/


Title: Re: STOP living animals keychain/lucky charm in China
Post by: Lethn on October 26, 2013, 08:36:35 AM
Finally, outrage about animal rights I can finally understand, they should at least kill them first before putting them in something like that >_<