Bitcoin Forum

So heres the issue....

When you play on FortuneJack DICE with the free satoshis it has parameters that you have to bet within, like not going below certain odds (high payouts).

This is understandable, being that it is free satoshis... ALTHOUGH FJ's wording makes it seem like when you deposit you will have full control of your bets. This unfortunately is not the case. I decided to give the site a shot and threw .25 eth into my account after playing the free satoshis and being irritated with the limits since my betting strategy for dice is to bet with 900x+ payouts. Many times I have bet 9900 just trying to hit the 0 and i have won a handful of these on other sites over the last few years.

Anyways on FortuneJack they wont allow you to bet below .10 (990x) on the under, and for the over you cant bet more than 50x (98.00)

this is very deceiving and if I would have known they have limits like this I never would of deposited. Im shocked that with all the dice action out there no one has complained about this scummy behaviour yet. In my opinion this alone make the dice something other than provably fair, i cant even call it as fair as blackjack in a regular casino with limitations.

This gives them a huge advantage and tricks players that have used the free satoshis into thinking once u deposit you can make any bets.

This is what you can expect for customer service when you go ask about it and complain...
"
sorry, but if you have some issues with games, Please, provide the following information for technical group to investigate the issue at support@fortunejack.com :
1. Game name
2. Time played
3. Round ID/Transaction ID
4. Stake amount
5. Provide screenshot if possible
6. Describe the issue you faced

"

they wouldnt even respond, so i guess ill post this here and then if it gets real bad then ill make youtube videos to expose the scam that is FJ

You can try to make youtube video and show the world how dumb you are. The policy for each site is indeed different but that doesnt make them not provably fair. I wont try to defend them because it is useless, when you made the video then alot of people will know that there is nothing wrong with that. If you dont like it , leave it

You should know that every dice site has their own rules since they own it. Any casino could put any limit they want as long as everything is provably fair and players are getting paid properly. With the limit they have I guess they want to protect their bankroll because it can also be risky to the casino if the max profit per roll is too high for the bankroll.

If you want to continue this you better post your complaints here in this thread below they'll surely read it.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.0

just because you are unlucky to not win a single bet with your crazy high odds , doesn't mean they are shady.

indeed there a lot of winner at primedice with that kind high odds but you can compare the betting volume for both , fortunejack are a casino with a lot of games there where primedice are a dice site that offering single game called dice. so it is very reasonable when you feel you should win at least once after a lot of shots but you did not make it , feel upset and throw words leads to an accusation , a weak accusation.

umm funny how only people come to protect this fortunejack site but they have done many shady things in the past, they are theives and liars.

The main problem i have is to induce players into depositing by making the dice look like you willl have full control when your not using the free satoshis to bet.

they need to take that bs off there because its simply a LIE. they have changed the game of dice completely and its a scam.

Fortunejack site is one of very well known gambling site here in the forum, they had many accuses of being scam.
Actually, the FurtuneJack account was tagged by sir manager yahoo by delayed paying of almost 3bitcoin won by their player or maybe it turns to scam and it takes almost 3 months of waiting for the fund.
Heres the account who's tagged in Furtunejack gambling site. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=303298

And here's there complainant thread against them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2961440.0

So, what can you say about this? indeed Fortunejack site is near my luck when I was on their site.

agree, you can submit a complaint there and may get a quick response ,, or maybe if you like the game dice, you can try bustadice ,, because since his arrival in the gambling world ,, there has not been seen doing any hard related complen ,,, bustadice has a pretty good reputation for you to try ,, click my signature

What did support say?
Research provably fairness.
I just tested dice from faucet, there is no difference between faucet bets and bets made from deposit.

---

First you said this:
And then you said this:
It is contradiction.
Why don't you post from your real -ve account?

---

Besides, which site offers 1BTC+ dice jackpot for 100 satoshi bet?

He wont do such thing because he would make his account even more useless on receiving another negative trust. 8)  All the things hes trying to tell here is always been contradicting and I suspect he lost all of those deposited amounts on playing dice and now creating an issue? Not a surprising thing for some gamblers who do easily cry when they loss money on playing gambling. Playing on faucet amounts will already give you the idea that those odds wont really be available if you have tried it on those earlier times then you wont really decide to deposit because you cant input your desired odds. If you don't like the rules then you can simply find another one as simple as that.

You have to prove that it is not provably fair, that is something way different from what you described. What you are saying is that their terms and conditions are not fair for free money. But your case is different. You are insinuating that their site is not provably fair by arguing that they won't allow you to get better odds and win, like in your other sites you said you won on.

From what I understood you want to bet low odds? BitDice allows you to win up to x990000 your bet on dice.

Here's a little introduction:

---

BitDice Casino (http://bit.ly/BitDiceBCT)
BitDice.me (http://bit.ly/BitDiceBCT)

---

Variety of Games and Currencies

BitDice offers Provably Fair games including Dice and Blackjack with more games on the way.

These games are available to play with Bitcoin, Litecoin, Ethereum and Dogecoin as well as BitDice's own token, CSNO.

We also offer a variety of exciting Slots provided by Endorphina and GameArt. These games include the Bitcoin themed game Satoshi's Secret, Dragon King, Safari and many others.


Quick Deposits and Instant Withdrawals

Every deposit is credited upon confirmation and most withdrawals are instant.


High Betting Limits

BitDice allows you to win up to 15BTC, 100 ETH, 500 LTC and 20M Doge per bet!


Your Security is important to us

BitDice aims to provide the highest security for its users. This is why we offer 2FA, withdrawal and login confirmation by email, whitelisting IP address, default withdrawal address option and much more.


Bonuses For Both New and Existing Players

We offer Bet Back, Loss Back and Treasure Chest bonuses to our players. (http://bit.ly/BitDiceBonuses) The more you wager the more you earn with our leveling system based on wagered amount. And that's not it! There's tips and rain given in the chat daily.

---

-BoXXoB

PS. Don't hesitate to message me if you have questions

BitDice.me (http://bit.ly/BitDiceBCT)

This surely isn't a good sign for bitdice who spams every single gamble post suggesting to gamble on their site , i'm happy i sold those shit tokens of yours which is listed on all shit exchanges and in terms of divided there is nothing
Regarding the post this isn't the only accusation against them if sometimes there fake system fails and people make profit they ask for kyc and take months to process withdrawals it's always better to stay away from the scam

Last dividends were a success... the upcoming ones will be a success. You are allowed to have your opinion but there's nothing wrong in advertising a site when it's relevant. The user wasn't satisfied with the site he played at so I offered an option where he could do what he intended to do.

I'll gladly remove my post if a forum moderator etc. thinks it should be done. My reply wasn't off topic.

EDIT: Thought I'd add that I posted because the poster seemed to have a problem where he couldn't freely choose the odds to play at. This can be done on BD and thus I deemed it relevant to post some information about the site.

I don't have a issue with you posting information about your site as i said i really loved your site in the past but  from the past few months a lot of changes caused me to stay away from your site , the reason i posted this is because you made this similar posts on few other topics as well

I post same information because the information stays the same. I'll update it as I see fit but it's same post because I've collected relevant information to it.

May I ask what are the reasons you've stayed away from the site? The fact that we ran an ICO?

Yes it is because of the ico you did raise a good amount of funds you could have utilised in the best way but your team was too late the token price kept crippling below the ico price , it was no longer profitable to hold the token because the supply was so high that dividends received was too less and slowly it became another shit ico coin

I cant see that this would be a valid reason towards on having an own token for people to stay away from the site. If you did invest into their token then its quiet normal to think off on the risk involved where you can earn some or you would lose some if dump do already happen.I have seen BitDice (CSNO) do have 100M supply with 70M in circulation been wondering if those 30M remaining is locked or what?

@topic, you accused FJ because it didnt met your criteria when it regards to their maximum bet limit.Ridiculous  :-\

It seems O.P didn't like the set of rules that was enforced at FJ before he gambles.
FJ was accused of anything if somehow they violated some rights of players and I am speaking not on behalf of any association I have on FJ staff, it just didn't matter if someone lost they whined about how it is cruel to have a fucking rules etc etcetera but if they won they might playfully imagine to create a dedicated thread as if they owned the world.

Just because there is no option to bet with high multiplier, then you accuse a site as scummy and not provably fair? There is free satoshi to test first before you decided to make deposit, didn't you try with high multiplier with the free satoshi?
If it is how you accuse a site, then there will be another sites that you'll say as scummy as well. One of them is coinroyale, because the max multiplier allowed is 100x.
It is a rule dude, sites reverses the right to have their own rules. If you do not like the rules/terms then dont play on the site. Bear in mind, to check all rules/terms first before you decide to create an account or deposit.

Aren't you trolling Bitdice and going off topic here? There is a user that's disatisfied with FJ, Boxxob has given him a alternate solution which is valid as that fulfils the op goal, to play at a casino where he can bet the way he likes.

Now you're bringing a completely off topic issue of those tokens, I assume you have sold them which is a shame, every investment works good in the long run and Bitdice is one of the best promising casino so you're just displaying personal vendetta which is not correct. There're further dividends coming and if you're holding them hold it, you should know their team is really putting in lots of efforts, I would gladly write here about the new promotions but this is not the topic to discuss it, come see our Ann and be patient all will be good.

I feel the op has got a viable solution let the op make the best choice.

Different gambling site different terms and conditions at the time of creating your account you will be ticking all of them so you can't complain after you lost in the games,we all knows that gambling is just purely luck based and dice games we don't have anything to do with,if you are lucky on the day you can win.If you still not convinced with their service them better to move to another gambling site than creating FUD thread against them.

I don't have any problem with the fortunejack in any of games and I don't think that fortunejack will scam people because I see that fortunejack is one of the gambling site that has a good reputations among the gamblers. and I see that many people have a good experience in the fortunejack although they cannot win the money.

Actually you are highjacking different gambling discussion thread. You might control posting or it might give Bitdice a bad image here. You can create your own discussion about Bitdice and how interesting it is and besides AFAIK you have own ANN thread right? This thread is created by gambler that don't want to accept his loss. He might do this to Bitdice if ever he lose again.

Yeah this is not the right thread to discuss about other sites but he can say other sites as the suggestions.But some people really can't take their loss so they will involve in action in these kind of actions.Gamblers need to knows that they are risking their money to earn more money but risk means the chance of losing is more than the win when compared to winning percentage in gambling.

OK, first on to OP.

1. Probably never wise to complain like this unless you've already waited for an official answer and never got one.
2. I just went in to test. It does seem you can't bet on max payout (or min) if you bet really low. Can't seem to find the minimum values to "unlock" the odds/payouts, checked Rules and couldn't find it... so fair point that it should be easy to see this on a site - or at least a help button or notification should pop up to show.
3. You probably misunderstood what Provably Fair means. Your complaint doesn't in any way address if it's provably fair.

And on to BoxxoB's suggestion, what's wrong with suggesting a site that fits what OP seems to require? It's relevant to the main issue. I'll go on and suggest two more where all payouts are eligible to any player, faucet, deposits, 1 satoshi bets, or otherwise: crypto-games and Bitvest. Max payouts work fine for even 1 satoshi, with no withdrawal restrictions if you meet the minimum.

I am completely aware of all the risks involved with investing in a ico and i expected that the price would surely fall and people will dump the reasom why I'm angry is because the site didn't do what they promised and never applied for more exchanges which led to this situation

Actually there are two scam accusations opened against the fortunejack site for not paying the rewards after win the games.And it is an huge reward and our DT members also lefe negative feedback on them and now revised to neutral ratings stated that they are paying lately the big rewards.

For more info about those case just see here 1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2489072.0
                                                                 2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2961440.0

But those are them not relevant here but actually wanna say they also have some negative sides. :D

You are right they took bit long time to pay rewards to players, but the end of the day the problem was solved it was a happy ending. every casino has loopholes and some negative sides nobody is 100% perfect am I right?

Sorry to say bro but you sound like a broken record. FJ have their policies and if you read them pretty well, you must have seen it and if you are not cool with it, you can as well just move to somewhere else that would please your style of game, rather than throwing unnecessary darts at them. You will only end up being laughed at even if you decide to make a YouTube video out of this. A lot have used FJ without complain, and you are only free to call them scummy, when you hit a huge jackpot and you end up not getting paid which has never happened.

FJ is a gambling site with many games, of course we know every game has rules and rules that are different from other gambling sites. Do not you understand that?
dice games is a very difficult game for most people, because there you have to have a good strategy and feeling to win. just because you do not have a good strategy and good luck you blame FJ as a bad site, I have no problem with FJ until now. of course, people will also say the same thing.

I wonder why people even expect so much from gambling anyway and if he is not cool with the policies of Fortune Jack on the way they have decided to do their thing, then, why not find the one that he feels will suit him.

It is a free world and any gambling platform can decide to do whatever they like, but trying to make them sound scummy because of that actually makes the OP himself sound ridiculous. If you cannot point out something else shady they have done, then sorry, you do not have a point to hold anything against the platform.

Sure, go ahead and make a youtube video that will only get 5 views. If you think you got scummed, then leave it. No one is forcing you to stay. I can see that you do not know how to play. And please, if you are talking about fairness, just drop the idea and improve your critical skills. Posting this thread will get you nowhere. If you are against the idea, at least back it up with valid proofs rather than some sentences in the absurd. Have a lovely day.