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Croatian altcoin child board is full of ICO announcement threads, it is hard to read or follow anything there and because of that conversations about altcoins moved to local board, which IMHO should be about bitcoin and everything related to bitcoin.

As we don't have moderator, can we at least get new child board for ICO/bounty threads separated from altcoin child board?

Can someone clean board?

Can we get moderator?

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Yes I agree with you. It should be renamed Altcoins (Hrvatski) in Altcoin ANN, and add new child board Altcoins Discussion (Hrvatski). Of course we need a moderator.

I agree that moderator in Croatian part of forum is urgently needed.
I agree with I. Grozni - there should be one section dedicated to Altcoin ANN, and one section for Altcoin discussion.

That is irrelevant to the topic and would be best reserved for a different discussion. Even if you have good intentions, attempting to derail the thread in this manner is definitely not the way to go.

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I remember that in the French local board (IIRC) there was a poll for a new moderator and the users made a discussion about the best fit. Perhaps the same can be done in the Croatian section.

I too agree that we need a moderator because there are posts that should be made sticky and, of course, there are posts that should be moved or deleted.

And I agree that we urgently need a moderator of the Croatian part of the forum.
I agree with I. Grozni, ovcijisir, slackovic and marlboroza.

We definitely need a new child board for all ICO/bounty threads. It would be a good first step in getting Croatian boards more enjoyable. Another moderator for Croatian boards would be helpful also, but I heave a feeling this will be tougher to achieve so let's start with child board.

I couldn't concise it better neither. We need some order there ASAP.

Agreed, I recently joined and it's hard to navigate in current form.

I am also for a Moderator of the Croatian section. Would be much nicer that way.

I'm also from Croatian local , I agree with rest of members about getting a moderator. Mostly because atleast once per week we get some spammer which start topic how to make money.. Example : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2910593.0  .  We need to put some topic as sticky so new members can easy learn about merit or opening account on exchanges.

I support this too, in its current form altcoin subforum is actually ANN forum,
and totally unusable for altcoin discussion

Yes, I also agree.
We need new child board for ICO/bounty threads separated from altcoin child board in Croatian subforum.
We also need moderator.

It has to be done, the section is becoming a bit too messy to comfortably read important topics.  :-\

I'm agree with that Croatian part of forum needs child board for ICO announcements. That would improve our community for sure, also it would be beneficial for better viewing and orderliness of forum. I hope that Bitcointalk team will consider our request.

ps. What do you think about adding Offtopic section? That could be useful likewise. :)

I agree we need this.
The board is filled with ICO threads that spam the board so we can't see other threads.

A moderator is probably needed as well.
I just started a thread so people can say if they'd be willing to be our moderators
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3221724.msg33512118#msg33512118

After which I'll make a poll to see who the community sees fit to run this.

I hereby join this request. This is really crucial in order for this subsection to become useful again.

You don't need a child board, you need someone to clean that garbage out. There's this thread, but it is a joke: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3221724.0. The only two people from there, that could be remotely considered, are OP (from here) and iluvbitcoins (out of those that applied, I mean).

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More child boards as a solution to spam doesn't really work, they're essentially treatments for symptoms but not for the cause.

Child boards are just like sweeping the shit into a different room and more boards = more time mods have to waste moving pointless threads in there. Besides, I really think we should prohibit Alt Coin sections in Local boards or at the very least limit them to the larger ones. Do we really even need an Alt Coin section in the Croatian board? There's not even that many Croatian users here and that board has never been that active. All it is is another place for Bounty Hunters to post their (usually badly) translated Ann threads. See here:

https://i.imgur.com/Ul0ApsO.jpg

Just look inside those threads. As far as I can tell nobody other than the op has posted in them. Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3071906.0

He just spam bumps them every day to nobody. Utterly pointless. The Croatian board really doesn't need an Alt coin section.

Bitcointalk + altcoins sub => solution : create a new sub for altcoins/bounties and make it exactly like serious discussion. They can spam whatever they want but they will not get a cent nor activity from it!
Obviously, every topic posted outside of that sub = punishment.

How many reported posts/topics are unhandled?
Ok, one altcoin board without new child boards, but all altcoin-ico talk should be there, right? Not in main board.

No, but if that means that Croatian local will be flooded with altcoin/ico talk then yes. So - yes.
Actually, those are very good translations, although they should be in serbian local...
And that is reason why main board is flooded with mining altcoin/MEW/ico/bounty/etc threads.
Of course we do, we are small community but growing, I don't think anyone who is new should read in main board "how to find good ico" or something similar and because of that altcoin section is necessary, you said "wasting time for mods to move topics to altcoin board", if you remove altcoin section then moderator will waste time trashing topics.

The most discussion about altcoins are in main part of the forum, because Altcoin board is full of ANN topics...

That is the reason why most of users don't post in Altcoin child board.

If there would be Altcoin ANN board dedicated to announcements, then the ANN topics would go there and Altcoin discussion board would be easy to read.

Then altcoin discussion wouldn't be on main board, but on Altcoin board.

However, at the local Croatian forum, there are people from the ex Yugoslavia which she had 22 million people very similar languages. Today, at least 22 million of them live around the world. If only a small percentage of these people are involved in the crypto this forum has its purpose. As a growing community, I think we have the right to a local moderator who is a native of Croatian and who knows exactly what is being written on the forum rather than assuming the title of the topic or using a translator. It should not be that much philosophy from other moderators.

I also support this initiative.
We need moderator or at least new child board for announcements (Altcoins) threads separated from Altcoin child board in Croatian subforum.

I think it is important to point out that a large number of people from the area of ex Yugoslawia gravitates to the Croatian subforum, because practically the same language. For those who do not know the difference Between Croatian and Serbian languages is like comparing the differences between American and British English.
It is important that the moderator understands what is written in a post, does not have to be a native speaker of the Croatian language.

I don't understand why is @hilariousetc against new child board for the ANN posts. New child board will only bring more readability and organisation to the Altcoins section and it literally doesn't cost anything (except few minutes it takes administrator to create it).

And tons of hours to clean it from useless spammy topics/posts...
I understand how hilarious think but on the other side I am with giving local board their proper subs. I gave a solution, not that perfect, but at least it could nullify potential spam reasons.

I've already said why. Getting rid of that alt section and moving any Ann threads that are posted there into the trash will bring about even more readability. There's little to no demand for alt coins there and it's pretty much just bounty translators spamming away to themselves. It's not needed.

Why no one wants to trash ICO announcement topics?
Isn't it because it is allowed to translate topics in local sections, no matter no one reads them?
Non of these topics are bitcoin related:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3110407.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2979136.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3039904.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3197072.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3124917.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3270787.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3014163.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3196935.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3229278.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3259453.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3119547.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3211435.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3248641.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3109239.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3013800.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052292.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3256675.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3267987.0

Still, they are all in main board. Isn't main board - bitcoin local board? If it's not, and if it is "all-talk" local then fine, I will lock this topic and I will never ask anything again.
Honestly, I don't see how electroneum fits in main board. Or MEW. :-\

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That is not true.

I partially agree with above. All that ANN threads are mostly useless. But while translated ANNs are allowed on the forum we can't simply ask the people to not post them. People are getting paid for that. I am not advocating for myself here. I have also done some translations but wouldn't have a problem to stop doing if that would help the comunity.

Child board for Announcements would make Croatian part of the forum much more readable. The problem is that ANN threads make altcoins section unreadable and then people post altcoins content in the main Bitcoin section.

If we get a new ANN child board I believe we can clean most of the stuff by ourselves. We can make a topic asking people to move their threads to appropriate sections and after let's say two weeks we can make a community effort to warn via PM the topic creators which haven't complied.  After about 1 month time I believe we would have mostly taken care of everything and we could simply report few remaining topics to be removed. That way we could significantly reduce time for moderator actions. Even without that last part I believe that all remaining wrongly posted topics would be on later pages which is something I can live with :)

@hilariousetc Along with the ANN section we could get a moderator too. Who would most probably deal with all the missed sections and spam.

I totally agree with you. Deleting the topics is unfair to the OPs who put hours of work into the translations. Just like you I do translations as well and the translations on the Croatian local board are of good quality and NOT bad google translations.
If they are in the wrong section just tell us where to move them and consider it done. We will move them ourselves together with our Moderator.

Thanks  

Or just get rid of that alt coin board and then you probably don't even need a mod.


They're only allowed if there's a dedicated board for them. Get rid of that board and then they're not allowed. When the only people posting them are bounty hunters it's even more pointless and shows there's little to no demand for them.

Let me just begin by saying I am not trying to pick a fight with you but I just want to talk about this and try to change your mind.
Taking part in bounties is a normal thing and a legit way of earning crypto currency. You have an avatar and a personal text that promotes BountyHive, so I assume you are also a bounty hunter, am I correct? So am I. I am also a translator which gives me an opportunity to take part in translation bounties - which I do. But I am not here to only take part in bounties.
But just because our local forum doesnt have a dedicated section to post these translated bounties you suggest that it is fair that our threads get deleted and in that way preventing a big language community (Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro - all speaking the same language) from taking part in them?
Why is it fair to delete and prevent our local forum from participating and not do the same to the Spanish, French, German community etc.

Shouldnt we have the same rights as the others?

No.


Pretty much nobody seems to be taking part in them other than you and this is where you're obviously incredibly biased. We don't need an entire sub board just so you have somewhere to earn a little bit of extra cash.




No. Those boards are bigger and far more active, though I wouldn't be against getting rid of all the local alt coin boards or especially ones that nobody else is posting in. This is a bitcoin forum after all and the main Alt coin board is enough in most cases. We don't need them for every local board especially when hardly anybody is posting in them apart from people who are only doing so to earn money.

You need to check Serbian topic. there is general confusion. We also trying to get local board, but It's very hard approval.
ANN ICO translation brings most of the mess

I would just add that in Croatia there is a lot of people in Croatia who don't speak english very well so there is definately need for ANN board on Croatian language.

It is true that some of ANN threads don't have a lot of replies, but they have a lot of views.
The main goal of these threads is to inform people and they serve this purpose well.
The only thing that we want is special ANN board.


The trouble is that ANN and altcoin threads are mixed and that hinders readability.

We just want them separated to make our local forum more pleasant and easier to use.

I am one of those who take part in the bounties you are right but there are quite a few people there besides me who have been part of many in the past and have much more experience and many more active threads then I have. But even If I wasnt I would still not support the idea of deleting them just because I dont like them.
Imagine that you are a content creator making youtube videos for a living or as a hobby and you have plenty of these videos on a forum. One day someone says "I am sick and tired seeing all these videos and promotions, I suggest we delete all of them". 

The local groups I mentioned are bigger I agree. Our community is not that big but it is still growing. Certainly there are people who are only watching, reading even if they are not actively participating in the topics because some of them have a lot of views. One day they might register and participate. People are slowly getting used to the technology, they are mining, exchanging ideas on local forums outside of BTT so there is interest and its constantly growing. 

https://i.imgur.com/dKkgBDc.png

Rickbig41 has moved few altcoin topics from main board to altcoin board, which means they shouldn't be in main board, if you remove altcoin board then someone will have to move these topics to trash, and who will do it if not moderator?

I am curious why "croatian crypto", "POS and masternode coins" and "what are airdrops" have been moved to altcoin board, while "lilecoin", "how to buy and sell ERC-20 tokens using bankor network", "switch to Monero for better profit" and other altcoin topics which are springing up like mushrooms after the rain are not moved to altcoin board?

I wouldn't call this "altcoin section is not needed because you are small" nor I would say moderator is not needed because both are needed.

There is not a place in the world left without politics. Incredible.

Finally!!! I hope bitcointalk officials will hear this call because is more than needed. Thank you marlboroza

What makes you think people won't post altcoin threads because there isn't an altcoin board?

The subforum would just get drowned in unrelated threads without any organization.
We'd report the topics to the moderators which mostly wouldn't understand what's been said in the threads since they don't understand the language.
And the owners would get their threads deleted for posts that ARE crypto related, just not BTC related.

If you look at the Croatian section right now, you'll see this

http://prntscr.com/j4qxu0

All the topics I've outlined are not related to Bitcoin.
And if they're moved in the Altcoin section, they'd just get drowned among all the ANN threads.

The Croatian section is relatively active, perhaps not as much as some of the others but we're active and growing.
And there certainly is interest in altcoins and in BTC, however, some are only interested in 1 of those and the threads we'd be willing to read get lost among all other threads.

Organization is the only thing we're asking.
We don't preferr scrolling through a hundred ANN threads to find the 1 altcoin thread we were looking for.
Nor we preferr having the main subforum area filled with altcoin threads.

It's not a hard thing to do, to add an ANN section but it'd make a lot of people lives a lot easier.

They will. But they get warned and banned if they persist as it's against the rules to post alt coin threads in boards that don't have an alt coin section.


I'm sure people would love to talk about Sports but we don't need a sports section in there as well. Whether there's another section or not you'll still have to just scroll through the dozens of threads that are just getting posted by the op and nobody else purely for the bounty translation.

Please read through this.
Especially the first screenshot.

Summary of a post I made earlier.

http://prntscr.com/j5pxb9

Yellow- Altcoin related
Blue - Bitcoin&Altcoin related
Brown - Bitcoin related
No color- forum related

And these aren't shitposts.
These are decent threads, check for example 2 of the outlined ^
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3196935.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3052292.0

If we visit the Altcoin section, we'll see that there's only one thread that's not an ANN
http://prntscr.com/j5pzlw

There's altcoin threads in the main subforum everywhere, there's hundreds of ANN threads in the altcoin section and reporting posts is basically useless since other moderators don't speak Croatian.

Our desires have been manifested here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3212995.0

Aparat from an ANN thread, a thing we would really use is - a moderator.

In another thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3221724.0) we've discussed who'd be willing to perform this function and 2 users applied + korni74 who states he'd only be willing to be a 2nd moderator. After that I announced I'd be willing to perform the function too if it was bestowed upon me.

We performed a poll to see who the community supports, as the French community did previously.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3289460.msg34323126

Is it allowed to post altcoin threads in local board which has altcoin section?

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Conclusion:
-As reported altcoin threads haven't been moved to altcoin section, it is allowed to post altcoin threads in local board and there is no need for new child board.
-As only posts in altcoin section are ICO announcement translations which no one reads, there is no need for altcoin section.
-Altcoin section should be trashed and every altcoin thread in local board should be trashed as well, but as long as altcoin section exists, altcoin threads are allowed in local board
-moderator is not needed in Croatian local because moderator will waste his time moderating Croatian local

On side note, I am selling contradictions, send me PM for price.

In the following image, you can see all the Bitcoin related threads in the subforum in yellow.
All the others are mostly altcoin related.

https://i.imgur.com/TOi6OvL.png

In last few days all altcoin related threads that were on main part of the forum were placed in Altcoin section.

Now altcoin threads are mixed with ANN threads and it is almost impossible to find altcoin related thread that you want to read.

Admins please visit our local  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=221.0) forum to see for yourselves.

 

Finally some progress  :)
Good, it was impossible to find any bitcoin related topic in main board.
You can bookmark them, you can use search button and you can spend literally 1 minute to find thread you followed.

Or better - as you indirectly said that you don't want to read announcement threads, put these guys on ignore and you will easily find altcoin threads which you like to read because altcoin section will look like this:
https://i.imgur.com/7heBEmV.png

 ;)

Let's face it, there are many new altcoins and ICOs out there that have uninteresting and/or worthless ideas and only want to suck money out of the market. However, this in itself is not reason enough to completely remove the local Altcoins child board.

In my opinion, the best solution is a separate child board for announcements just as the main 'Alternate cryptocurrencies' section is divided into 'Altcoin Discussion' and 'Announcements'.

I also think that we need moderator fort our croatian forum.
Someone has to make order there.
Now, it's really difficult to fund some threads, nobody controls spam etc.
We also expressed our opinion about possible moderator through pool so please consider it.
Thank you.

There are too many topics to bookmark every one of them, and also new topics sink to page No.2 very fast and it is hard to keep track of the new posts coming up.

Also adding people who translate ANN posts to ignore list isn't the best solution for me, because they also participate in forum and are part of our community too.

The best solution in my opinion is making separate ANN board, so the people who are interested in new projects have dedicated place to explore new ICO's. And in the same time altcoin discussion board can stay clean and easily readable.

Indeed.

Although putting the translating users on ignore helps with the visibility in the Altcoin section, it's not the solution.
Those are good translations and those are good users (egetrorx, dkbit98,denis-z12...)
We just want a seperated ANN section from the usual Altcoins section.

A lot of us are not interested in ICOs, but are interested in altcoins.
Some are interested in ICOs though.

Both of us suffer in this sort of section division.

I would like to know if it is really so hard to make special board for ANN topics.

Our request is really simple:
1. To have ANN board
2. To move all ANN threads from Altcoin board to ANN board
3. To have our local moderator who would keep order and move threads to board where they belong

I agree with all suggestions.
Please note that we are already very long time without moderator and have a lot users in our local, Croatian forum, even from other countries like Serbia, Bosnia, Slovenia.
We have a lot activities and need someone to moderate all content and take care about spam.

Any progress here? We're getting a lot of new members recently and local forum is congested and hard to navigate even for older members.

Please update, we're not that small as a community - Croatian local is for 5-6 countries that speak the same language.

Greeting! I completely agree with the older members of this forum that the order should be inserted between the theard.
I am new here and I can say that it is quite difficult to deal with so many scattered post :-\

Necro bump  ;D

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Thanks for creating new boards, I have little question about something. The thing is, Croatian local has "altcoin" and "altcoin announcement" board, but there is larger number of bounty topics in "altcoin" board and it looks ugly.

Should they be moved to "altcoin announcement" or left in "altcoin"?

I'd definitely move it, it's the same thing as the ANN threads.

The idea of a dedicated altcoins board was to make it easy to navigate and start meaningful discussions and bounty threads do not serve that purpose.

I'd definitely keep the option to have them - you never know if bounty craziness will return. But they belong in the ANN part of the local.

I suggested to add on OP about who are willing to accept task in moderating if ever a certain board you ask for will be provided. It should be voluntary so that the admin will not obligate to pay moderating a small section of board. Hopefully OP, you can reach out the admin regarding with whom will volunteer to moderate without pay. Moderating will be an extra baggage in the part of who will going to moderate.

This is not how mod system works, you can't just say "I am willing to work for free, make me a mod", and you get one. I highly doubt this is a matter of payment, but whether admins think we need local mod or not, based on certain criteria like number of spam posts and possibly overall board activity. We have another topic in meta about the same subject and another one in Croatian local board so rest assured we are doing what we can.

Regarding your previous suggestion that you mentioned, iirc that post was deleted so you should see it as hint not to talk about stuff you don't know much about just in order to fill signature quota and yet again you come with the same thing.

Would you please do me a favor and fuck off from topics which I started? Spam your signature somewhere else. "Thank you very much."

source: Elvis Presley

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Ok, but they are not announcement threads, actually, I am not sure what was the purpose of translated bounty topics in our board as most (if not all) of these bounties had that "post 10 times per week in altcoin section" requirement. Someone could have easily created topic and write something like "there is good bounty for X project, if anyone is interested here is topic in altcoin", and, we already have 2 years old topic (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2929934.0) dedicated to bounties. I don't know, but somehow bounties don't fit in neither altcoin or altcoin announcement, well, I would personally trash all bounties from that section but that is just me  ;D
I know, right?

Well, thank you for the notice. I am not shitposting here for I am just expressing my thoughts about your concern. For your information your threads belongs to bitcointalk.org but you only were the one started it and based on my understanding with due respect all members can posts in someone's thread except if there are rulings applied in that certain thread.

Now, I had fully understand why admin for now did not answer your concerns. Tsk...

I may be taking a wild guess here, because I've proudly stayed out of shitcoin bounty projects for some years; but back when I did participate in a few, the translation used to include both the ANN and the Bounty thread; not sure why, but that's what you got paid to do (if you ever got paid at all). I doubt things have changed much in the last 3 years. The only "reasonable" thing you could tell your local bounty hounters is to post the bounty post as the second reply on the ANN? Most won't ever listen tho (and of course, report any shitty translation)

Yup, that's true. They were a part of the requirement for bounty hunters to get paid.
I know threads like these don't contribute to meaningful discussions but neither do 'Ferran Torres is a great defender' posts in gambling boards.

Both are written so people would make some money and I'm ok to tolerate it both as long as bounty managers do. I'd just like to remove all these bounty threads (or delete them - hunters already got paid for all of these I guess) so our altcoin section is finally discussion only. Doesn't matter that the other one is called ANN, we all know it actually means 'spam'.