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I buy bitcoin at14000 and eth at 1200 and they only fall in price. Cryptic are scams wish I never invested. I should of listen to Warren buffet

If you had invested in bitcoin and Ethereum as considering for short term,you will feel like this.I think you had brought both og this coins in the month of January.How you judge a coin in two months.The people who had brought bitcoin at the price of 2000$ and sell after five months with the price of 19,000$ become a millionaire.You should keep your coin with patience.

LOL, I can understand your buthurt because of this price fall mate. However, with in some months as like every year we will find the bitcoin and all the crypto bumping in the month October onwards to January. So we all can utilize that situation to sell the bitcoins for our needs.

Don't worry there are many whales confirms that bitcoin price will grow and touch the 20k USD before this year ends. I hope you need to wait until that. Still looking to sell means you will really worry about the price falls by comparing that time to now.

We can not say scam. Last year, the price for this day was $ 1050 BTC, the price of ETH is 50 dollars.

neither you did research at time of investment nor doing now .

tell me did you invest in crypto blindly !! without any research ?
if you did research then you must be aware of bull run and now from 2 months market is bearish .

but you want that all time there will be bull run which is not possible for new tech .

I bought at $1000, so I am sure that it is not scam lol  ;D what is the point with that. No matter at what price you bought or sold, it can crash to $100 or rise to $30.000, this is crypto...

The one who bought at $1200 is not interesting how much ETH was a year ago  ;D Bcz now he lost 75% of investment. Good step to be rich. Home investors always pay more then other

Yes, you shouldn't have invested. You thought crypto is an easy way to make fast cash. By entering at wrong prices you yourself is regretting now. If you are not aware of this high volatility of cryptocurrencies then why did you invest first? One needs to research before investing.

What is not a scam, stock market that Buffet was into is also a scam because the price is all based on perception. You need to be rational here, the market will surely bounce back I just hope you did not invest all your savings into the space. The problem with most people is that they sell when they should be buying and buy when they should be selling

Dont blame crypto blame yourself and other people who feeded this bubble :D

dollar backed by thin air is not scam but crypto is .
anyone can print any amount of fiat currency , who can verify !!
banks and govt control this and we don't have any public ledger for this (fully trust-able)

well i will not say crypto is completely safe , even vitalik and ltc founder says that only invest reasonable amount and be ready for 0 value any time .

bcoz it is only 10 years old and still fighting with banks and govts .

feeded this bubble !!

you joined this forum for jokes ?? or movie related talks ??
this forum is completely dedicated to btc and crypto space .
by registering on it you also feeded this bubble .

I also think they can be big scam. I didn't bought ETH and BTC at thoses prices. Nobody can guarantee that Bitcoin is going to be worth $100000 and ETH $2000. It is just price speculation. They can be worth near 0 too. Can ZCL return to $240? Who knows, it maybe can too. But lots of people are also saying that it is a scam coin. But there is not a lot of difference between ZCL and BTC. And the utility of ETH is only to be able to participate in other ICO. I don't think it is worth its current value.
At thoses prices, if you didn't immediately sold thoses coins for another coin, it is really risky. It is like playing at the casino. The actual price of ETH and BTC are still very risky. I wouldn't recommend someone to buy them now. Only if you want to immediately participate in an ICO.

If you think Bitcoin, Ethereum and others, are a big scam, you probably did not understand anything about the crypto world...

We are witnessing the birth of a new economy based on decentralization. Probably the world is not ready yet, but bitcoin has laid the foundations for future development. This year will be absolutely bearish, I do not frighten because I understand that we are still just beginning.

We are currently at the phase of “developers are building”. It takes some years, but most of the job is already done. Forget about market capitalization in 2018...I am so eager to see coming years.

I do feel sorry for a lot of newcomers like you, to be honest, but I suppose you should have all known the risks associated with investment. Not just Warren Buffet, any investor will tell you that most basic of fineprint, to only invest what you can afford to lose.

If you bought at those prices though, then it means you've not been investing for longer than five or six months. Did you really expect to be making so much (or so little) in this period of short months?

What you bought when investing? Technology? Assets? Privacy? A guarantee of going to the moon next month?

Lol go cry somewhere else noob

Wow, who do you then blame for this calamity that have befallen you. It really not about listening to Warren but about you entering the market with so much understanding on what it entails. On the forum, the advise has always been you can invest but do so with basic rules in mind which is, never invest more than what you can afford to lose and two when you put,  be sure you won't need it short term because the time of wait might be so long even though short.

You cannot call someone or something a scam because you timed the market badly and made a bad investment decision. That is rude, unprofessional and totally uncalled for.
And don't be that pessimistic, just hold, it will come back......

No way...I don't think this bitcoin and ethereum are both scams. That is not true. That decrease of prices is just the result of volatility. It will never drop forever and it will increase soon.

what's happen if BTC price is $20000 and ETH price is $1000 now? Do you say that or not? Scam or not scam do not depend on the price. You must look at their usefulness in the economy and their development.

unfortunately, you have missed your chance to sell for short term profit when the price of btc reached 19k and ETH 1300, however, it won't be a problem if you want to have profit from holding your coin for long term, then you should be have more patient and wait until the market rise again, don't be too much pestimistic thinking about scams, btc and ETH are both great coins, so their value will increase again in the future.

it must not be so cruel. if this is a hierarchical order. in the last year's surge, everybody got money in their pockets. the states have already launched laws and investigations into this system, even though it is likely to be scam.

Price may vary from time to time but its technology will remain good. BTC and ETH is not a scam, its just so happen that correction is normal on every market, if you don't want to lose money then cryptomarket is not for you, don't expect to make money always.

Yes, although the market is falling sharply, I have always believed in the future of the entire cryptocurrency market. Bitcoin and Ethereum are the two leading crypto trading volumes in the market so I believe it will recover very well in the market. This is a very good time for investors to buy good crypto at a very cheap price.

Because you lost money on your investment it does not mean it is a scam you just do not understand how the market works.

Even if you invest it in the stock market or commodities if you bought it in the peak most likely you will also lose money. You are a type of investor that will invest their money without knowing the risk and not knowing the market their going to invest to.

Sorry to hear that you bought in at that time. But, from that, it's clear that you didn't know what you were dealing with. You didn't do your homework before investing. You probably did that just out of FOMO. So, it will be hard to say that crypto are scams with your points.

You're facing almost 50% dip and now have started to call crypto a scam? Amazing! I myself in a loss too, but I'm holding. If there is downfall there will be the uptrend too. Fortunately, you've invested in the authority projects. If you still have not sold then I'd suggest you hold. Also as per listening to Warren Buffet, what if prices rose up? Keep calm and hodl.

Sir, how long have you entered in this crypto world that you consider that bitcoin and ethereum scam? bitcoin and ethereum is a promising and had plenty of evidence on this subject.

if you see the price of gold coming down suddenly, would you mention gold is a scam, I think you also need to know a lot about bitcoin and ethereum, you can hold it as a long term investment if you want and do not sell it cheap

cryptocurrency trading is a high-risk buying and selling digital asset, so think about and do some research before starting to including in the crypto world.
trading bitcoin and altcoin is not an instant way to make money, all must be calculated and we must know when the best time to buy, when to sell it, and we must be ready with all the risks including losing or having to hold for a long time (long term)

Just hold on brother. come back to it in Q4 or diversify it around some alternatives while everything is low.

For the people like you, cryptocurrencies are scams If you don't know how crypto works then why invested in it. Invest in any project after researching about it and never invest in crypto which you can't afford to lose.

So this is your reason for saying bitcoin and ethereum scam hahaha.
I suggest if you do not understand about investment do not you carelessly invest your money, learn first what is the investment and how.
If you already understand and understand then you invest.

Yeah cryptocurrency is not for you, go away from this forum. If bitcoin and ethereum is scam maybe I will not be in here, and everyone in this forum will go. As well as bitcoin will not worth, no more investor will buy bitcoin and ethereum anymore. But you can see in the coinmarketcap the market is move, not stay in a price same it means still there investor who buy and who sell bitcoin and ethereum.

If you think that it is scam in both, there is no point in finding this forum. These two constitute 90% of the entire market.

Short-term investments sometimes provide immediate benefits but sometimes we are not lucky. I think you should turn your investment strategy into a long-term investment.

My sincerest sorry. All altcoins are down to the lowest level in the first quarter of 2018. But rest assured, I believe altcoin prices will rise again by the end of 2018. Do not rush to sell. BTC and ETH of you at the moment. Be patient with them, do not be afraid.

It is volatility,nothing more. I would never bougnt BTC for 14 000-20000 and ether higher than 1000. Actually I was about to sell everything when BTC firstly reached 8000-11000 and thanks to god I didn't use margin trade, because I was about to short these price levels. Buy ETH right now, it is a good deal

wish you listened to warren buffet?but what have you done?invested still because of GREEDINESS?since bitcoin and ethereum is volatile you EXPECT GOOD INCOME BUYING ON PEAK?but suddenly price didnt continue to grow instead it falls thats why YOURE CRYING LIKE A PIG lol..sell youre coins and get out of here.you dont even belong

You need patience and maybe try not invest in an asset who rose more 2000% in a year...If you will believe in the long-term prospects of cryptocurrencies you will be rewarded soon or later

You just invested at the wrong time. This will definitely be a good lesson for you and in your future investments. Just make sure that you know what you're investing in next time. Try to study our market so that you can understand what is really happening.

Oh, you do not feel that time has deceived you. The market only shows prices on every offer made by all BTC users.
And if you're going to sell today it's a fatal mistake. Just wait for the right price to sell them all, the market situation will soon change while today many people are buying bitcoin on a large scale. This purchase will recover the bitcoin price

You went in at the wrong time.. when people are ecstatic. So guess when the best time is? now, when people are on the other end of the rope. Invest in solid ICOs like Multiversum.
Multiversum improves on a number of techs that are deficient in current coins, and puts them in one interoperable chain.
Among other features, the coin provides additional security features such as data access via biometric features e.g. fingerprint and eye retina scan.
It also ensures that your data is safe via data sharding through the use of backup nodes in different continents in case of a disaster that takes out most of the chain.
The most important feature to me is interoperability with other chains. Because we can all see that in the future no coin will exist in isolation, so interoperability will be key to survival.

No economic system could create such hope. No one lives to live just to get a house. But the lambo was your dream in the crypto market.

Do not worry, sooner or later the market will still be enthusiastic and Bitcoin and the Etherium will again grow in value.

is still too early to say eth and btc is a fraud, this phrase comes from a beginner in the panic, I still think positive for both investment for long term, please sell your btc now but you will regret later

These are two top coins, how can you say anything negative about them? The market dictates its rules, everyone loses their investments, but this does not mean that the coins are scam.

hahaha . it is a good joke bro. bitcoin and ethereum is not big scam. in my opinion they are big financial tecnology. they will can change our life in 5 years.

yes it's a joke that caught the attention of the crypto community
bitcoin and etherum are great coins and become
strong condiments for all altcoin

 This is actually very in pity for the beginner plunge in the world of crypto like you,That should be you should study the risks that occur when investing in this crypto world,Because the name for big ya resikony also great

Did someone force you to invest in these assets? Have you accurately assessed all possible risks before investing in this market?

many coins are scam you are right but ethereum and bitcoin are not scam. There is a working product. error-free and decentralized. it is awesome. it is a good tecnology.

I agree with you! I do not understand why people throw such arguments, you can say anything about any coins, but not about the fundamental coins of ETH NEO Bitcoin and others.

You probably thought that buying these coins you will very soon make a profit) but here you need patience, until you sold your coins - you did not lose, remember it!

If they scam, then sell them. It's simple. :)

I feel for you, but this happens to a lot of new people, and Warren Buffet doesn't know much about crypto anyway.

In recent days there has been so much bad news for the cryptocurrency market, the price of bitcoin and ethereum has fallen sharply, causing many to lose confidence in the crypto market. bitcoin and ethereum are the best cryptocurrency on the market, promising in the future will bring more profit to investors, so when investing in bitcoin or ethereum you should invest long term and patience. This is a difficult period of the market, the market is just fluctuating, in a while it will recover and prices will increase. The thing you need to do now is patiently hold on to not sell off bitcoin and ethereum.

Other crypto enthusiasts have made some good money off crypto and they will say something different from what you think of crypto

and afaik your timing is very important when it comes to investing in crypto and let this setback not discourage you its all part of becoming a successful crypto investor.

You should not say this sentence will make many investors misunderstand and make the market crypto chaos. Prices continue to fall as the volume of sales. In the coming time, BTC will increase again. They will rise sharply by the end of 2018. If you are a long time Crypto participant you will see altcoin prices fluctuate continuously. Rise and fall down regularly, nothing to worry for today's prices.

Yeah... You should've never listen to anyone regarding investing  ;D. This is not a place for a person like you who's just joining crypto because it's fad. Be sure you have enough knowledge about "TRADING" and "MARKET CYCLES" before buying your coins and posting your nonsense dilemma here.

what do you mean scam
if only down price is not scam, if you say scam, why you still use bitcoin and ETH, not leave from ETH and BTC

They just say that, because when they invest they will fall slowly and others will be disenchanted. so they say that scams are Bitcoin and eth. but it's very big that is because now it is known that Bitcoin and ETH ..

LOL. That's how someone's reaction when it comes to disappointment and anger.
If you are saying that those 2 coins are scamming just because of your loss.
Then what happens to people who have been buying/holding their coins from the beginning?
The advantages they got seems good to me, there's nothing to complain about your loss.
I mean, I am sorry for your loss. But man, this is 50% your fault for buying the coins at the high price.
Starting this topic may cause something big. Be careful with what you write or say.

What?are your retarded?bitcoin and eth is around in a certain years and the price of this coin is fluctuating due to supply and demand and if you buy this coin at all time high then  its your fault not the bitcoin itself or eth. Don't blame your action to this coin.It your fault not the bitcoin or eth. One more thing you can buy now for large dip on its price lol.

This is simply hilarious.

If you wanted to vent your frustration. Spew it out. Don't bottle up.

 ;D

Patience my friend you need only patience. I can not tell you that buying these currencies for such money is a good decision but you can still make money. Crypto currency is not fraud.

These 2 tokens are scam while the whole market is scam. If you believe in the crypto market, you must first believe BTC, then ETH.

I say a fantastic price of bitcoin will fool us if it is not based on experience about previous investments. If it already, then it takes a long time to at least make the capital back.

Lack of risk management is painful for sure.

Maybe let it be scam? And we who are interested or simply traded will make money. Not bad that it exist such investors. And we all are not a doctors-psychologists. Let's cry!  8)

Crypto is not a scam, you just invested at the wrong time. You invested during the peak price and the price is now at it's deepest. You should just wait for the market to recover. And stop saying that crypto is a scam just because you lost some money. As an investor, you should've known that there is a risk.

false alert! it seems that OP failed to understand how crypto works. He is blaming BTC and ETH as a scam, but he is the one who bought it at high price. I think you are having lack of knowledge, but no worries, you will never loss til you sell it. ;)

So why are you still here? Just sell and go away. I can tell you that the things can go even worse. Maybe 5k or even 3k USD for BTC is possible. But I will laugh you when the price starts to rise. Maybe 50k USD or maybe 100k USD for only 1 BTC in 1 or 2 years.

It's ridiculous for me to read such topics. It's the same if you cut your finger off with a knife and say that the knife is shit. If you can not use a great tool to get money, then you better find something less risky. For example, go to the office and work there.

so only because you temporarily lost the value in your portfolio it means it's scam? Well I really wish the people like you simply sold off and left this community for good.

you are right, bitcoin like a knife, if we are not good at using it then our hand will be cut off, bitcoin trading is high risk, if not ready then just sit while watching and drinking coffee

No,Bitcoin and eth no scam.Now down only

Too many people did hope and believe about McAfee saying. That's why they did accept to pay so much for BTC.
And with people creating topics about ETH to $10000, they accepted this idea.
Don't believe too much on thoses. They are just trying to hype their coins.
It is a little like people asking for 1 ETH and say that they are going to send you 20 ETH... All is scam/manipulation.

all investments is risky, and no exceptions on it!!
so, you need to learn more about money management first before investing in any digital currency to minimize the risk
Bitcoin and eth is not scam for me, you just use wrong strategy and didn't use a good money management my friend

A lot of individuals felt that way and losses much than of you especially those people that are buying nearly at $19k, surely they are crying right now. But not the way we say both eth and btc are scam, it is something we are struggling in dip crisis. I know how you feel but never say that way, we know how bitcoin and ethereum bring this thing into greatness and change many lives.

Persons who follow the positive and negative news for a long time will see that neither bitcoin nor ethereum is a deception. Speculating whales and other groups that cause such fluctuations in their value. If you do not like to take risks, do not invest. If you are going to invest in crypto money from low level and steadfastly holding it in your hand for a long time to raise a serious rise and you can get good income.

Haha, Bitcoin and Ethereum are not scam coins.. We are just in a high volatile and you should hold your stuff for a longer time. We will see higher prices than $20k sooner or later. So dont let the bear eat you and buy more while we are dipping!

Many traders suffers this losing all when prices suddenly went down. You have choices whether to hold your bitcoin and ethereum until it can recover. It takes time since price has really down from the price you bought. So if you can wait and patience is your tools this time.

Unfortunately, you are still holding to your coins, i know you have lost more than 60% of your asset until today, but i can sure altcoins will surely rise back in the future because they both useful in our trading and holding for long term, so don't think too much about btc and ETH are scams, we still need time to find a clear answer.

In fact, to keep a coin on your wallet does not make any sense, the market will continue to fall for a long time. It is better to sell everything now, and then invest at minimal prices.

Many people here in crypto world are earning big, so obviously they are not scam. There are just days that these coins will be on a tight situation. You bought these coins, so you give them your trust. In the long run, you will never regret why you invested in them. Just hold your coins and wait for the market to recover. Don’t panic, because you’ll only lose more.

Maybe you are new and you enter the market in an unlucky time. If you have lost confidence in the Crypto market, you will probably never succeed. Many people are wealthy thanks to it, and you are new, do not learn experience and have risked buying. I see you do not fit into the Crypto market. You give up is a wise decision.

Just because you bought near the high does not mean that crypto is a fraud. Look at any market, financial, stock, crypto. You can always see sharp falls. Here's a example from the world's largest stock market:
https://c.radikal.ru/c27/1804/3c/8f906a2aa2c1t.jpg

Are they scammers?

You’re so bitter dude, why would you blame your mistake to BTC and ETH when the root cause of your problem is yourself. You need to understand that you are investing in the cryptocurrency. There many among us wanted to have profit but to be honest that gain is not that easy. You need to take time to study for the right timing of investing. I think your problem is you already invested in crypto when the truth is you don’t understand the basic principle of investing.

Let me guess, you are expecting some x50 income with instant aren't you? Most people hope that but suddenly get frustrated when their price suddenly drop. Let me give you advice and read around and have a look on the HODL strategy that everyone does, I think it will help you lighten your mind.

If BTC is a scam, there will not be many people involved in it today. The BTC has created income for many people, helping many people become rich in this market. So try to grab the opportunity to invest in them.

If a coin didn't give any kind of profit to a user then they will label it as scam. This is the mentality of the people unfortunately.

If you say BTC is a big scam why do some big countries accept BTC? They may accept phishing in their own country. I do not believe this is true, I believe BTC is the most sustainable coin development.

Don't blame Bitcoin and ETH for your misfortune, instead look for a way that you can make your ETH be useful by investing to other tokens that you can add to your wallet then hold them for atleast 5-8 months more  in order for you to gain more compared to what you lose.

I do not believe that the Bitcoin scam is simply impossible. I think that the crypto-currency as a whole is waiting for a great future.

Buy High Sell Low :D

BTC price is falling every year lol
I (and other people here) immediately see that You are newbie in cryptocurrency, you want to know why? Just look at this : https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/bitcoin-horrific-crashes-865c.png (https://cdn.howmuch.net/articles/bitcoin-horrific-crashes-865c.png)

this is why cryptocurrency labeled as a scam or fraudulent asset.
the problem was lied within human himself,most of them did not do something called 'Do your own research' and got into it because of hype.
no matter where you go,if you're buying something when it's on hype and did not do some research before investing your money into it.
eventually you will lose it all.
it's human error instead of scam or fraud

Exactly! People who bought bitcoin  (for example OP of this topic) without previously research - they can't know about the basic thing that bitcoin is a long-term investment, results of this is panic sell during the first dip

Why can you think bitcoin and ethereum is a scam?
I think you are too early to decide that the two coins are a scam. If the two coins is scam, what about the people in 2010 or even 2009? they have dozens or even thousands of bitcoins and now they have a luxurious life and can buy cars and luxury homes?
not only that, even microsoft classmates and many more angel investors come in and invest into bitcoin and ethereum (including state officials). what is it worth to be called a scam?
You are too hasty and panic, when there is a price drop. The safest way to play in the world of crypto is to hold your coin until the price reaches and tounch the BEP or even profit. Remember the historical incident of bitcoin and other crypto price grooves, they need time to get back to the original price even higher.
Patient and keep save or hold your coin in your wallet. Feel the price man….

I think you are confused and knowledge is limited in the market. Or you assume that any time to invest in ETH and bitcoin is profitable or short term. The market will not increase forever. Volatility is the essence of the market. The main reason is the limited knowledge and subjective views. There is no reason to call ETH or BTC as scam. You are demonstrating the shallowness of knowledge and experience in the business of crypto.

Make it a long-term investment, because it's better and you'll get a better profit. Better hold the coins you have, and do not panic, because by holding can save you from loss.

Many people call crypto currency a bubble. But I do not agree with this. I think that the crypto currency is a new era of the economy. Bitcoin and Ether become the basis for a new world economy.

regarding Bitcoin all conversations can be truthful. But as for the etherium, there is no fraud here. Crypto currency is very much involved in many spheres of human life and the etherium as a part of this world will have great prospects.

$26 trillion
Japan Asset Bubble

$8 trillion
US Great Recession

$7 trillion
Dotcom Bubble

$400 billion
Cryptocurrency

You can be agree or not agree. But I see version that all cryptocurrencies were invented as one of ways to defeat against world crisis. Some liquidity should to go to crypto markets. To tell about results is too early

Damn! This is what you get for being a "bandwagon" Investing without researching first. Investing because you don't want to get left behind or fear of missing out. This is a lesson newcomers needs to understand. When you invest money it doesn't mean it will always go up.

BTC has made a lot of profit for many, and has helped many people become rich by holding onto them for a long time. So now let's buy and hold them maybe we will become millionaires in the next few years.

Bitcoin and ether, it's not a Scam. Even the governments of various countries have recognized its value.

Now I think you can rely on bitcoin, it will not stop, now it has grown significantly after a large decline, and this at least should continue. And one cannot lose such a great opportunity.

I understand your feeling when you bought them at high price and now you were lost almost 1/2 your capital. But I think this is your mistake, you bought Bitcoin and Ethereum without enough knowledge in this market, even now you think that Bitcoin and Ethereum big scam while all has recognized advantages of bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, this proved that you were not research cryptocurrency and just chasing after the crowd.
I advise you should continue holding Bitcoin and ETH, they will soon go up again in next a few months.

Actually this is an option. Nothing is right and nothing is wrong. When we believe in cryptocurrency we see that cryptocurrency becomes a great financial system. It all depends on us all, until now it has been proven that cryptocurrencies are needed by many people. Prices will continue to increase and when cryptocurrency begins to be abandoned and then the price will start to hit. It is a demand factor and every one in the world is a choice. Big scam is a funny thing and I think the groundwork used is very strange.

Most stupid person who are only to crypto to earn then leave usually ended broke before they even gain a penny, it is not just putting your money into things they you will just earn sitting on your bench and doing nothing, you also have to learn and read about more about cryptos.

You buy at high prices. that is a pity for you. You can not confirm ETH and BITCOIN fraud. Why are people buying low and selling at high prices? There will be people who are profitable and who are losing money. The market is so. You should re-examine the crypto before judging something

Right, you can listen to him because he is giving a lot of guidance not to use the blockchain and Bitcoin. Previously JP Morgan did the same thing now he is recruiting the people for blockchain developments. Of course, you bought them at high but why don't you buy the Bitcoin when it at 1000$ because you begin to trust the Bitcoin when it reaches to 14000$. With the same belief, why can't you wait for another 4 to 5 month in order to make profits on your investment?

Yes indeed! With this perspective we still have quite some way to go!

You should not regret why you invested in these two coin as the are the most accepted coin, they are strong, stable, reliable and have great potentials to yield good profit. Though there might be a fall in price now, be patient as this in only temporary. They will recover and rise above your imagination and your initial investment multiplies. Before you invest in crypto, it is good to keep your emotions aside as there are some risk involved. No business grows without taking risk first.

Yeah, and if you were invested in everything else there was 1000% guaranteed profit, silly you !

You know that holding those coins for near months will allow you to earn a lot more than you have invested? I wish this post is only a joke.

yeah also see this post a joke, because the rise and fall in bitcoin prices I think a reasonable thing. here we can see price movements eth and bitcoin can rise high so there is no scam between eth or btc.

I do not think Bitcoin is a scam. Bitcoin has been dominated by sharks and it is a tool to suck money from small traders like you.
Bitcoin is controlled by the amount of money that it is provided by the investor. If many investors sell off the bulk of Bitcoin, its price will fall sharply. So we speculate based on the judgment of each person and should not hold any altcoin. Listen to Warren's words and you'll avoid a lot of risk.

The first rule of the scam is never to say that the scum is coming! But you really are not lucky. At that time, the entire market of crypto was falling in price.

How you say that these are a big scam as a billionth of dollars has been invested in and Millionth of people already transacting with bitcoin and other altcoins daily. I can say that few scams are coming as ICO but not this two legendary coin.

Critics on bitcoin cant really be avoided which there are really people who do said negative things towards it which it isnt really an ideal thing to listed up into the words do he speak. Sometimes it might be good as a fundamental if you are a wise trader which those words can give significant effect into the market which you can make advantage and to make profit.

If you'll not sell now and will have a patience for a year or two, you'll obviously take your words back.  ;)

Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft, found similar definitions for Bitcoin. I see these kinds of explanations as misfortune. Those who do not have enough information related to this market, or those who see the uprising there as a threat or danger to their incomes, are making such statements.

Do panic still early, need to wait a bit. Perhaps you will not lose anything in money, but may be able to earn good money.

Bitcoin was conceived as an alternative to conventional money, and now it is widely used. And fraud exists in all spheres of human activity, and the world of crypto currency is no exception.

It would be wrong if we came to the conclusion that all projects are the same because a project has emerged as a deception. Bitcoin Crypto has revolutionized the world with money. Blockchain and the decentralized structure that has not been centralized will continue to be and become the pioneer of many technologies and prod- ucts.

What?are your retarded?bitcoin and eth is around in a certain years and the price of this coin is fluctuating due to supply and demand and if you buy this coin at all time high then  its your fault not the bitcoin itself or eth. Don't blame your action to this coin.It your fault not the bitcoin or eth. One more thing you can buy now for large dip on its price lol.

We will see at the end of this year or next year if they were the biggest scam. But maybe we still won't discover that they were scams or we won't say that they were scams. It is certain that they are now mainly used for speculation. People are too greedy, that's why we have seen thoses kind of value at the end of last year. People are in crypto just because of greed. What is not scam in life?

ofcourse. it is scam because some one lost money investing it. then crude price is also falling than petroleum industry is also a scam.
i think you should learn when and how to buy before posting newbie comments here.

Dude there are coins that are scams like bitconnect and other typical coins that are obviously going to scam their investors.

But bitcoin and ethereum has never been a scam.

You just bought it during the days where these two coins or the whole crypto market is in good peak and momentum.

We didn't expect that the price will go down eventually as we all believed that it will be continuous though corrections will come.

You'll recover soon, don't give up.

You have undoubtedly chosen the most unfortunate moment to enter the crypto industry. Such as you very many. But it is worth thinking that bitcoin and Ethereum will still rise in price. By the end of 2018, many expect a price of$ 25,000 for bitcoin and$ 2,500 for ether.

Well, you just have made a great mistake and now you're blaming on the most stable crypto
It's only your mistake, not Ethereum or Bitcoin
Maybe I'm talking in this way because i'm not your situation, but...you had a chance to jump out on 800$ and reenter on 350$-400$
And now you'd x2 your investment

Sorry for your loss mate but as long you have the bitcoin and eth you bought until now, you can still get back your money.
What you need to do is to wait until the price goes up again, this isn't so hard so you just hold it until the price goes back in the best prices that you can sell. You're not the only one that bought during the peak, I have friends that are blaming me too but I gave them wise words.

I would just keep the coins. I am sure that bitcoin and eth will reach again their ath and far beyond.
So just wait. Even if it is not always easy.

and a different story will come from you if you bought bitcoin and ethereum in lower price
remember : do not invest your money if you can afford to lose it

I think you should not enter in CryptoWorld before you are not already do some researched about the field you are into! In Crypto there is a saying Invest only that you can afford to loose, crypto is always associated with risk thats always a forefront Warning it doesnt mean that you loose something you can accused easily as scammed its all your fault either and no one force you in the beggining to buy Bitcoin and Eth in that price? im sorry to tell this but its true nature in Crypto. like stocks to there is a gainers and there is loosers ?so why accuse it a scam !?

What a coincidence that you better listened to Warren Buffett.

Do you have any insider that you can share on what you should do before investing to bitcoin and eth? Are you just someone that randomly heard that you'll earn through bitcoin and eth, after that you never studied on how this works?

Only people who have done above scenario will say bitcoin is scam  because they are all loss with their lack of knowledge.
I also have no much experience and good knowledge in trading but i already understand cryptocurrency trading is high risk because of volatility so if i have loss then i understand that is the risk.

well, it seems they are not so smart to take advantage of the situation. well, for those who think like that, they just want to profit instantly. this reminds me of the year 2013 ago. when bitcoin prices fall, from $ 1000 to $ 300, many people say scam, but now they are sorry, because they sell their bitcoins quickly.

I sure this is the first time you invest in crypto and you are really don't know anything about it before buy coins. Bitcoin and ETH are not scam, it just need a longer time to increase it's value until you can get back your money, don't sell them and keep hold until the price higher than price when you buy. Be patience because bitcoin and ETH Will give you profit.

Aww so sad and sorry for that experience. My rule in this crypto, never invest without the full understanding about the volatile movement of market trends. Research and observe the market conditions if it's a bearish or bullish as this may affect the price movements and you can wait more days for the best price to buy. Be patient to wait the right timing.

Learn from your mistake,
do not buy any stocks or cryptocurrency when the price in overbought zone,,
i think, you didn't enough knowledge about investing,
i suggest you to learn first before buy any investments opportunities

And you're the most idiot person ever if you're going to sell your BTC and ETH at the moment :). You should know that the whole market dump and pump everyday and the news has great effect on cryptocurrency price and there are a lot of bad news at the early of this year that is the reason why price of BTC and ETH dumped really quickly at that time. But for now, both ETH and BTC are retrieving. Although Warren Buffet is a professional in this world but how if his predictions wrong? I think you wouldn't create this topic anymore :)

Well other side of BTC investing is that i should of listen to that random guy on some internet forum back in 2012 when speaking of opurtunity of a liftime.

All i havr to say is shithappens, get the most out of mistakes and move on. If you respect the first rule of investing and invest as much as you can loose, youl be fine. As long as you hold you havent lost anything

If bitcoin and ethereum scam why do you buy it?
You have to be a little patient for both of these coins.
And if you want to sell it, sell when the price goes up.
The key is patience if you want to invest.

Bitcoin and ether are the 2 most popular cryptocurrencies in the world, but it's not the scam. You just made an unwise investment, but if you have the patience, you can earn. Successes)

Can you invest in adults, and you didn't anticipate the risk when you bought an encrypted currency?

it seems you still do not understand neighbor cryptocurrency, and apparently also you still do not know how to invest. You should read a lot of this diforum, how to invest well and correctly

if I think bitcoin is not a fraud you think, if you do not want to lose your money, for us you have to be patient and wait for the next few days at a higher price, so you will feel more profitable with the high price.

Maybe you could have done your research first before investing on something right away. You can still lessen your losses if you buy another set of your bitcoin and ethereum at its current price now because it is low. Then it would divide your investment so eventually you will have lesser loss.

I am pretty sure OP was hyped and didn't do his own research in investing in bitcoin and ethereum and because he ends up at a loss, he is calling it scam. I believe a lot of people was hyped last December and many even borrow money just to buy bitcoin and ends up having huge debt because they can't pay back their debts yet or they may already paid at whatever amount they can sell their coins. Calling something scam just because you didn't take necessary precaution and didn't know the risk involved when you decided to buy the coin is just being careless.


OP is impatient too and think maybe that investing in cryptocurrency is just a get rich quick scheme. At this rate, OP may have been in rage already as the price is not yet profitable for him but if he just have a rational mind and trade then maybe he was already able to get back what he lost.

Just because the price of BTC and ETH dumped after you buying it so they're scam crypto? I think if everyone also think the same like you, the whole market will full of scam cryptocurrency and there are no truthworthy crypto :)). It's just because you invested in BTC and ETH wrong time so it's your own mistake, while you're complaining about BTC and ETH in here, there are still a lot of people earning money from BTC and ETH right now :).

First thing first ... "Never invest which you aren't willing to loose" that's the motto for crypto secondly if you had loses that doesn't mean that it's scam! we may call it a bad entry point in the market. You haven't lost any until you sell it so i suggest you hodl til Q3 this year and you might see green in your portfolio.

Isn’t it very double standard of him to badmouth bitcoin while his company has been accepting payment in the form of bitcoin since 2014? All these giant tech companies are involved in BTC business. It is always said that bitcoin has huge support from big whales. Now you tell me how many rich people are there in this world who would have knowledge of bitcoin? Definitely people like bill gates and Steve are the whales.

It is highly doubtful that the third quarter of this year will give us the previous price for each coin. Yesterday I watched a seemingly small correction, but now I see the indicators when the market only became bullish. Oh very strong fall, the main thing is unclear from what factors so everything fell down, you probably need to wait for the end of the year for a final withdrawal at prices.

If you want to listen to warren buffet, then better engage yourself in stock market industry, warrent specializes in those field on investment vehicle. He himself admits, that he has low knowledge when it comes to cryptocurrency. We are evolving into a blockchain technology, where businesses later on will adapt this thing.

In regards to your situation.,better HOLD it and thank us later. Years will come that you gonna say, wish i had investment cryptocurrency before, never mind about the fall of prices, it is normal eversince, since it is based on the market supply and demand. Having said that, its better to invest now and invest later. Knowledge we earned this time, is different from the knowledge we will earned in later time.

Have a great day

There are millions of people who are making great profits with cryptocurrencies every second, and you are calling these currencies scam, because you bought them at a wrong time. That's all.

Its because the price is down, you could say that bitcoin and ethereum is a scam object., even when you invest in forex and stock market trading, you could see that there are ups and downs of market price, which is normal. Try to HOLD your coins for so many months and years, maybe it will be up above your buying price, dont lose hope and please conclude anything. Everything has its own risk., its just a matter of risk management profile.

Besides, you invested a good coin bitcoin and ethereum, sooner or later, you gonna say thank you to yourself that you invested.

Well welcome to the cryptocurrency bitcoin and ethereum are not scam you should research about the cryptocurrency before you to invest, you should know that cryptocurrencies are volatile the price will down and up anytime.

maybe this is the wrong question I think, you have rightly said that every second many people make big profits in Bitcoin or Ethereum, so suppose your Bitcoin and Ethereum say the fraud is wrong, the price every second cryptocurrency can change up and down, let's say you buy Bitcoin or Ethereum when the price goes up and after you buy the price down, it's your own fault, and you will never be fooled or will lose for example you keep and hold your bitcoin and Ethereum until the price will rise again.

Dont listen to warren buffet..he is one of big bankers he is affraid if whole world migrating from stock market to crypto market. If you buy your bitcoin at $14000 and ethereum at $1200 and the money will not be used for very long time ( 4 years ) then you need to hodl it. Forget about it and see the price again at 2021 you will be amaze with your portofolio by that time.

I only see the wrong one on here is your opinion. No one asking a question on here, even the post which you have qouted. If we buy a token then after that, it went down it's not our fault nor other people. It's how market works, there will be always up and down, supply and demand on market.

You buy when the price is high, and you better hold it in the long run to recover your losses, at least waiting for the end of the year. You must have the patience to take advantage of it.

Scam are those cryptos that didn't pay atleast once but bitcoin and ethreum's big community can prove you wrong. Do not expect eth and btc can give you profit in just a single glimpse instead you have to wait for the right time it can give you profit for sure.

For us you have to be patient and wait for the next few days at a higher price, so you will feel more profitable with the high price. And I think bitcoin is not a scam you think, if you do not want to lose your money

You are right, you should have listed to Warren buffet. since you fail to learn the basic leasrn in investing, never chase profit, most people bought at the top and when you have people that bought their BTC at $1k, what do you think they would be doing, they would sell their portfolio waiting for it to come down and get in again.

Bitcoin and ether, it's not a Scam. Even the governments of various countries have recognized its value.

Now you have experience and know what investing is. Now you can work as a trader.

Today he fell, rose, then fell again and so on. This is all cryptocurrencies. But their future. Maybe Warren buffet is right, maybe not. Time will tell.

And his experience wasn't so good that he was totally disappointed with the result and I don't think he will stay on that condition.

He's completely lost and blaming the market for his suffering that he is even calling crypto mainly bitcoin and eth a big scam.

But if he will learn from that fluctuation he can be a good trader after all.

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Yes ! With this perspective we still have quite some way to go!

It took a long time to at least make capital back. And I say fantastic bitcoin prices will cheat us if not based on experience about previous investments. In addition we all have to be patient

LOL! It's not Bitcoin and Ethereum's fault, it's yours. You bought them when the price is high and this is a common mistake for cryptocurrency investment. We cannot blame you for being too depressed about your loss but you should've researched first before jumping in. I hope you are not yet selling the coins you bought because you haven't lost yet unless you sold them. Just wait until the price soar up again. Many are optimistic about their future and there's no doubt that Bitcoin and Ethereum will break their recent all time high.

Yeah that's true, this is not a scam but a risky investment as you may lose your money or get a big profits. You need to develop your skills and knowledge in this technology before investing and have a huge patient to wait for the best price.

Why, I would not say so, these two powerful coins as it is now well show themselves in business, also work well in the cryptocurrency market, and show good growth in price.

Well, it isgood explanation. 2 months is not enough to judge any coin become scam or not. Bitcoin and etherium are the best so they are not scam at all. About scam, how do you know this word can be applied in bitcoin and etherim just because the fall of price? Before investing poease think this investment is high volatile so you should understand that before joining so word scam will not get out from your mind.

How come it be a scam for millions of people are gaining profit over it? those people that say bitcoin or ether is a scam maybe they are entering a world of crypto without understanding of what is it. Risk is always on its way because that is a part of having no central control and yes there are scam but not on eth and bitcoin itself for people just using them to scam others.

There are already a lot of people become rich because of crypto currencies especially because of bitcoin and eth. This topic is already has answered long time ago bitcoin and eth is not scammed there are already a lot of great positive testimonies about they become rich because of it.

You don't understand about of bitcoin and ethereum. both are the high technology which is called THE BLOCKCHAIN
and the cryptocurrency is not a pyramid scheme or MLM.

It is not a scam the price only drops down because of the demand,
You invested your money in it without acknowledging what might happen?
You bought it when it was rising because you want to earn money and you think that crypto is a way to gain a fast profit?

Rookie mistake. You should have waited until a big drop, and when the market stabilises, then buy yourself in. Dont say that this is a scam, you bought at the end of an incredible bullrun. You can only blame yourself.
 

You would say it's scam because the value you are holding was decreasing and you are now so disappointed with that.Just be patient mate and don't think n3gative to avoid stress.

If all speculators will left and only "believers" will stay BTC will be like 500 USD lol.

I think that you are mistaken. A single negative experience in investing in the crypto currency, not an indication that the crypto currency is a big fraud.

True, investors that are buying coins when they have pumps and they are just saying that their lost are not professionals, for me it is still possible to just take profits even if someone invested when price was around 10-15k$.

if we consider that Bitcoin is a big and soap bubble, then in 2017 it was inflated in time to draw people's attention to the crypto currency. Well, those who invested in Bitcoin in late 2017, today almost left without two-thirds of their money.

of course, nothing should be blamed, because it's all our own mistakes we make, without the basic knowledge on Crypto you should not invest your money when the price again peaked, just some people who do not know right with bitcoin or altcoin others say that Crypto is Scam, maybe some Crypto is there, just if for example Bitcoin and Ethereum for me is not Scam, both are very helpful to many people who can use it.

Be patient , do not panic, it really took very little time and it is not reasonable to judge fraud, now the price of bitcoin is falling, but it is not for long.

Of course, if a person made such investments and immediately he was unlucky, then another reaction could not be expected. Of course, such people will be very strongly directed against the negative in general against the crypto currency.

Just wait for some time and let the whole market to recover. Bitcoin and Ethereum are not scam.

I think bitcoin have a great deal bolster cost in 7000$..may be it go under when whale have huge offer like mt gox offer in one time, however I figure its not going to happen, its dependably skip once more.. great time to purchase

Bitcoin and ethereum are not scam, you just made a wrong leap at a wrong time. Crypto investment needs good timing. Impulsive buying with little knowledge is dangerous.

Investing in BTC and ETH is not easy, choosing the right time to invest in a difficult task, not everyone can do. So before you intend to invest in the market you should learn more knowledge as well as have psychological stability because cryptos rates continue to fall, you will easily panic sell if you are losing confidence in ETH and BTC.

You should have asked for expert's advice before investing. Bitcoin and ETH are not scams; you just have to know when to enter these markets. Anyway if you are still around don't lose hope. You can learn how to trade and deal with smaller alts and then get back to BTC and
ETH.

Haha, Bitcoin and Ethereum are not scam coins.. We are just in a high volatile and you should hold your stuff for a longer time. We will see higher prices than $20k sooner or later. So dont let the bear eat you and buy more while we are dipping!

This was originally posted a month ago but may still be relevant for some investors.

If so, ask yourself why you invested in the first place. You should have done your own research before investing in something as volatile as crypto. If you had done the necessary research then you would know that this could happen, because like most new ideas and technology, there will be resistance to this. However, if you look past the FUD, you will realize that crypto is the future and is a good long term hold.

You should have done your research before investing.  Bitcoin and ETH is not a scam, in fact part of their characteristics is being volatile. You should wait, investing in BTC and ETH must be in long term. 

Scam are investments that run away after taking your money but bitcoin is still here. You are one of those narrow-minded people who get on the hype without studying it and if you did not get what you wanted in an instant then you will change sides quickly.

If Bitcoin and Ethereum are scam - what is not a scam? Too bad you've chosen a not good entering point smh, the market will go up again and you'll delete this topic) Now reinvest in perspective alts to gain more profit and chill no need to fud and panic :)

after these drops on market, i started to think like that.

miners are saying our product fee is 7000 dollar. but now btc is 6800 dollar.
samely in eth fee is 500 dollar, now it is 530 dollar. how do they earn money from this thing?

Ahah! Great joke! Especially the first of April. But many people will take it literally. There are many such Warren in the cupboards unfortunately. They instill self-doubt.

Bitcoin and ethereum are not scam, infact, they are the best crypto with the best potentials especially if you buy and hold them on long term. You should know that crypto is volatile and this also applies to this two coin. Assuming you bought when the price was a bit lower and you hold on long term, you will make profit even if the market falls because the price will rise again before you decide to sell. Before investing in any crypto, try to make a proper research about it.

As far as I do not think BTC is a scam. They are the most potent coin today, in fact they have made many rich people and they became millionaires very early in a very short time. So do not think that BTC is a scam.

Hello, I won't say you invested at wrong time because you thought the coins will keep rising. But nevertheless if you can stay little longer till end of the year, your story of calling Bitcoin and Ethereum fake will change.
Long term investment is the best. So my advice is for you to stay longer.

to be clear Bitcoin and or Ethereum in that matter is not a scam, The scammers that formulates scams are. You just happened to invest in the wrong time. you have invested in a high value and did not set stop lost. By now you should be negative and could not break even. what you can do is to reinvest tap up some more and take profit during all time highs. taking what you have invested by now would not help.

You maybe desperate, your statement is unfounded. It's a risk you have to face in this game. The fall of the market price you find will not last forever, the price will return to normal, you just need waiting

Perks of crypto investment. It is perfectly understandable to be frustrated if you're not getting returns for your investment. But relax. It's going to bear fruit eventually.

Lol :D if its scam, what you want here? ))

Based on the above factors, most private investors in the stock market can also say. AAPL, NVDA, MSFT, MCD, PEP - fraud?
People tend to explain their failures by the characteristics of the world, but not to see their mistakes.

It is to be said do not invest if you can't afford the lose in crypto. Everything in crypto is risks but even btc and ethereum price has downfall we cannot say a big scam. I still believe price will usually going to increase sooner.

If BTC and ETH are scam so who do you think you are? I think you're just a stupid investors cause you don't have your own opinion, you just invest in BTC and ETH just because someone told you to do that, right? LOL. I think that if they told you to eat shit, you'll also do it :))

that's what you say maybe this is one of the ignorant people who know about the world of crypto, he should first understand the new comments do not just accuse bad about bitcoin.

HaHa, Lol! if you still consider these coins as a scam. It means you are lacking the basic knowledge which a crypto investor much carry before investing in it as these are the long-term investment and for a great outcome, you have to hold them patiently. However, there's always a risk in the crypto world but if invested in the right time and at right places such as in BTC or ETH then there are negligible chances of any loss...

I think that you are mistaken. A single negative experience in investing in the crypto currency, not an indication that the crypto currency is a big fraud.

What?  ;D Interesting idea, I've never heard about this. But you all can be 100 % sure, that Bitcoin and Ethereum are not scams, real money come from these.

I do not believe that bitcoin and eth scam, because we believe that bitcoin and eth coins can be expected in the future, so I think bitcoin and eth are not a scam.

FOMO is one of the main enemies for cryptotrader/investor. If you made mistake with the purchase it's not mean that all around are scammers. Before any finance steps every must to learn/research much if he don't want to loss

Yes If Bitcoin and ethereum are scam than the biggest scam in the world is US Dollars.
Until US Dollards equal to zero you cannot see that bitcoin under 100 USD.
this shows us the degree of scam coins.

Too bad you bought it in a high price but even crypto is so down right now it doesn't mean it is a scam . You just need to hold and wait till you get profit or if you feel can't wait then cash out and forget what happened.

You should search more info before do statement like this

In 2014, with mt.gox there was a big crash. Plus the market was really terrifying on these days.
You can find a lot of sad stories about these days on reddit, even on this forum.
These are not scams, but if you are seek an easy profit after a x14 in less then one year....

All monetary politics is a big scam. But we use it. And fiat is a foundation stone for all world economics. That's why BTC and ETH can take place in the human and countries relations. But 95% of other coins are actually scam  ;D

You can not blame bitcoin and ethereum because you have bought them in a wrong term. In my opinion, this two are the best coins of the crypto which have amazing popularity.

Maybe your strategy is wrong in allocating your funds to Cryptocurrency.
My friend has always been successful in investing Bitcoin and Ethereum.
Although Ethereum and Bitcoin have decreased and price increases but my friend always waits until the price returns to normal.

Totally agree with your suggestion. Because both Bitcoin and ETH are the top notch spots for investment in the current market because we have a very low risk factor associated with the investment and beside the risk factor, both crypto are highly liquid. The market moves with Bitcoin and also with ETH because these two crypto have big shares of the market. Other services offered by both are worth counting as well. Having said that, Bitcoin and ETH does not look scam.

Fluctuation in the price of coin in crypto doesn't mean it is a scam moreover, bitcoin and ethereum are the best crypto with lots of popularity and investors trust this two coin so much because of the potentials and good features that they have. I think you should be patient and continue holding because the price of this coin will rise as soon as they market recover this bear period and then you can decide to sell at a higher price to earn profit.

I don't think that it is a scam. Maybe it was a mistake we made ourselves for buying when the price is so expensive. If you join bitcoin since the beginning, bitcoin and eth is the proper coin to invest our money because in the history this coins crypto it reaches miracle at the highest price of about $19.000.
This dip takes place because of our own fault (the coin users) who start selling a lot of coins that cause the market to be down.

Maybe scam for people who dont profit and juat loss every time. Why loss? Maybe they dont know the knowledge and just enter the market like what you said. I am sad with those people who get this condition and finally said that crypto is scam. I think they need to learn again about this world.

Investing in a crypto You must have trust and patience because it can make you avoid the loss of selling in a panic. Crypto will definitely increase again and you have to be patient to hold it so you can benefit.

eth and btc can be scam of no one use it..but for now it still the most legit crypto we use...

nonsense

Bitcoin and Ethereum are legit, do not believe Warren Buffett because he wants you to dump your bitcoin so he can get them for cheap same for ethereum. As you can see, people can send and receive bitcoin so the blockchain technology really works and it is not a scam, you can try it yourself by creating two bitcoin wallets and send your btc between your own account.

I am not able to agree that they are big scams. They are rather big and great technologies which have really take on the world and have provided great services besides the financial freedom. Also many companies across the Europe and America have accepted Bitcoin as the general mode of payment and medium of exchange, so better think before you speak because the technology is of great utility.

Bitcoin and ETH is not a scam. What you say is a scam. If you are one of those people who joined the ride last moon then you wouldnt say its a scam. Dont blame on anything because of your unluckiness and dont say such words to influence others fake news. Its true that it is on grave for now and that is a part of investing.

If those people keep on murmuring today we're one of those who were able to rode while the the price is sky rocketing they would say how grateful they are of scam currency, if bitcoin is a scam it wouldn't last for  several years making investor's rich.

They are not price cuts, you will know with the current price compared to the prices of previous years, it is up!

Bitcoin and ETH are great tools for making money. If you do not know how to use these tools you'd better leave crypto at all. But there is no need to blame cryptos that you can't use properly.

big scam?
hey please in rectify your statement. bitcoin and ethereum are the 2 best coins in crypto currency we will very easily benefit by expanding these 2 coins. both long-term and short-term trade

Friends, I think you are not suitable for investment. You are a stupid person. Your investment will only lose more investment. You may not be suitable for investing in financial products.

You are feeling that because you didn't made your research at all. Also you are thinking a short term investment only. The fact that it will be back again the bullish market in the end of this year which makes me so excited. To the moon!

For Op I would like to suggest him go through the cryptocurrency market and then say those two were scams. Being a scam and staying alive for years is simply impossible, quite often scams gets promoted and the same gets out of usage in a very small time period. In this regard bitcoin and ethereum were no more a scam.

You cannot call someone or something a scam because you timed the market badly and made a bad investment decision.
Yes, you shouldn't have invested. You thought crypto is an easy way to make fast cash. By entering at wrong prices you yourself is regretting now.If you are not aware of this high volatility of cryptocurrencies then why did you invest first? One needs to research before investing.

You are definitely a loser. I tell you the loser's speech no one will listen. Some people earn. Inevitably some people will lose money. This is the game rules. What are you complaining about? The people who complained were cowards. I think you are an irrational person.

The way bitcoin and ETH are gaining the attention of the people and the way people are investing such a huge amount of money into different crypto coins especially these two coins gives us an indication that these coins are not scam but these are the coins which not only holds a bright future but they can also help all of us in making of some very good earning and that we need to trust these coins.

this thread is obviously meant to be a troll thread, so there is no need to be replying this crap because we all know the answer to this crap. came on guys, be more creative at least

Cryptocurrency is not scam and ofocarse bitcoin and ethereum is a legit and many people earn a lot of money because they invest to bitcoin and ethereum last few years ago when the price is very cheap like hundreds dollars. Where is the proof the ethereum and the bitcoin is a scam for sure many people are believe to this two coin is a legit because they can earn so much money.

It's not true bitcoin and eth are legit the only problem is you bought in bad timing but you are not totally lose until you're not selling just keep holding and you will be rewarded

Probably, the guy (I mean the author of the thread) just wanted to argue. Of course, these cryptocurrencies are not the scam. They are the best cryptos for now.

BTC coins are never fraud, they are the biggest coin in the crypto market, if they are rogue coin then probably all other coin will die. So be assured to buy and hold them, do not be afraid of BTC.

Hey look at what the OP says, he says that Bitcoin and Etherum is a scam. He says it because he feels failed and suffered a loss. Buy both coins when the price is high and then sell it when the price decreases. It is a mistake and should be avoided, but believe that any investment will have such a characteristic. That is why all investments in the world today are at risk, Bitcoin and Etherum do have high price fluctuations, they are all influenced by manipulation as well as public confidence in the coin.

I do not think that's possible because there are so many people who use Ethereum and Bitcoin to invest and so you can see the best bitcoin and Ethereum coins that can be profitable and promising because until now many people are investing in them

Don’t call scam just because you are loosing money (you never loose until you sell by the way )  give it time let the market settle and hit a few bullruns  I can tell you I’m loosing right now but I’ve made alot of profit during the last bullrun  do I call it a scam no that will be ignorance by my part . Sometimes you loose and sometimes you win

You should've never invested during the distribution stage from whales to the public. Before you make an investment to any investment vehicle, you should've assessed the situation first, tested the waters, and applied those investment advice you have learned through thorough research. When you bought the coins you have mentioned during their peak, treat it as an investment for long term. Your losses are your responsibility alone.

I disagree with your point that Ethereum and Bitcoin are not scams. Their last year's price looks very alarming. This year is only returning to their original value, but I believe Bitcoin and Ethereum will be very large potential in 2018,don’t make conclusions early.

Maybe you didn’t do your own research before you invested on Bitcoin and Ehtereum. Because if you did, then you should’ve known that these cryptocurrencies are constantly moving and they are not always increasing all the time. The market currently is not stable and keeps on fluctuating and no one can tell yet when it will be stable.

in any case, you can not define Bitcoin as fraud. The fact that his son is not at all justified, I also think so. But in order to rid the Society of such, we must really use Bitcoin in everyday life, Only in this way will we be able to stabilize the market and make Bitcoin really useful for society.

I feel your pain thats how crypto markets welcome their investors, but the important is you learn from that tragic event. Next time you should consult an expert trader or a friend who knows how crypto market moves. I think you should hold until 2019 maybe the price will exceed from your expectations and your frustrations will be replaced with motivations.

Hey buddy there is 1000 and 1000 of people around this forum. they are all working for bitcoin and ETH also other coins too. that may be scam ICO are there but BTC and ETH are not scam. If you dont have trust in bitcoin go out of this forum. Later you are the looser. I have more than 1 year experience in this forum. Dont use these kind of words.

I believe the same and have reasons to prove my statements. If ETH and Bitcoin were scams, they would not have come such a long way. Besides, the rational people would not have invested so much in Bitcoin and then ETH. They invest only when they see profit and they are getting the profit. Besides, just look at the facilities the crypto has introduced. It has given the financial freedom and has allowed people to earn easy money even by investing little. How come you call it scams?

I'm amazed at people ... You came to a volatile, unstable, unregulated market, invested your money and now complain and shout that the crypto currency is a scam.
Crypto currency is not a scam - it's a breakthrough. And people earn money on this. You invested in order to earn money, only you did not have the wit for it. Or did you think that the market MUST give you your profit? What did you do to earn something? Do you understand that to come and invest its do nothing? The market will not adapt to you. And you, if you want to earn, must work!
Bitcoin and eth are good coins, thanks to which the revolution is happening now. We all stand at the root of big changes!

They are focused on making their money as big as possible with the shortest period of time as possible, then when the crushed happen they start saying it is a scam. Because they don't have the knowledge that this kind of thing is happening every year and even in the past..

You're just too unlucky that the time doesn't favor your investment. Of course, cryptocurrencies are volatile so don't expect them to rise all the time. What happened now is part of its volatility as their market price goes down the unexpected. All you need to do for now is to hold them as much as you can because they will rise again.

To say that BTC is a scam is not right, they rise and fall as the hands of the wealthy people have manipulated prices to their will. So btc volatility is high and today many people are expecting too much btc and they have pretty much lost.

BTC is now down pretty deep, many people think btc will die and they are afraid that this should sell a lot of btc to the market, but I think should not worry too much, it is bad time and they will grow come back in the future.

There may be some people who say that BTC is a fraud, it's because he does not understand or examine it first, because it's all wrong, they go up and down, because the big traders have been manipulating the price when they see it, so the BTC volatility is high and ETH
for now we can not expect more about BTC and ETH, because it may take a long time to be able to stabilize the price of this coin

You buy bitcoin and ethereum at high price. And now you are in regret. Bitcoin and ethereum is not scam. Your timing is bad when you buy them. But don't lose hope. Lets hope that they will comeback to that price again.

The fact that you invested in the crypto currency and did not receive instant profit is only your fault. If you understood what is behind this technology and have more patience, you would not say that.

it's probably not worth blaming people for lack of knowledge, because a lot of investors today are in very poor condition, especially those who invested in Bitcoin in late 2017.

Both bitcoin and ethereum are useful for long haul speculation. As the cost of Ethereum is very low contrasted with bitcoin, so I would pick Ethereum to hold long haul.

It is your own responsibility for your own investments- If you believe this space is a scam then leave and realise your loss, a lot of people here will be glad to remind you a few years down the line that you should os stayed, but its your own choice

if you bough ETH and BTC at a really high price this doesn't mean they're scam!
everybody hope prices will come back to previous ATH. Only the time (and whales) can say this to us.
this bleeding has to stop soon or later!

I do not think so, BTC is not a scam coin, people involved in buying them have cheated, the whale used their capital to create turbulent for the price of BTC, because the price of BTC fluctuations. Many people fear and think they are fraudulent, in fact, the BTC is the most powerful digital currency.

I don't think they are scams. But the value is build mostly on speculation. The real value will develop itself in the future. But i think these 2 will keep on rising the coming years.

that means you do not understand about the risks involved in cryptocurrency and strategy for trading. and you buy at the wrong time, buy bitcoin and eth at the highest price. you are one of the victims of FOMO and then you say bitcoin and eth is a big scam. LOL

Many people already became millionaire with those crypto you mentioned. Its just that you bought it during hype and until now market is down . Patience is the key to success . Good Luck !  ;)

Actually this is not a fault of Bitcoin or Ethereum, in fact this is not a fraud but a very risky investment because we may lose our money or get a bigger profit, but we need to develop our skills and knowledge in this technology before investing and have a very large patient to wait for the best price.

The knowledge in the technology is not important. You only need to know how to use your wallet and how to protect it. What is important is your trading ability.

This is not fraud. Though these cryptos are highly risky investment but they can lead to good profits in the future.
Volatility is a characteristic of the coins which make them great investment assets. You have to be patient through this market dip and hold onto your coins.
Bitcoin has the potential to cross the $15000 mark by the end of 2018 and similarly Ethereum is gaining more and more acceptance day by day and can cross the $1500 mark easily by the end of 2018. You can expect good returns from these coins in the future.

The true is that he needs some more time to get something from those investments, if he is patient enough he could get some income in coming months in my opinion.

I'm sorry you have such a bitter experience, but you're mistaken. This is a correction of the market and can not do without it.

Since prices fall far when you invest you consider bitcoin and ethereum is a scam? I think it's wrong because every big increase there must be a big drop too, it's because the price of the crypto is very volatile. We also know including me that when bitcoin prices go from $ 1,000 to $ 2,000 as well as eth and many people are selling their coins, they get huge profits. So this is not a scam I think, this is part of the fluctuations.

Investing in crypto is very risky, and you should know it before investing in crypto. And if you want to benefit from bitcoin and ethereum you have to have patience.

Oo why should BTC or ETH be a scam because of your investment Oo

You should think of long term investment , not making mouch money in short time.
Sucht an shity thread should be deleted

These are actually the people who intent to invest in these crypto currencies and want our opinion because we have been here for some time now. You are right, because if both of them were scams or bubbles, they would have not mad such worthy market cap.

So many people have earned billions of dollars and are still in the pursuit of more. It is legalized by so many countries and the economists sitting in these governments are not kids.

I am convinced that all those who chose to invest in this market moved solely and exclusively by the great speculative wave of late 2017 and early 2018 deserve the great losses they are suffering, because in some way they are the cause that this market has become a mess that has dragged us all into the quagmire.

For my part I am happy to see the market at this low point, because in this way many speculators will be scared away and only those who are really interested in this promising technology will persist here.

That's choice and that's is your decision nobody can stop you because everyone have an freedom of choice in their lives.

Sorry don't offend for me i think your not enough understand the bitcoin as decentralized volatile cryptocurrency and you listen to the thoughts of other peole against the bitcoin.

What you say is very chaotic and full of emotion, it looks like you are one of those people who do not understand how crypto currencies work, so when you buy you don't think about them carefully. It should be that's when you ask, not now. Because, the current condition is very different, not the same as last year. But because you already bought it so you should hold it. You must believe that Bitcoin and ETH prices will improve again. I need to remind you Bitcoin and ETH aren't SCAM.

I think because you lose money on your investment that doesn't mean it's a scam, you just don't understand how the market works. So now let's buy and hold them, maybe we will become millionaires in the next few years, which is very good.

It's so funny mate. Are you a troll? Beacuse it's okay for coins to fall in price. And it's ok for them to rise. I think this huge scales just making you fear and panic. It's ok, believe me. Everything will be fine you'll see.

my friend you bought at a very high price. why do you get something more without knowing it. I will hopefully be patient and it will be much higher prices if everything goes well.

It looks like OP started his investment just because of the mainstream. At least he could read a bit about what bitcoin is and how the market works. Basic knowledge is a must for people who want to involve in this cryptocurrency community. Big risk is waiting, but big profit is waiting as well.

well, maybe he has lost a lot so he did a lot of news and spread about a fraud. eth and bitcoin are impossible to cheat. only a lot of losers will say he loses

It was unnecessary to buy currencies for such a high price. And you hate the market now cause you just hurried with decisions  ???

users of crypto currency and investors makes decisions on investments in this or that coin, But if it is Bitcoin or etherium, then for today it is the most promising coins on the entire crypto-currency market.

i think you must have check and do your research first before investing.. you cannot say they are scam until the price is 0 ;D ;D

If you but at that price you should hold them for long, i think bitcoin will have a new ATH even if will not happen this year i think on 2020 you can take a profit. And you can't say they are scam, is only the time problem ăst when you buy it.

He's one of the guys that rushed into cryptocurrency in late 2017 during the boom to make quick money without understanding the dynamics of the market. All hope should not be lost though, bitcoin Is fast recovering

Holding is really important, we can't get instant return and bitcoin and ETH already proven how profitable they are.
But like a legit project, there are also tough times and we should understand that, this is a coin that has limited supply but is going to increase its demand in the future, also consider the market manipulation, if you get affected and panic, you probably going to end your journey soon.

Hi Bro you can say you loss from the investing perspective, while you cannot say they are scam. For me, as well as IoT, AI, 5G, Blockchain is also a part of the new technical revolution. Many industries are applying the blockchain tech like courier, copyright, bank, statistics, etc.

I tbh invest below projects:

Bitcoin
Ethereum
Stellar
Historia.network
DGB

It is unfortunate when people buy at the top and expect returns. The crypto markets are merciless so people need to be smart and buy at the bottom rather than wait for it to pump then invest

Because you are a newbie,  in bitcoin you forgot to research before you invest. In any undertaking, you should know what you are doing first. Before you engage in anything, know what it is all about because, in the end, no one is responsible for anything you have done but you. You are the one who decides for yourself.

If cryptocurrency is scam, then maybe mankind existence is scam too. I am sorry for your loss but if you get patient enough, in few years time, bitcoin and ethereum will certainly topple their all time highs. Try to research and read more about the cryptocurrency Market while you wait

I don't think bitcoin and ethereum are big scam instead I think they are the most reliable two project right now in the universe but everything need time to grow

People were excited about the price growth of the cryptocurrencies, they believed the rumors about Bitcoin that would grow and reach 50 K in 2017, and it was a mistake. Now, they need to wait for the slow growth of BTC long.

I think you should consider and choose the right time to invest most effectively. Please anticipate the risks and potential assessment of your project otherwise you will get zero. But now perhaps this is the right time for you to invest when the BTC is on the rise and stable above $ 7k9.

yes I really agree with you, don't panic when investing in bitcoin and ethereum both of these coins have very high quality in the future and will give big profit so there is nothing to doubt

The prices pumps but when it falls you dont just call it a scam. You need to educate yourself on the highs and lows of cryptocurrency and get familiar with the trend.

Definitely a cryptocurrency market is manipulated by big whales and unscrupulous speculators who do everything to lower the price and buy cryptocurrency for cheap.  They operate with such methods, which is very harmful to the entire cryptocurrency market.  We see how the market is being depleted and even the most promising projects disappear.  But it is possible not to speak about fraud in relation to Bitcoin, because such information campaign only negatively affects the entire cryptocurrency market.

bought bitcoin and ethereum doesn't means if both cryptocurreny is a scam mate
because everyone knew if both crypto were the best crypto for now, you just bought btc and eth in the wrong time my friend
regards

Invest smartly, use a simple formula when buying low prices and selling when prices are high. That's the main point to make a profit. In its application must be smart and able to analyze price movements will go up or down, so that the decisions taken do not follow the opinions of others.
Loss on investment is a natural thing, but the loss caused by ignorance or emotion, in my opinion is very painful because it shows our stupidity. Investors must be smart, minimum policies are taken due to mature considerations of themselves.

you bought those coins when the price was so high and at once the price went down you don't know that the price is not stable?do your own research first before investing!

I think he makes a wrong decision to buy when the price was at the top price, and he did not predict the price can down in anytime. And suddenly the price is down, and he was regret to buy bitcoin and eth. But if he can wait for a while or for a long time, I am sure the price will going to increase again, and I am sure that he can make a profit again. He still needs to be patient to wait for the price to back to the higher price and don't sell when the price is at a low price.

It may take several years to wait until his price at least returns the money. It's a waste of time. During this time, successful investors will get multiple profits.
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If you have losses, then the asset is fraudulent. Fun logic ;D.

if Bitcoin is refused and then no one will help the blockchain system to continue and serve care for long time because Bitcoin is the most useful cryptocurrency to stay the blockchain system to continue for long time otherwise no one will helpful for that to take on.

we cannot say like that because Bitcoin is giving proper profit for everyone for the investment and if we think about the future then everything had the problem involved in it that's why I say if it was profitable today then do it.

it is very true what you say, many investors who only think of profits without understanding and avoiding all the risks they will get in investing with crypto currencies and that makes investors think negatively

Bitcoin can't possibly be a scam, so is ethereum.
maybe this happens because of the rapid price pluctuations so it's a slit to predict. but this is not a good reason to say SCAM.

That is what is what we called wrong timing. You should first learn how to invest properly in cryptocurrency to avoid losses and you should familiarize yourself on the coin you want to buy so you can able to plan your trade. Calling bitcoin and ethereum scams will not solve your problem of losing trade and you should better take a step by educating yourself on cryptocurrency instead. If you have patience then wait for the price of bitcoin and ethereum to go up again.

They're not scams, it's just that you were unfortunate to enter the market at what turned out to be a huge price peak. But don't give up and don't sell at a loss - Bitcoin and ETH are the two strongest coins out there, and I expect both to have a great future, and reach new all-time highs. Just be patient if you can, and don't sell yet. Go away from crypto if you have to, but come back in a few years and you'll likely see big increases for those two coins.

I'm not sure about ethereum, but bitcoin now definitely has some value. But at the same time it can fall to almost zero, so it is a very risky asset.

LOL!!!
You only made bad investment choices in a highly volatile market mate. Image if you had invested when BTC was less than 1k....BTC
anyway, rather than lick your wounds from the losses, best to look for coins with interesting use cases (https://www.ecomi.com/?utm_source=ecomilx) that can be adopted in the future and invest for the LONG TERM.

Ethereum so far still has a good volume and value, so it's not scam yet.


Bitcoin represent the crypto world since it's the most popular and the most dominant coin in the market.
This crypto world could still live if other coins like ETH will result to scam but if BTC will become a scam, everything will die, and we all loss money.

In investing, don't say scam if you hold the coin you just bought for a few months. investment for long-term goals. so in essence you now get a loss for the investment that you make for now, but who knows in the next few months there will be an increase in the price of the coins you have bought. this is your advantage.

On investing it depends on you so don't talk about bitcoin and etherium is scam. Ill think you have some mistake on their because we all know investing was to risky for us, So must better to think about if you want to invest your money to the coins you want to invested. Actually bitcoin and etherium was one of the trusted coins and for a longterm investment also.

I think those scenario which we can say scam was those people who did some middleman strategy, that used bitcoin as an investment scheme and not the person itself who perform the actual trading. Most of them made bitcoin or ethereum as a scape goat of their devious acts, that put bitcoin to bad image towards the people who criticizes digital currency.

Bitcoin and Ethereum are still the best to hold for long term it is guaranteed that it will not stop because they have many supporters and demands for these coin are increasing, its not a scam you just rode into the peak till its correction

Sorry but this is very funny in my opinion, because I see you don't understand crypto, maybe you invest in crypto just follow trends without knowing the system and the risks

Teach him how to buy stocks and he will say exactly the same about stock market or commodities... If you don't know how a market works, you should stay away and don't talk about. Cause you only proof that you are a fool.  :P