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This is a scam warning about a member of this forum blacklilac (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70557 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=70557)) and any of the enterprises he's involved with.

An associate and I invested a total of approx 45 BTC in ASICs from www.2asic.com in 2 separate orders back in August, the site touted all orders would be despatched within 10 days of placement and that they would only sell units they had in stock.

As you'd guess neither of our orders were despatched (in fact they're still showing as "processing" when I log into check).

I attempted to contact the company multiple times via their listed email and phone number (I also went as far as getting someone to attempt to visit their office in Vancouver, they were unable to locate it) with no success and in the end I joined this forum, made a thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=298625.0) so I could then contact blacklilac (who is a partner of 2asic.com) and bring his attention to the matter. Please refer to the content of this thread for background.

As you can see from the thread, Blacklilac (AKA Jordan Lear) was quite quick to join the discussion and to explain that a partner had recently left, allowing some orders to "fall through the cracks". He provided assurances that he could either ship the units with a 35% discount or immediately refund the BTC. He also responded to my PM asking me what the order numbers were etc so he could refund.

Obviously I was pleased to see this response and was largely reassured that this was not a scam (just poor business management), it took me a few days to reply to his PM as I had been travelling..but even though he logged into the site regularly he never replied back.

I waited another couple of weeks for blacklilac to respond to the several PM's I sent him before finally telling him I'd make a thread calling him out (as well a list of other actions). He actually replied to that PM saying he'd arrange the refund by October 14th. The reason I'm making this thread now is because he did not.

DO NOT do any kind of business with blacklilac or the sites he's involved in (www.2asic.com, www.asicminer.info, www.blacklilacfinancial.com). I really don't know if he's perpetuating a scam on some level, is a negligent businessman, or is simply incompetent, but any of those possibilities should prevent someone from trusting any pursuit he's involved in.

I'm going to keep this thread active and provide additional information I have collected about blacklilac/jordan lear and if you'd like all the information I have feel free to PM me. The same applies if you have something you believe you can contribute to resolving this, if I can't get a refund I'll pursue alternative options.

I was running short on time and didn't review the recommended format for making a scam accusation.

All of the other relevant information is in my previous post (albeit not in the recommended format).

I can provide images of PMs etc, but the link to my original thread establishes the basis of my claim.

Blacklilac logged in earlier, hasn't bothered to defend the accusation.

He's the domain owner to asicminer.info, these are his registered details;

Company: Jordan Lear Black Lilac Financial Corporation
Address: 1155 W Pender St Vancouver British Columbia V6E 2V2 CA
Phone: +1.8774207992 (no longer in service)

He popped up again to peddle his wares; https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397827.msg4344259#msg4344259 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397827.msg4344259#msg4344259)
He didn't like getting exposed when I brought up the BTC he owes, so when accusing me of trying to extort him didn't work he just deleted all the posts related to what I said and locked the thread. Here's the posts before they were deleted (don't know how to make it appear full size but you can save and magnify the image from this link http://tinypic.com/r/r2khol/5 (http://tinypic.com/r/r2khol/5);
http://i44.tinypic.com/2q3x7ut.png

What a great guy.

Well on a different deal it does look like he is a scammer...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397827.msg4356637#msg4356637

He sold a bunch of Casascius coins after taking a partial payment then does not reply.  Lesson learned.. trust not a single person on the forums!

Have any Canadians been scammed by him? Not sure how much weight a police report from a foreign citizen will hold, unless it's a very substantial amount of money.

There was a 25 btc casascius coin on that thread -- did anyone buy it?

Well I left neg trust...hope everyone else does also to prevent someone else getting screwed.

I've managed to collect a substantial amount of info on him. Enough evidence to get the police involved on serious fraud potentially.
It's people like Grant Millar (*jordan lear*/Blacklilac) that perpetuate the worse parts of Bitcoin.
I personally am not letting him get away with this.

I replied to your message...you should also ask Nightowlace the same thing.  8)

I think that bitkoin00 was scammed out of plenty... He also seems to have info on him.  Wonder if your home address and his match up?

I thought I smelled something fishy when I was asked to escrow two separate transactions involving BlackLilac and he canceled on the deals once the escrow address was funded.

I can talk to the PI I'm using for more info on that. Potentially it may require the services of a lawyer to collectively represent the complainants (which isn't cheap, but then theoretically he can be made to pay for all associated costs pending the courts decision).

And yes blazedout, nubbins and I have the same address for him.

BlackLilac didn't learn a lesson from the SR/DPR debacle. He left footprints all over the place :P

I really do not care about getting my BTC back as much as watching this guy get burned.  ;D

It'll be good to hold at least 1 of the Bitcoin scammers out there responsible for their bullshit.

It would be great to finally get some justice on one of these guys.

Any movement on this guys?

Yes. The PI is going to get in touch with a contact he has in the Vancouver PD to assess legal options. There's another side of the investigation that wouldn't be a good idea to discuss in this thread also.

PM me and I will give you my personal contact info

If needed I will provide my information also. 

Ditto.

Thanks, I'll be in touch as required.

Let me get this straight. A donor to this forum scammed people. I bet that never happened before.

https://www.youtube.com/user/grantsmillar

Has used grantsmillar@yahoo.com.

There is a Steven Grant Millar who has a police record in ID, but I haven't made the connection yet.

I see where the Jordan Lear came from: http://whois.polodomains.com/domain/7FgLboiwEC4ZfN6PEtpT3aD-htebIN58_info.html

I assume you already have his other user name: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141937.0

And bitcoin address: https://blockchain.info/address/1BLACKL7UKcyHrDybu91hM44jGFt8bysXs

Thanks for taking this on Phinn!!!

Hi Phinn- thanks for your input with this.

To give you a summary of where I'm at, I know who he is and where he lives (I also know his gmail address and had his phone number until he changed it. This is another of his profiles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109112 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=109112)). He probably has at least 1 other profile too, since his latest scam and being called out I'm sure he's checking activity on the forum wondering how worried he should be getting but he's not doing it on any of the 3 I'm aware of.
At this point it will either go 1 of 2 ways, 1. I'll give him a last opportunity to return the BTC he owes or 2. It becomes a legal matter (I've discussed this with authorities in Vancouver and know the options available to me).

I'd be happy to go into more detail for you by PM and once this moves in the 1. or 2. direction I'll update this thread with more information. I don't want to disclose too much openly at this point however.

I would like to proceed with legal action if I am not reimbursed. Blazedout419 is also on board.

Ah, I pm'd OP with all of the details provided. I guess everyone is ahead of me, sorry about that OP.

All good, thanks for getting involved.

For sure, I'll be in touch shortly.

I've been contacted by 2 new members over the past week.

The first "curious1" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=241762 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=241762)) wanted to know how he/she could avoid being ripped off using BTC- they have not logged back in since they read my reply (where I explained I was fortunate that I had been able to collect the personal details of the person who scammed me and was making it a legal matter).

The next message I just received from a "holt007" (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247771 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=247771)) who had this to say;

Hi,

I am an Investigative Assistant with the BC Securities Commission.  It was brought to my attention that there may have been a breach of the Securities Act involving Black Lilac Financial Corporation and associated individuals.

I would like to talk to you about what happened.

Could you please contact me at xxxxxxxxxxxxx.

Thank you.


Anyone else been messaged by either of these people? I find it highly coincidental that I would be messaged by 2 separate brand new members within a week.

Interestingly "Black Lilac Financial Corporation" was never a registered company as I understand, whereas 2ASIC was, and yet this individual refers to them and not the registered company.

(BC stands for British Columbia as Grant Millar is from Vancouver) I'll call the number provided when time zones permit and update.

http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/about.asp?id=16 (http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/about.asp?id=16)

The number I was provided matches the first 6 digits of the listed contact number on the BC Securities Commissions website, assuming they use DDI's it looks like this may be a legitimate contact. I'll call them when timezones permit and I'll provide the number as required to anyone who has been scammed by "blacklilac".

http://www.canada411.ca/ (http://www.canada411.ca/) has a reverse phone number lookup service, it would be worthwhile running the number there to see if it is indeed the BCSC or if it's just someone trying to suss out how much info you have.

Good call, however I actually called the number and it indeed went to the voicemail of someone at BC Securities Commission. This is turning out to be a very interesting development. The private investigator had this to say "I can tell you that if the person is legit, the BCSC is very aggressive and effective in pursuing and prosecuting violators".

My only concern is that it seems they're mandate is based around fraudulent investments rather than consumer purchases but if it pours more dirt on his coffin then that's fine by me.

Well if it causes that scammer some serious headaches I say go for it! 

This is interesting I believe you have this but you can check the way back machine to associate addresses

https://www.blacklilacfinancial.com/businesses/

http://web.archive.org/web/20130125040323/http://www.blacklilacfinancial.com/businesses/
http://web.archive.org/web/20130125040627/http://www.blacklilacfinancial.com/firm/

Black Lilac Financial Corporation
1155 W Pender St
Vancouver, BC
V6E 2V2
Canada
1 (877) 420-7992

Phone number leads to a medicare ad
http://www.thevegasvoice.net/issues/pdf/2013/2013_05_may.pdf

Appreciate the input.
I've spoken with the BC Securities Commission and will submit the information to Canadas "anti fraud" department (who will not take action of themselves but will retain information on file for use in potential future legal proceeedings).
Admittedly this hasn't had my full attention lately but I'll arrange for the PI to deliver a document outlying how I can prove Grant Millars fraud, the agencies that are aware of his conduct and the legal action I am capable of taking if he does not take responsiblity.

This guy has switched his name to JordanL and was last active 8 days ago.

We all need to get together on this...

This is relevant again and appears to be Moriarty

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=892946.0

lol I have nothing to do with this nonsense. 

Give me some credit, campy.  You really think I would call a business 'blacklilac'?  How fucking dumb does that sound?

Slightly less dumb than "BitLaunder".

About as dumb as saying you've got a PhD from Stanford.  

http://thebitcoinnews.com/2014/05/17/an-exclusive-interview-with-bitcoin-networks-dr-michael-moriarty-stanford-phd-becomes-bitcoins-doc-ock/ (http://thebitcoinnews.com/2014/05/17/an-exclusive-interview-with-bitcoin-networks-dr-michael-moriarty-stanford-phd-becomes-bitcoins-doc-ock/)

Or using a legit University of British Columbia psychiatrist name to register a half dozen scam sites.

http://psychiatry.ubc.ca/person/grant-millar/ (http://psychiatry.ubc.ca/person/grant-millar/)
https://whoisology.com/email/archive_6/grantsmillar@yahoo.com (https://whoisology.com/email/archive_6/grantsmillar@yahoo.com)

Hey, everybody, here's how MoriartyBitcoins stole $80K from me: 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdf.yt%2Fd%2Fmy4WXYC_J7KTlrMh%2Fdownload&ei=vF-PVIX_DNWlyASzp4KABA&usg=AFQjCNFMB0W65hbJy6TTCqEpByzOAKZykA&sig2=_NzH1SinjuqO-JdWBnJOvA (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDQQFjAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fpdf.yt%2Fd%2Fmy4WXYC_J7KTlrMh%2Fdownload&ei=vF-PVIX_DNWlyASzp4KABA&usg=AFQjCNFMB0W65hbJy6TTCqEpByzOAKZykA&sig2=_NzH1SinjuqO-JdWBnJOvA)

I hadn't been active on here for some time. I see he came back. If anyone wants to know his real name and last known address pm me.

there needs to be a way to take down his web sites.  I just likely got screwed for about 0.4 BTC on Bitplastic.com

Is he associated with Bitplastic too? I haven't kept up with this one.