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Title: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Blackshadow007 on April 05, 2018, 10:40:18 AM
Well not sure this is true or not but seems like death of crypto in India .

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/your-bank-will-not-allow-you-to-buy-bitcoins-anymore/articleshow/63627123.cms




Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: SpadeFX on April 05, 2018, 10:56:31 AM
It's official.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlB_jcdC4Po&feature=youtu.be


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: ~Money~ on April 05, 2018, 11:48:28 AM
unfortunately it is really happening

this is the end of crypto in india, wondering what will happen to bitindia !
maybe it is time to leave this world by us

and maybe it comes a big goodbye by us, Indians, on forum  :(


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: achris on April 05, 2018, 01:04:31 PM
you can still sell it outside india


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: kabit9 on April 05, 2018, 03:30:05 PM
you can still sell it outside india

How?  Do you have a bank a/c outside india to cash out to? if so, that's probably illegal if you are an indian citizen not working abroad.

This is pretty much a direct ban to all crypto's in India. Short of declaring it illegal and subject to criminal prosecution to own cryptos, this is the nearest they have done. It is very very negative news and i expect markets to take it accordingly.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: ershovspa on April 05, 2018, 04:45:29 PM
This news is quite strange. They are banning bitcoins as it is affecting market integrity of the country. And now they want to launch their own coin ?


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: akhjob on April 05, 2018, 05:22:24 PM
RBI is not banning Crypto. Just curtailing the money flow into cryptos and trying to create a centralized cryptocurrency. This is the relevant portion of Official press release given below

Quote
12. Central Bank Digital Currency

Rapid changes in the landscape of the payments industry along with factors such as emergence of private digital tokens and the rising costs of managing fiat paper/metallic money have led central banks around the world to explore the option of introducing fiat digital currencies. While many central banks are still engaged in the debate, an inter-departmental group has been constituted by the Reserve Bank to study and provide guidance on the desirability and feasibility to introduce a central bank digital currency. The Report will be submitted by end-June 2018.

13. Ring-fencing regulated entities from virtual currencies

Technological innovations, including those underlying virtual currencies, have the potential to improve the efficiency and inclusiveness of the financial system. However, Virtual Currencies (VCs), also variously referred to as crypto currencies and crypto assets, raise concerns of consumer protection, market integrity and money laundering, among others.

Reserve Bank has repeatedly cautioned users, holders and traders of virtual currencies, including Bitcoins, regarding various risks associated in dealing with such virtual currencies. In view of the associated risks, it has been decided that, with immediate effect, entities regulated by RBI shall not deal with or provide services to any individual or business entities dealing with or settling VCs. Regulated entities which already provide such services shall exit the relationship within a specified time. A circular in this regard is being issued separately.

Source:
Quote
https://rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_PressReleaseDisplay.aspx?prid=43574


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: doublecoins on April 05, 2018, 05:53:21 PM
now it is clear India banks and Indian financial system declare war on Bitcoin they don't want the future generation to enter into Bitcoin and crypto assets


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: hdclover on April 05, 2018, 06:53:07 PM
This is not the death. You can still trade cryptocurrencies in person to person exchange like localbitcoins, remitano etc. Ofcourse we will see a major price drop in Indian exchanges but this is definately not the end of cryptos. Looks like RBI is planning on some kind of their own digital SHIT coin so they don't like crypto.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Blackshadow007 on April 06, 2018, 03:15:43 AM
Yes there will be always many possible way to cash out but its not user friendly for all Indians as it was via indian exchanges . Most of Indians do not know other ways to cash out than simple Bank withdrawals from Indian Exchange . peer to peer trade no one can stop , you can sell crypto you own via forums , Localbitcoins for Cash and many other ways like PayPal acceptance for your crypto with trusted traders .


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: UPENtXF on April 06, 2018, 03:17:13 AM
This is not the death. You can still trade cryptocurrencies in person to person exchange like localbitcoins, remitano etc. Ofcourse we will see a major price drop in Indian exchanges but this is definately not the end of cryptos. Looks like RBI is planning on some kind of their own digital SHIT coin so they don't like crypto.

That's right in general. They can force centralized exchange sites like Localbitcoins and Remitano to stop offers in India, but they can't stop Bisq and other more decentralized exchanges the same way.

Take action!
 https://bisq.network/ (https://bisq.network/)

Liquidity won't come to decentralized exchanges until you bring it!
Still don't see any INR offers on Bisq order book.

They need contributors too, such as Java devs:
https://bisq.network/contribute/ (https://bisq.network/contribute/)

At least, spread the word on social media!


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: achris on April 06, 2018, 05:36:29 AM

Thanks UPENtXF for brining this platform to notice.
I like the way it connects to the Tor network :))

The questions still remains ...
The actual transfer to  fiat currency via National Bank transfer - is that still legal ? ( even though its a P2P transfer ) And does the RBI have a jurisdiction over direct individual money transfers - resulting in crypto-currency related transactions



This is not the death. You can still trade cryptocurrencies in person to person exchange like localbitcoins, remitano etc. Ofcourse we will see a major price drop in Indian exchanges but this is definately not the end of cryptos. Looks like RBI is planning on some kind of their own digital SHIT coin so they don't like crypto.

That's right in general. They can force centralized exchange sites like Localbitcoins and Remitano to stop offers in India, but they can't stop Bisq and other more decentralized exchanges the same way.

Take action!
 https://bisq.network/ (https://bisq.network/)

Liquidity won't come to decentralized exchanges until you bring it!
Still don't see any INR offers on Bisq order book.

They need contributors too, such as Java devs:
https://bisq.network/contribute/ (https://bisq.network/contribute/)

At least, spread the word on social media!


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: CryptoKnight7 on April 06, 2018, 05:51:15 AM
As many people have said earlier in this thread, there are ways one can still trade cryptocurrencies. Also, don't forget RBI has given a window of three months for private entities like banks to withdraw their support to companies and individuals related to cryptocurrencies. So, we have a time period of three months to figure out ways to overcome this hurdle. It won't be easy, it won't be simple, but it certainly is not impossible. South Korean investors have done it before, Chinese investors overcame their government's ban on cryptocurrency exchange. Certainly, we can do it too. Our market is not even that big that we can affect the international market. There's hardly any change in international market despite a major dip in the Indian market.

Source (https://cryptonyooz.com/are-cyptocurrencies-really-banned/)


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Somz1 on April 06, 2018, 05:53:49 AM
Most of the ignorant folks think an exchange ban = Bitcoin ban, one cant simply ban Bitcoin, jeez
The govt is just stupid, allowing other countries to thrive while India will realise it value at the very end and then try to make things right....Same as always


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: RocketSingh on April 06, 2018, 11:19:31 AM
Well not sure this is true or not but seems like death of crypto in India .

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/wealth/personal-finance-news/your-bank-will-not-allow-you-to-buy-bitcoins-anymore/articleshow/63627123.cms

This will only make sure that the volume will explode on sites like https://localbitcoins.com & https://bisq.network. Good for those who trade over there.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Naman1111 on April 06, 2018, 12:35:06 PM
Guys there is still a window of 3 months. I already know of a lawyer whi is moving a PIL against this RBI order. RBI as of now dont have any authority on Zebpay like exchanges that is why it is trying to curb the transactions. Everyother progressive nation is working towards legalizing crypto and our government is holding back. Such big dissappoinment.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: kimochidesh on April 07, 2018, 06:56:49 PM
Yes the news is true. RBI has banned cryptocurrencies implying that the commercial banks cannot carry out any transactions in crypto assets. But this does not means that it is an end of Bitcoin in India. The people of India can still trade in Bitcoin. RBI cannot stop decentralized exchange from offering Bitcoin in India.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: achris on April 07, 2018, 07:37:06 PM
Tim Draper on why this move by RBI is a big mistake

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/opinion/interviews/if-india-makes-bitcoin-illegal-other-countries-will-gain-tim-draper-draper-venture-network/articleshow/63633507.cms


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: The_Don1 on April 08, 2018, 04:30:30 AM
Govt just want peoples money to come in bank because banks become very poor in last 2 years .. go fund them with your taxes /cess / bitcoins :)


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: achris on April 08, 2018, 04:54:20 AM
Not true .

After the demonetization , there was a new inflow of Rs 15.28 lakh crore into the banking system.
That's another reason why the interest rates have remained unchanged this time around.
Banks have not become poorer .  All the peoples money have been collected to infuse funds into the banking system via demonetization.
Only major problem is that the NPAs keep growing nevertheless. !! :(


Govt just want peoples money to come in bank because banks become very poor in last 2 years .. go fund them with your taxes /cess / bitcoins :)


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: The_Don1 on April 08, 2018, 07:54:56 AM
Not true .

After the demonetization , there was a new inflow of Rs 15.28 lakh crore into the banking system.
That's another reason why the interest rates have remained unchanged this time around.
Banks have not become poorer .  All the peoples money have been collected to infuse funds into the banking system via demonetization.
Only major problem is that the NPAs keep growing nevertheless. !! :(


Govt just want peoples money to come in bank because banks become very poor in last 2 years .. go fund them with your taxes /cess / bitcoins :)

but now most of traders and shop owners mostly dealing with cash .. other wise the charge 2% extra if you pay via debit card .. people loosed trust on current banking system and policies..


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: achris on April 08, 2018, 11:53:16 AM
Huh ?? I dont know what you are trying to say.

This thread is about something else . Why don't you start another thread titled "How I lost trust in Indian banking System"
This thread is about RBI ban on banks supporting crypto currency services.

Not true .

After the demonetization , there was a new inflow of Rs 15.28 lakh crore into the banking system.
That's another reason why the interest rates have remained unchanged this time around.
Banks have not become poorer .  All the peoples money have been collected to infuse funds into the banking system via demonetization.
Only major problem is that the NPAs keep growing nevertheless. !! :(


Govt just want peoples money to come in bank because banks become very poor in last 2 years .. go fund them with your taxes /cess / bitcoins :)

but now most of traders and shop owners mostly dealing with cash .. other wise the charge 2% extra if you pay via debit card .. people loosed trust on current banking system and policies..


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Rajs64 on April 08, 2018, 01:09:55 PM
the stupidest decision ever taken by RBI. entrepreneurs will now move to other crypto$ countries. there was such a huge potential to attract investors and developing the economy while bitcoin and other digital currency become stable.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: ~Money~ on April 08, 2018, 04:30:47 PM
dont be worry guys, we are bitcoiners, we will find a solution for that soon, for now crypto-crypto is solution for exchange,
there is 1 solution for transferring fiat in the corner, we just need to find and use it

but according to rumors, rbi is preparing market to sell his own crypto currency and if that happens, we will find that coder solution too


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: sgk on April 09, 2018, 03:58:05 AM
Please sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/rbi-make-india-at-the-forefront-of-blockchain-applications-revolution


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: originalcoin on April 09, 2018, 05:15:10 AM
Please sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/rbi-make-india-at-the-forefront-of-blockchain-applications-revolution

I have done. All other do this.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: rudystyle on April 09, 2018, 05:49:17 AM
Govt is motivated and fuelled by fear and a desire to control its citizens. Innovation will always be stifled in these conditions.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: RameshSekar111 on April 11, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
They try to ban Decentralised cryptocoin, but government also issue income tax notice to cryptocoin holders. They want the gain share.
 Now Indian government also want to create wealth by creating centralised cryptocoin.

Bloody Indian politicians (majority) secure their black money abroad, but they don't want citizens to earn from cryptocoin even if they pay their taxes.

We have to fight for our rights.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: deepakg2m on April 12, 2018, 10:35:22 AM
the stupidest decision ever taken by RBI. entrepreneurs will now move to other crypto$ countries. there was such a huge potential to attract investors and developing the economy while bitcoin and other digital currency become stable.
Yes, very true because Indian Government is on one side promoting cashless India and if on the other side they ban cryptocurrency then that would be the most foolish and double minded decision which in turn will also show how efficient the Government is.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Nik007 on April 12, 2018, 10:43:04 AM
Worst decision ever....


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: bright07 on April 27, 2018, 08:38:15 AM
Yes, it can happen that RBI may ban it .But still now it's business is running in India. There are many exchanges out side India, which are working in crypto.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: legendster on April 27, 2018, 10:38:10 AM
This is the quintessential example of spreading fud from an individual who is mentally dud.
Banning exchanges does not equate to banning cryptos. There is NO way to ban cryptos.

In India we have banned books (http://www.sify.com/news/india-state-bans-book-hinting-gandhi-had-gay-lover-news-offbeat-ld4q4Jejdaasi.html), movies (https://www.thecut.com/2015/03/powerful-rape-documentary-banned-in-india.html) and dresses (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-village-women-ban-attractive-clothes-mobile-phones-sexual-assault-baldiyapura-rajasthan-a7822296.html) just because they offend our retarded mentality. Its nothing new and such things cannot stop the widespread adoption of cryptos in India.

If anything, even people who didn't know what it was, would now come to know about it.

On the hindsight, if I were to write a parodical sketch about the issue, I'd interpret what they're saying as;
"Crypto bad, you get rich, we get no tax, so we no allow you crypto. But we make our pavitra crypto, buy our crypto, you stay poor, pay us tax, we get rich"


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: Blackshadow007 on April 28, 2018, 03:46:22 AM
RIP Coinsecure ;-;

yes that's unexpected seriously ..


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: cryptosluck on April 29, 2018, 01:16:42 PM
Rbi ban is on hodl as of now High court of delhi sent notices to rbi and finance ministry regarding Crypto trading


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: botany on April 29, 2018, 09:28:49 PM
Rbi ban is on hodl as of now High court of delhi sent notices to rbi and finance ministry regarding Crypto trading

The Court has sent notices, but has not issued a stay order. There is a big difference between the two. If the courts do not give any interim relief, but continue hearing the case, the exchanges might as well forget about reopening.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: legendster on April 30, 2018, 04:28:37 PM
Rbi ban is on hodl as of now High court of delhi sent notices to rbi and finance ministry regarding Crypto trading

The Court has sent notices, but has not issued a stay order. There is a big difference between the two. If the courts do not give any interim relief, but continue hearing the case, the exchanges might as well forget about reopening.

Crypto from day one has been poised as a disruptor and for the first time in India at least, it is acting like it. They have finally stopped looking the other way and turn their heads towards crypto, but they fail to realize that they are almost a decade too late to make any real effect. If anything this will (and has) only cut back their revenue from taxes.

As far as stay order is concerned, petitions have already been filed and you can expect an interim stay order would be affected on the first day of the hearing or at least within the first month of the hearing start date. As far as I know that is the common procedure in such instances, look at the Aadhaar case for instance.

Please sign this petition:
https://www.change.org/p/rbi-make-india-at-the-forefront-of-blockchain-applications-revolution

Didn't notice this before. But signed. Also glad to see you still around and kickin'.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: botany on April 30, 2018, 07:06:29 PM
As far as stay order is concerned, petitions have already been filed and you can expect an interim stay order would be affected on the first day of the hearing or at least within the first month of the hearing start date. As far as I know that is the common procedure in such instances, look at the Aadhaar case for instance.

If this does happen, the exchanges can consider it to be a small victory. By the time the courts give their final verdict, the world would have moved on. But I am not convinced that interim relief is that common.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: legendster on May 01, 2018, 06:47:59 AM

If this does happen, the exchanges can consider it to be a small victory. By the time the courts give their final verdict, the world would have moved on. But I am not convinced that interim relief is that common.

The world moving on from Bitcoin? Not going to happen.
An interim relief is not a victory at all, it is just an 'interim relief'. The deal with any economical movement in a country involves the legislation first and then a governing body is formed and then the action is taken. But here the thing is reversed in case of Bitcoin, we were always standing on pillars of sand with no legality defining our existence within the country. To terraform those pillars or sands into the shoulders of atlas we'll need to form a political body that can 'lobby' for us. Buy the gov. like multinational corps bought this BJP gov & put it to power.

Such a ban - if you can call it that, was necessary, we will now get our act together and take the right steps that we should have taken way back in 2011.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: botany on May 02, 2018, 08:55:13 PM

If this does happen, the exchanges can consider it to be a small victory. By the time the courts give their final verdict, the world would have moved on. But I am not convinced that interim relief is that common.

The world moving on from Bitcoin? Not going to happen.
An interim relief is not a victory at all, it is just an 'interim relief'. The deal with any economical movement in a country involves the legislation first and then a governing body is formed and then the action is taken. But here the thing is reversed in case of Bitcoin, we were always standing on pillars of sand with no legality defining our existence within the country. To terraform those pillars or sands into the shoulders of atlas we'll need to form a political body that can 'lobby' for us. Buy the gov. like multinational corps bought this BJP gov & put it to power.

Such a ban - if you can call it that, was necessary, we will now get our act together and take the right steps that we should have taken way back in 2011.

Things move at a snail's pace in India. If it takes 2 decades to announce a decision on bank accounts for exchanges, it is pretty much useless.
Interim relief is a small victory precisely because of the time it takes courts to adjudicate on issues. Exchanges can operate as usual, until the final verdict is delivered. In an ideal world, there would be legislation on the basis of which bitcoin companies would operate. Indian institutions are far from ideal.


Title: Re: At last RBI ban on Crypto
Post by: shekhar0005 on May 04, 2018, 06:39:35 AM
RBI announced that regulated entities already providing services to any individual or business dealing in digital currencies have been given three months to exit the relationship.


Read more at:
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