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Title: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: NewLiberty on November 12, 2013, 07:00:38 AM
For all the hardware makers, this may be something to watch...
http://blog.smitec.net/posts/ex1-by-cartesian-co-3d-printing-circuits/


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: Peter Todd on November 12, 2013, 07:19:38 AM
I work as an electronics designer and I can tell you getting PCB's made is dead easy and cheap these days. There's lots of really cheap PCB manufacturers are out there with turn-key service for incredibly low prices - I routinely do projects where the one-off PCB is one of the cheapest parts even though it's custom and I'm only buying 2-3 of them. Good Bitcoin ASICs shouldn't need much routing, so you could probably even get away with 2 layer boards, and these days 4 layer isn't such a big deal. (which it doesn't look like that printer can do anyway)

The other issue is that for an ASIC implementation, indeed almost any serious circuit, having your PCB made out of a "conductive" 3d printed material just isn't good enough - you need real copper. Again, this is especially important for ASIC designs where you want actual copper to both get current into the chips efficiently, and conduct heat away.

Having said that if someone can add that conductive material to a fully 3d printer there's some really interesting uses for 3d circuits to solve all kinds of packaging problems; last I checked those applications are still being held back by the stupidly high cost of prototyping them. (it also doesn't help that the CAD tools are immature and expensive)


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: NewLiberty on November 12, 2013, 07:35:46 AM
Missing the implications...With this I can ring my water heater with ASICs had have an electric blanket to heat my pool.


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: Carlton Banks on November 12, 2013, 12:24:46 PM
I'll be more impressed once you can 3D print the ASIC chip... which isn't happening at all soon. But who knows, with the amount of hobbyists running ASIC miners out there, a one off customisation style of application for one of these might not be so far off. And it's a step on the road to homebrew cryptocurrency ASICs (and we'll need them when you look at the way the current goldrush market for Bitcoin ASICs is going)


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: haightst on November 12, 2013, 01:55:04 PM
i've been getting stock tips regarding this technology...interesting  8)


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: Ecurb123 on November 12, 2013, 05:43:36 PM
I don't know if it's going to be so great for ASIC making but in general I could see using it for small projects.


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: renaxi on November 12, 2013, 08:25:58 PM
If it where cheaper, like 300-500$ i did buy it. But for 1100$? No way..


Title: Re: 3d printing for circuits (!!) ASIC implementer's dream come true?
Post by: NewLiberty on November 12, 2013, 09:05:51 PM
If it where cheaper, like 300-500$ i did buy it. But for 1100$? No way..
No problem for you to wait for version 2 after the early adopters with the killer apps make their money with it first.