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Merit system is hindrance for those who want to rank up. What is the true basis of getting merit?

Nope.  Reading what you wrote is a boring exercise, like listening to someone complain about life while you're trying to work.  There are so many mistakes in your writing that it's jarring to read--beginning with your first sentence.

You tried to pad this post, but it's a thought that so many other non-English speakers have written, and the fact is that people are trying to post in a language that they're not competent in, and they're posting in huge spam threads that no one reads.  If you're writing crap that's hard to understand, not interesting, and it's stuff that everyone else is writing, are you really fucking surprised that no one is giving you merit?  You shouldn't be.

And do you realize why this system was put into place?  I'd like you to answer that question for me.

In forum posts, length does not equate to quality.

Blah, blah, blah. How many times have I read this story on meta before? Higher ranked members have been in the business, so to speak, much longer than newbies (with some exceptions). That’s why they know more and earn more merits.

Won’t people get tired of writing these kind of posts at some point?

Not while they see that some misguided members award merit to them.

This is why the Merit system was introduced.


Members that have been here a long time are more likely to have more knowledge and post useful stuff. Content quality isn't measured in post length.

Honestly merit is not like a star in the sky rather it is like a moon in the dark night. Once you have it you hit the moon and I can say you are the happiest person in the world for hitting the moon in the dark. Star can fall easily to the ground called black hole while the moon never fall but can be seen on its season. I will not complain about it for I know I can't do anything to stop merit but accept the fact that it will come if I deserve. Actually I'm dreaming for merit and I know that it is like I'm punching on the moon. For now much better to keep quiet and let us play the game of betterness with merit.

Let me break some myths for you:

1) Some new members got more merits than senior members. So do not generalize.

2) Senior members have more knowledge and experience which reflects in their posts. So they get merits.

And one question for you, since you compared merit system to stars, where is the justification for this ?

Normally, everyone who join this forum should not mind about merit but this forum is unique and unlike other forum , this forum has signature campaign and bounty.
For owner side, it's profitable because their revenue also increase
And for us, the poster, they become even more greed from time to time, bypass the post quality in order to achieve merit.

For shitposters, spammers and other non quality posters, ABSOLUTELY YES, it is hard gaining Merits for them...
I can't totally agree with you mate, not because I can receive Merits that can help me, its just that those HIGH RANKING people are the ones who really knows  about whats going on here and stayed for the better future for this Forum... They received more MERITS than the low ranking members, why? Although they have some short sentences to make but still it has a clear message for the OP/s. They're giving us an example of a quality posts... well, maybe there are some shit post of them that also gains Merits but it's their own decision whether they give or not... so let's just wait until they find our post a quality that suits their tastes.

And lastly... Don't compare Merits to the stars in the sky, because whatever you do you can't reach the stars above... No one has ever done that... Merits can be earned unlike the stars that you've been talking, you can never have one.

is false, you generalize and reality is different
see this guy
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1432750
is jr.member and have 85 merits because he do usefull stuffs

this is the reality

Stars are easy to see and portraits but never been possible to have.
So compare merit to other things, vote during election? Perhaps...

Never been complaining to this rules, since there's so much "hi" "hello " on local boards and they have to rank up as as like the other?
Think about it.

Yes it is. I am also believe that gaining a merit is a like an eclipse. You will see it after a years or many years. Even though you are a good in something, it is not enough because our rank considered as ignorant.

It was painful to go through your post history. If your English is at this level, you should try brushing up your technical knowledge and help others with that.

Technical information doesn't need to be wrapped up with forced words to be seen as substantial. That means you will have to work harder than usual. You should stop hoping for things to change with posts like this or by being extra polite. This has been a dead horse for quite a while.

There's only two ways for you to earn respect and merit on this forum:

1. Improve your knowledge and make yourself technically useful.
2. Actually demonstrate something you are doing in the real world to support or bolster the bitcoin economy.

If you are a star footballer, would you expect to be a star golfer without any training?

If you are rubbish at posting on the English boards, then why do you risk ridicule and your reputation by displaying your ineptitude on the serious boards here. I tried to start a training thread here,but very few people took advantage of it, and it ended up by being spammed by the incompetent with unhelpful comments. If you want to make progress here, then it is far better to try to improve your English elsewhere, or use you local language board.

You cant just beg for merits to get them, its not that easy and definitely wouldn't be fair to others because they actually try and thats how they receive them. You have to post quality posts. 

Length is not essential to a direct and precise statement. If you make your point within a few sentences that should suffice.

Why do senior members recieve more merit (assuming they do)? Their posts are better. It's really that simple.

I really don't think it's that hard to earn merit. I haven't done anything special and am still recieving merits for some of my posts.

From personal observations, I'd say a signifciant amount of newbie posts are terrible (either have no substance or have poor English). It's not a good thing when a good newbie post stands out.

Here is some advice I have specifically for you after looking through your posts:

-Never use the word "sir" again. It's a dead giveaway that English isn't your native language
-Stop posting in megathreads with thousands of replies. The vast majority of comments in those posts are pure spam and people (including me) never bother opening those.
-Even if your English isn't the best, fix obvious spelling/grammar errors

i think this looks increasingly like a good opportunity to start a new neutral cryptocurrency forum

regards

You will always think merit is an hindrance to raising your rank if you just make a post or thread isn't there any useful information for others, the English language is not understood by others and you just focus on the merit that will make your encumbrance. Sometimes you can also get merit with 'joke' post but the content of joke have a strong information to the thread you are commenting on.

I do not have a lot of merit, you can berate me for that reason. But I always see from people who get merit, and I learned about it and made a conclusion about how to get merit. And I am a person who has never criticized the merit system, most importantly I can contribute to this forum, it's enough for me.

If you think the merit system is unfair to people who don't have English as a first language, why don't you support some of the English improvement initiatives that are available through Bitcoin Talk? It would do you a lot more good than spamming some crappy bounty scam.

Basically yes but a lot of them are free merit given, 50 sMerit as "like" funcion from social media. This idea of "like=ton of merit" can be found also at newbie rank. Example? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3262704.msg33995730#msg33995730 43 Smerit.

When you post a useful article with many people, someone will give you merit instead of thank you, I think so. merit will help you increase the rank in bitcointalk. You just have to work hard to post good and useful content or reply to help people then you will have the ability to be merit people. :) :)

this forum isnt very newbie friendly in general...

You guys never had it so good. We had to through Newbie Jail when I joined and we weren't allowed to post on the main part of the forum. It isn't that it isn't Newbie friendly but that most Newbies only come here because they read somewhere they could make money from posting here. The few Newbies that come here because they heard about Bitcoin and were interested in learning more about it and getting involved have no problems at all.

Well, the outlook might be right but not all the time. I have observed the restrictions and new rules implemented by the moderators because of several abusers farming accounts here in this forum to sell accounts. So in order to lessen such things they implemented those rules, rules that are not friendly enough not only for newbies but for each and every one of us.

Incorrect...

check the below out..


That's a post by a newbie from the 3rd world, the big thing is he took some advice, didn't post for a few weeks and spent that time improving his English, there is a lot of hate towards the shitposters as they caused the forum to go drastically down hill. Now as people join, if they read the stickies, educate themselves and ask relevant questions (not ones that the answer can be found on the same fucking page) then they are welcomed into the community.

The negativity towards merit comes from people who cant do something and don't want to learn, so in other words the lazy, who really gives a fuck what lazy people think?

No, it has actually changed due to merit system. Newbies are warmly welcome, but if they are spammers, the forum has strict rules to make them sad.
Due to merit system and new rank requirements, only constructive users can earn merits and rank up to levels higher than Junior member rank.

Soon we are going to need a Meric Doctor for those addicted ones.
Merit has increased the mental illness some people used to have in the forum or it just more visible now?

Everything you need is in the op post of the forum, please read it first.
Do not post content like this, you will not have any merit at all

LOl, are you kidding?  It's rough even more older members!  It's an aggressive, competitive, sometimes mean-spirited forum, and I think that has a lot to do with how much scamming goes on here.  People get stick of having to constantly walk among pickpockets, and it makes them a bit prickly.

For noobs?  Yeah, it takes time to become established and it's hard.  Sometimes it seems as though most newcomers are just out to either scam or to post nonsense.  It's definitely harder on them, but most of them are deserving of whatever hazing they get.  Most, not all.

There's that phrase again.

And again.

And again. 

Well you will need to take the risks though , don't think that merit is a big hindrance , instead of thinking that it is a barrier or a wall to rank up think it as an motivation though.

One of the factors to get a merit is learn , read and be more useful , try to practice a constructive post something like that , be motivated though , think that its just a challenge that you will go through.

That is not an obstacle. Merit helps the bitcointalk community grow stronger. In the past, you just posted a lot of posts that you can increase your rankings in bitcointalk but now you need to post better quality posts to help get more people into your community instead of just posting activity spots. increase rankings.

In this forum, getting merit is not an easy thing. Condition you just have to make a quality post, constructive and useful for forums and users. Post quality is not only seen from the length and number of posts. Because the length is not equal to the quality.

It's very hard to earn some merit (for the newbie it's the most difficult), you should write good quality post, useful advice. On my mind if you do not know something very profitable, you do not get merit.

I think your forum name is important as well. :)

We should be thankful for the merit system. Its giving us us more time to read and educate our selves before posting. Quality post are skipped because we are aiming to get more higher profit in just a short time without respecting the rules of this furom.

Aim away from failures and success is continueous.

Don't you think, now you are spamming meta section by posting these posts.

Here is another thread you posted. Just stopped doing this.

I think it's not a hindrance if you know what you are doing , the true meaning of merit to build or to mold you / us to a better poster , to be help each and everyone of us. It shows us to read and to learn , here's a link read this though .

Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.0

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Of course it is, and this is why it was introduced. It is there in an attempt to stop users from gaining rank, and to make it easier for community members to  maintain the exchange of information, and to enter into discussions with like-minded friends.

The sooner we can get rid of the parasitical users, the better it will be for the genuine members of this great forum.

Yes it is a big hindrance to some users who wanted to level up or rank up , but you missing the point you should be thankful and instead of thinking that its a hindrance make it as a positive thoughts  to strive and work and read. It's not just by posting a constructive post it's how you influence the person you talking too or replying to. Merit shows us to be more helpful and by the way its a forum not just like copying and paste some one's answer , and just work hard.

because the implementation of the time is not appropriate ... those who already get a high rank delicious .. newbie newbie combine

To have quality posts and avoid spam people to increase the rank. If you want to merit you should write articles to help the community you will get merit for the effort that you spend  ;)

Incorrect. Users like you could spend 25 hours compiling a post and it may still be a shitpost.. shitposters gonna shitpost

Interest in the crypto world is the true basis if you want to rank up, not for higher paid bounty. We still have long way to sail mate, so we must prepare for the tide.

The sky is dark at night but light when the sun comes out, this is a bitcoin forum and not a story telling board. Talking of stories, last night I read to my son from the book BFG, BFG stands for Big Friendly Giant, Talking about Giants, this makes me remember that your posts are a Giant Load Of Horse Shit...

What type of a shitpost is this? ;D To avoid spam - people need to increase rank? OMG you are literally out of your mind. To have quality posts we need quality brains with a least amount of knowledge to comprehend what others say.

That sounds to me like the new trend people are following this days and I dont like it. Making new threads in meta about merit - irritates my eyes every time I visit the forum.

Also if you are referring to copy-pasting posts made by other sources then get ready to face the banhammer.

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Meritable posts would be concise and to the point and not walls of text which makes the readers eyes bleed and cause retinal detachment.

Agree with you, TheUltraElite.
If members don't qualified enought to compose high-quality threads (at least in terms of written-English), they will never earn merits.
Next step after skilled enough to make high-qualitied written-English threads, they should move their attentions to contents (in order to make real constructives ones).
Only (or mostly) constructive, helpful, high-qualitied threads can get merits.

Members like this just have literally no idea what they're writing.  They just throw the words/phrases 'profit', 'knowledge', 'campaign', 'trading', 'make a quality post', 'invest', 'increasing day by day', and for each shitty thread that asks a question which has been asked a million times in a million other threads, they go through the permutations and BLAM, another god-awful shitpost is created--and they get paid for it!

This is the laziest way to make money, and this is all done to the detriment of the forum.  Good posts have a 20-shitpost-thick layer of sandwiching on each side, and it's very hard to find those good posts.  And to top it off, each person who makes a post using those words/phrases probably has several dozen alt accounts all doing the same thing.  One would think that if a campaign is going to pay you money sufficient for you to live like a pimp (which is the case for campaigners who live in 3rd world countries) you'd put way more effort into actually writing something worth reading.  But nope, they're either too lazy or too ignorant to do so.  I suspect in most cases, it's a healthy dose of both.

Disagree with you, ilcapitano. You are a shitposter as well AFAIC.

You did not read the post that I made. Your English is broken vomitted 3rd world piece of scummy half-pooped from rectum shit. Dont expect to get any merits by licking my ass like this. I wont budge.

What exactly do you mean by "skilled"? You need to be skilled to make posts? I think this forum is the only one in the universe which needs "skills" to post according to shitposters like you. On other forums its always a friendly chitchat going on. And the only ones to blame is the shitposters.

Merits sources have become resistant to these methods of pseudo-merit begging. Just stop it.

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On another note I think this user is an alt of another person whom I have defamed a posts back. Trying to lick my ass, huh piece of shit.