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Title: You Choose... Post by: MoonShadow on July 28, 2011, 10:44:47 PM http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/federal-debt-limit-you-choose-who-gets-paid/?hpid=z2
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: myrkul on July 28, 2011, 11:10:56 PM I made it fit, by cutting:
* Payments to defense vendors such as BAE Systems, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman and Boeing * Unpaid Treasury securities affect investors, markets, US economy / dollar and the global economy * 3.7 million people on unemployment benefits * 1.4 million active duty military personnel salaries * Veterans benefits such as pensions and disability payments, and services, such as health care for veterans * FBI, federal courts * Job training and employment services * Smaller costs in such agencies as State Department, Agriculture Department, Federal Railroad Administration, and U.S. Post Service money orders and District of Columbia funds Had half a billion left over, too. This is fun! Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: iamzill on July 29, 2011, 04:01:38 AM Interesting how the Department of Education needs 20 billion dollars in a month when they run a grand total of 0 schools.
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Jaime Frontero on July 29, 2011, 05:42:51 AM Interesting how the Department of Education needs 20 billion dollars in a month when they run a grand total of 0 schools. uh huh. would you propose that they just walk away during the summer? give them over to bums and insects? not use the buildings to generate income during those summer months (which they do)? not develop curricula? do you have any idea what you're talking about? they never stop 'running' schools. not for one day. sometimes they don't have their mainline students in them, that's all. never taught anything, have you? Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: The Script on July 29, 2011, 06:18:21 AM Wow, that was easy. And I still have 172.4 Billion leftover.
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 29, 2011, 02:43:02 PM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. States are more than capable of handling it, just as they did in the past.
Problem solved. Feel free to look at this info from Department of Education insider before you crawl into bed and want to Government to make everything better for you. http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf Interesting how the Department of Education needs 20 billion dollars in a month when they run a grand total of 0 schools. uh huh. would you propose that they just walk away during the summer? give them over to bums and insects? not use the buildings to generate income during those summer months (which they do)? not develop curricula? do you have any idea what you're talking about? they never stop 'running' schools. not for one day. sometimes they don't have their mainline students in them, that's all. never taught anything, have you? Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Rassah on July 29, 2011, 03:07:09 PM Really, only ones I'd keep are Social Security, Medicare, Interest on Treasuries, IRS Refunds, HUD, Fed salaries, active duty pay, and Department of Justice. Keep the old folks safe and in homes, keep their pensions safe, don't leave the soldiers stranded, and keep the justice system running to businesses still have trust here. I'd also prefer to keep the fed government running, since things like FBI, and CIA and stuff do provide some useful services, though I think that the Fed salary number should decrease if you keep some other things unchecked.
Unemployed and others? Guess it's time to make up with your estranged family members and move back in. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 29, 2011, 04:05:56 PM Defense Vendor Payments only because they are outstanding bills to 3rd parties. Once paid can be scaled back or eliminated.
No Interest on Treasuries(once the current set is paid out). Giving away money to people who buy our debt is a joke. Keep our own debt and pay it down instead of selling it and then buying it back again later at more than we got selling it in the first place. No payments to new Unemployment Insurance candidates, and those still on Dole unable to get more once they run out of their alotted amount. Period. IRS refunds can come out of the funds the IRS collects from other people(not mentioning that the IRS is not even a Government Agency, it is an arm of the World Bank/IMF and that your Income Tax doesn't go to pay for services it goes to pay interest to the Federal Reserve). Other Departments are useless or downright harmful the the American People due to mismanagement or malicious intent by the controllers. Let us not forget the hundreds of military bases worldwide we don't need. It's time to stop empire building and taking care of things at home. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Lannister/choose.jpg Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Babylon on July 29, 2011, 05:28:30 PM no revenue increases in there huh?
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Jaime Frontero on July 29, 2011, 06:08:17 PM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. States are more than capable of handling it, just as they did in the past. baloney. the US became the most powerful nation on earth because - right after our revolution - federally mandated universal education made us the best educated nation on earth. that lasted until somewhere around WWII. since then the corporatocracy has been incrementally whittling away at our educational infrastructure. and it shows. take, for example, your grasp of history... Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 29, 2011, 06:52:02 PM Why don't you pony up some evidence Champ instead of profusing your moronic grasp of Human Interaction any further.
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Rassah on July 29, 2011, 07:49:12 PM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. If "Federal" was at fault, explain why even more heavily federal schools in Europe, Asia, and Eastern Europe are doing better than the schools here in USA? Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: myrkul on July 29, 2011, 07:57:07 PM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. If "Federal" was at fault, explain why even more heavily federal schools in Europe, Asia, and Eastern Europe are doing better than the schools here in USA? Even governments occasionally get something right. The US just picked bad curriculum, and managed the schools poorly. I'd say that's the work of Democracy in action. Dumb populace that rejects evolution, elects representatives that are well... representative, and they make policies which make the populace happy, which just perpetuates the cycle. (and indeed, makes it worse, since it's not just the idiot's kids that get the dumbing-down) Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: LastBattle on July 29, 2011, 08:04:32 PM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. If "Federal" was at fault, explain why even more heavily federal schools in Europe, Asia, and Eastern Europe are doing better than the schools here in USA? "If slavery is a bad thing and unsustainable in the long run, then why were Spain and Rome so much more powerful than other nations that had fewer slaves?" It is the difference between an inefficient system being run with some degree of success and an inefficient system being run by drunken monkeys who are impossible to fire and constantly demand more money to "improve". There was a time when the US didn't have any government funded education at all, and there is evidence to suggest that literacy was nearly universal, with the benefit of creativity and entrepreneurship not being repressed in the process. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: GideonGono on July 29, 2011, 08:07:42 PM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. States are more than capable of handling it, just as they did in the past. baloney. the US became the most powerful nation on earth because - right after our revolution - federally mandated universal education made us the best educated nation on earth. that lasted until somewhere around WWII. since then the corporatocracy has been incrementally whittling away at our educational infrastructure. and it shows. take, for example, your grasp of history... Yeah, that education system of yours is doing a great job teaching financial literacy. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 29, 2011, 08:33:18 PM Here there is a deliberate effort to make the population dumber by controlling what they learn(and what they don't) on a national scale.
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/MomsPDFs/DDDoA.sml.pdf There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. If "Federal" was at fault, explain why even more heavily federal schools in Europe, Asia, and Eastern Europe are doing better than the schools here in USA? Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 29, 2011, 09:03:07 PM @ GideonGono - This is purposefully done so the population does not wake up to the financial robbery going on globally as well as at home. People are starting to wake up though through the efforts on Alternative News Outlets, and prominent figures such as Ron Paul who inject real issues onto the political scene while his po9litical "peers" flounder and look like morons whenever they speak.
"Yeah, that education system of yours is doing a great job teaching financial literacy." Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: iamzill on July 29, 2011, 10:07:04 PM Interesting how the Department of Education needs 20 billion dollars in a month when they run a grand total of 0 schools. uh huh. would you propose that they just walk away during the summer? give them over to bums and insects? not use the buildings to generate income during those summer months (which they do)? not develop curricula? do you have any idea what you're talking about? they never stop 'running' schools. not for one day. sometimes they don't have their mainline students in them, that's all. never taught anything, have you? It's not just the summer. The Federal Department of Education operate 0 school at all times. They own 0 school buildings, and serve 0 students. Education is state and city responsibility. I pay my fair share of taxes to support my local schools. I also understand that the share of my federal tax that goes to the Federal Department of Education do not support any of my local schools. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: MoonShadow on July 30, 2011, 04:00:14 AM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. States are more than capable of handling it, just as they did in the past. baloney. the US became the most powerful nation on earth because - right after our revolution - federally mandated universal education made us the best educated nation on earth. that lasted until somewhere around WWII. since then the corporatocracy has been incrementally whittling away at our educational infrastructure. and it shows. take, for example, your grasp of history... <sigh> The US wasn't the most powerful nation on Earth until after WWII. The federal government had zero roll in education until the founding of the Department of Education in the 1970's. Compulsory education of children didn't exist in the US anywhere until New York State started requiring the education of children in the 1870's, and compulsory education wasn't an nationwide requirement until 1913. Even then, it was only compulsory until 8th grade until after WWII. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 30, 2011, 04:51:03 AM /Moonslapped!
Lol Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: myrkul on July 30, 2011, 05:19:22 AM /Moonslapped! Lol Yup. Damned inconvenient facts, getting in the way of good rhetoric... Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: TheGer on July 30, 2011, 05:27:14 AM He will be to embarrassed to come back to this thread just you watch lol.
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Sovereign on July 30, 2011, 07:45:34 AM There is Zero reason the Federal Government should be involved in running Schools or Education. Especially due to how much they've F'cked the whole thing up. The education level has taken a nose dive in the US since Federal takeover. States are more than capable of handling it, just as they did in the past. baloney. the US became the most powerful nation on earth because - right after our revolution - federally mandated universal education made us the best educated nation on earth. that lasted until somewhere around WWII. since then the corporatocracy has been incrementally whittling away at our educational infrastructure. and it shows. take, for example, your grasp of history... <sigh> The US wasn't the most powerful nation on Earth until after WWII. The federal government had zero roll in education until the founding of the Department of Education in the 1970's. Compulsory education of children didn't exist in the US anywhere until New York State started requiring the education of children in the 1870's, and compulsory education wasn't an nationwide requirement until 1913. Even then, it was only compulsory until 8th grade until after WWII. This is too beautiful. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: Sovereign on July 30, 2011, 10:19:50 PM Still waiting reply from Jaime Frontero
Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: GideonGono on July 31, 2011, 08:49:57 PM Still waiting reply from Jaime Frontero Don't hold your breath. I'm still waiting for a response to this: The whole notion of "Tax the rich" is based on a fallacy. First, one must ask, who are the rich? The rich are the ones who in most all societies hold political power. Having political power and connections is the easiest way to get and stay rich. In the USA for example just look at the net worth of senior members of govt who make all the rules: Barack H. Osama - Net worth $10.5m source (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/21/the-net-worth-of-the-amer_n_825939.html?page=2) Nancy Pelosi - Net worth $35.2m Source (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-06-16/news/29687626_1_stock-gains-house-speaker-charles-rangel) Harry Reid - Net worth estimated between $3.1 - $6.7 million source (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/43684.html) I can go on and on... After decades of "socially progressive" policies all other the developed world we still see an increasing gap between rich and poor. I wonder, are people really that stupid to believe this shit? Or is this some kind of sick joke and I'm in the twilight zone? What will it take for you lefties to realize the plan ain't working? @ GideonGono - This is purposefully done so the population does not wake up to the financial robbery going on globally as well as at home. People are starting to wake up though through the efforts on Alternative News Outlets, and prominent figures such as Ron Paul who inject real issues onto the political scene while his po9litical "peers" flounder and look like morons whenever they speak. "Yeah, that education system of yours is doing a great job teaching financial literacy." Very true. My enlightenment started off with watching Ron Paul vids on Youtube, then I read Ron Paul Revolution > Milton Friedman vids > mises.org > read For a New Liberty and that was it. There is no coming back to statism after reading Rothbard. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: johnyj on August 01, 2011, 03:07:01 AM I think I will keep most of every spending, then I have to print money to pay them, so debt ceiling must be raised! ;D
As Buffet said, as long as the debt can be paid by printing US dollar, there is no problem. Of course USD will drop in value, but this has already been discussed many times in Keynesian Economics. More money will be printed, but there will be no significant inflation, inflation comes when demand is higher than supply, currently it is definitely not the case. Big international companies sit with tons of cash and loans but never spend, hope government will make an example by spending those loans and create some new projects Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: joulesbeef on August 01, 2011, 04:13:46 AM Reagan graduated public school.
Dept of education costs less then 2 months of iraq. Title: Re: You Choose... Post by: MoonShadow on August 01, 2011, 04:38:13 AM Reagan graduated public school. Dept of education costs less then 2 months of iraq. Reagan was a Democrat for 20+ years and the president of the Actor's Guild in California before becoming a Republican as well. Most good minds never really stop learning, and a public education can only delay the good mind for so long. That said, Reagan wasn't really very good with Economics either. And the Department of Education doesn't really do anything worth two months in iraq. The most influential regulatory body in the US over education is the Texas Board of Curriculum. |
