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Title: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: 2dogs on October 26, 2013, 07:50:21 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/30/4786008/john-mcafee-d-central-device-avoid-nsa-private-network


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The gadget might sound like something straight out of a Bond movie, but McAfee wants to build it and sell it for less than $100. "There will be no way [for the government] to tell who you are or where you are," McAfee says. Effectively, it works by creating small private networks that act as a dark web that's inaccessible to others. McAfee says he has been planning the technology for a few years, but work on the project has intensified "rapidly" over the past few months. It's not designed to replace the internet; instead it provides a localized dynamic network where users can communicate in private and share files. It will provide a private and public mode, and McAfee says he's planning to use public nodes too.

Discuss:  Is the guy still high on drugs or will he save the internet?



Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: knight22 on October 26, 2013, 08:29:55 PM
At least, he is pro bitcoin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM51_LXblYk


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: auto2nr1 on October 27, 2013, 02:22:05 AM
At least, he is pro bitcoin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM51_LXblYk

Good video. Thanks for sharing.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: jambola2 on October 27, 2013, 09:13:45 AM
Pro-Bitcoin and anti NSA ?
I may uninstall Norton Antivirus and buy McAffee anitvirus now.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: pinger on October 27, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
At least, he is pro bitcoin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM51_LXblYk

Good video. Thanks for sharing.

Fuck, this man knows how the world works, he's my new favorite.

Thanks for the video.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Lethn on October 27, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
Awesome :D I like this guy now too, it'd be brilliant if he really did become CEO of Microsoft lol.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: 2dogs on October 27, 2013, 04:54:34 PM
Pro-Bitcoin and anti NSA ?
I may uninstall Norton Antivirus and buy McAffee anitvirus now.

LOL!  He sold McAfee antivirus about 15 years ago and has nothing to do with it anymore.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: papaminer on October 27, 2013, 05:00:35 PM
$100 is too expensive...

TOR is "FREE"


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: freethink2013 on October 27, 2013, 05:01:09 PM
Pro-Bitcoin and anti NSA ?
I may uninstall Norton Antivirus and buy McAffee anitvirus now.

LOL!  He sold McAfee antivirus about 15 years ago and has nothing to do with it anymore.
Apparently he still gets people asking him how to uninstall mcafee so he did a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg




Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: s1lverbox on October 27, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
At least, he is pro bitcoin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DM51_LXblYk


I do see his point. And what a great guy he is. I would never believed thats the guy behind mcaffe if someone told me that and showed me him on the street.

:)


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: moneyboss on October 28, 2013, 02:10:56 AM
this is an interesting fellow i wonder if this gadget really works and if it does how would it work...


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Spendulus on October 28, 2013, 12:11:14 PM
http://www.theverge.com/2013/9/30/4786008/john-mcafee-d-central-device-avoid-nsa-private-network...

Discuss:  Is the guy still high on drugs or will he save the internet?


Yes.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: high110 on October 28, 2013, 12:18:10 PM
$100 is too expensive...

TOR is "FREE"

Tor is "slow" And silk road still was closed down even though they used tor.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: herzmeister on October 28, 2013, 02:30:30 PM
well his box will have to use open source software so that it can be audited, otherwise he can make promises all day long.

and the hardware will be thoroughly examined i guess.

though i wonder why develop it in secret for so long, and not as an open project á la freedom box etc from the beginning?


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: darkmule on October 28, 2013, 02:42:42 PM
Discuss:  Is the guy still high on drugs or will he save the internet?

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.  

Also, he's not talking about the Internet necessarily, but a local network that may or may not have a gateway to the larger global Internet, or may connect to other networks in some sort of an internet, or both.  Mesh networking has been an idea for a while, and should have strong encryption built in at the hardware or firmware level.  What's lacking is a ubiquitous, popular box that is so common that it won't stand out to be transmitting such signals in public (or that disguises itself as more mundane traffic).


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Spendulus on October 29, 2013, 11:56:34 AM
Discuss:  Is the guy still high on drugs or will he save the internet?

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.  

Also, he's not talking about the Internet necessarily, but a local network that may or may not have a gateway to the larger global Internet, or may connect to other networks in some sort of an internet, or both.  Mesh networking has been an idea for a while, and should have strong encryption built in at the hardware or firmware level.  What's lacking is a ubiquitous, popular box that is so common that it won't stand out to be transmitting such signals in public (or that disguises itself as more mundane traffic).
if such a box had built in functions that encouraged different means of accomplishing ends, though, that would be huge.  For example, it might encourage peer to peer email, destroying current server based email systems. 

It might store entirely or partly, the last billion google searches, and disassociate search with user id.

I am not sure why the idea of 'a box' is necessary as these functions would preferably be built right into devices.  And the entire OS in a router can be replaced with something like Tomato.





Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: darkmule on October 29, 2013, 02:17:07 PM
I am not sure why the idea of 'a box' is necessary as these functions would preferably be built right into devices.  And the entire OS in a router can be replaced with something like Tomato.

I love Tomato.  I actually installed it first when I was trying to keep our wireless net up and available to all the tenants in my loft and get rid of the idiot on another floor who was not only sucking up bandwidth but getting me hit with threat letters from porn companies because of his unusual predilections.  Also passwords weren't working because despite stern admonitions, people just gave out the password to anyone in the building.  Bans by MAC address worked, though (someone who was less of an idiot would have worked around that but there were other ways), and redirects to a website on the server itself with Johnny Cash flipping them off and a "PAY FOR YOUR OWN INTERNET YOU THIEF" did the trick.

Also I was able to identify the idiot and redirect the porn-scum lawyers to him personally (as well as get his credit card numbers SSN etc. but I deleted that).


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Spendulus on October 29, 2013, 02:34:26 PM
I am not sure why the idea of 'a box' is necessary as these functions would preferably be built right into devices.  And the entire OS in a router can be replaced with something like Tomato.

I love Tomato.  I actually installed it first when I was trying to keep our wireless net up and available to all the tenants in my loft and get rid of the idiot on another floor who was not only sucking up bandwidth but getting me hit with threat letters from porn companies because of his unusual predilections.  Also passwords weren't working because despite stern admonitions, people just gave out the password to anyone in the building.  Bans by MAC address worked, though (someone who was less of an idiot would have worked around that but there were other ways), and redirects to a website on the server itself with Johnny Cash flipping them off and a "PAY FOR YOUR OWN INTERNET YOU THIEF" did the trick.

Also I was able to identify the idiot and redirect the porn-scum lawyers to him personally (as well as get his credit card numbers SSN etc. but I deleted that).
Cool story!

Side note, Tomato could be extended to encompass a lot of the functions that McAffee talks about, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist alongside his box.  He'd probably like that...


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: darkmule on October 29, 2013, 02:44:45 PM
Side note, Tomato could be extended to encompass a lot of the functions that McAffee talks about, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist alongside his box.  He'd probably like that...

The guy truly is nuts, but he knows what he's talking about.  I think he'd probably go for some kind of open protocol on this that could be built into pretty much anything.  He rolls that way.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: pinger on October 29, 2013, 04:53:50 PM
Side note, Tomato could be extended to encompass a lot of the functions that McAffee talks about, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist alongside his box.  He'd probably like that...

The guy truly is nuts, but he knows what he's talking about.  I think he'd probably go for some kind of open protocol on this that could be built into pretty much anything.  He rolls that way.

I think it could be just a vpn on hardware or something like that. Will see it when he release it.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: freethink2013 on October 30, 2013, 10:14:44 PM
Side note, Tomato could be extended to encompass a lot of the functions that McAffee talks about, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist alongside his box.  He'd probably like that...

The guy truly is nuts, but he knows what he's talking about.  I think he'd probably go for some kind of open protocol on this that could be built into pretty much anything.  He rolls that way.

I think it could be just a vpn on hardware or something like that. Will see it when he release it.

it's two things apparently, firstly it'll encrypt your comms but also if enough people have one it'll work like a mobile mesh wifi network


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Spendulus on October 31, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
Side note, Tomato could be extended to encompass a lot of the functions that McAffee talks about, but that doesn't mean it couldn't exist alongside his box.  He'd probably like that...

The guy truly is nuts, but he knows what he's talking about.  I think he'd probably go for some kind of open protocol on this that could be built into pretty much anything.  He rolls that way.

I think it could be just a vpn on hardware or something like that. Will see it when he release it.

it's two things apparently, firstly it'll encrypt your comms but also if enough people have one it'll work like a mobile mesh wifi network

spontaneous encryption in a local mesh cannot be broken.  i looked into this matter a while back based on a bet with a friend....


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Shallow on November 02, 2013, 09:26:47 AM
McAfee for world leader! Who's with me :D


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on November 02, 2013, 10:59:35 AM
If it works and is easy to use, i will buy it.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: rauderce on November 02, 2013, 02:53:35 PM
If he's pro-bitcoin it means that he's open to more ideas. I wouldn't mind trying it out


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: nimda on November 02, 2013, 03:58:29 PM
John wanted-for-murder McAfee?

Actually, never mind that. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how terrible McAfee Antivirus is. How can you block the NSA if you can't even write a usable UI?


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: herzmeister on November 03, 2013, 12:01:39 AM

Actually, never mind that. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how terrible McAfee Antivirus is. How can you block the NSA if you can't even write a usable UI?

guess you didn't get the memo, he sold the company looooong ago, and no, he doesn't know how to uninstall it either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Shallow on November 03, 2013, 01:08:18 AM

Actually, never mind that. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how terrible McAfee Antivirus is. How can you block the NSA if you can't even write a usable UI?

guess you didn't get the memo, he sold the company looooong ago, and no, he doesn't know how to uninstall it either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg
This is why he needs to be world leader


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: darkmule on November 03, 2013, 01:47:02 AM
John wanted-for-murder McAfee?

Actually, never mind that. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how terrible McAfee Antivirus is. How can you block the NSA if you can't even write a usable UI?

What's funny is how desperate McAfee the corporation is to distance itself from its namesake, when even being wanted for murder, McAfee is probably more wanting to distance himself from the corporation he started.  I'd rather have McAfee the maybe-murderer in my house (especially if he brings whatever weird research chemicals he has in his stash) then I would have that malware disguised as antivirus software on my computer.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: Rupture on November 03, 2013, 05:11:52 AM
Is it a piece of paper that says "get off the internet"


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: luv2drnkbr on November 03, 2013, 05:26:43 AM
So he's building a router with Retroshare as firmware basically.

(Yes, I know that's not firmware, but it seemed a good way to get my thought across.)


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: darkmule on November 03, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
So he's building a router with Retroshare as firmware basically.

(Yes, I know that's not firmware, but it seemed a good way to get my thought across.)

Assuming he's actually doing it and not just saying he is.  People like him sometimes float vaporware concepts just to see who's interested.


Title: Re: John McAfee wants to sell you a $100 gadget that blocks the NSA
Post by: nimda on November 04, 2013, 03:40:03 AM

Actually, never mind that. That doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how terrible McAfee Antivirus is. How can you block the NSA if you can't even write a usable UI?

guess you didn't get the memo, he sold the company looooong ago, and no, he doesn't know how to uninstall it either

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKgf5PaBzyg

This is great. I take it back, now I might be in the market for his product. Murder allegations be damned, it was a pretty funny story while he hid in his own complex.


Then again, one has to wonder at the NSA-avoidance capacity of the guy who got caught with image gps metadata.