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I was really impressed with the job Anonymous did on HBGary Federal. Could they help to propagate Bitcoin? Could Anonymous find Bitcoin useful? Stupid question? We could always move the thread to off-topic and just talk about Anonymous.

Anonymous is headless, feel free to grab the flag and use it for your own means. Anonymous is just ideas and ideas are bulletproof. ;)

We are anonymous
We are legion
We do not forgive
We do not forget
Expect Us

not your personal army   :P

Just start making posts about Bitcoin on 4chan.

And get Skiddies and puberts here? No way! D:< We talked about it on IRC over a month ago about going to SKiddie(Aka "hacking") communities to promote this and decided it wasn't worth it. Skiddies can be easily convinced with "free money". Just get a bunch of Bitcoins buy bots(Known to them as "slaves" and give them cheaply for BTC.(Cheaper than what you bought them at counting on the historic high of Bitcoins)
At the same time do contests and give Bitcoins away. In no time they will be all over Bitcoin! This is flawless, though, with a need of a deep(100-1000) USD you are willing to basically give away to SKiddies. Also, not sure if buying bots constitutes an offense by itself. xD

^ Listen to that man. He is anonymous too! ^

They usually have good graphic cards, and it's all that matters.

Not really if any body(large organization or popular individual) attempts to attack Bitcoin it would bring tons of more GPU power to defend it since it would arrive at major news sources! If we surround ourselfs with this individuals that help might now come. I prefer to have a quality user rather than a road raging one. Better places to look would be Security Experts, FOSS and Libertarians/Anarchists, etc always keeping in mind quality. :)

What about challenging Anonymous to break Bitcoin. Such an effort could help developers find vulnerabilities and make Bitcoin stronger in the long run.

or lose all our coins  :-[

If there is a vulnerability it won't disappear just by hiding it under the carpet....

What might attract Anonymous to such a challenge? Perhaps a blurb on the ED article stating that not even Anonymous can break Bitcoin.

Why would they even care?

Unless there's lulz to be had, your challenge will be an utter failure.

We already know that a motivated attacker has several ways to screw with BitCoin. Asking people to break the production network isn't going to achieve anything other than hurting BitCoin, which we don't want, right?

True.

But we don't want a vulnerable currency either, right?

I had better spend all my btc before anony comes.

Otherwise what ?
Omg, they're gonna generate so much we're going to get so screwed.

Sometimes I don't understand how people can find so many reasons to be scared...

If someone fucks bitcoin up then good, means it wasn't strong after all.
If someone tries and fails then good ! Means it's strong.

Both outcomes are profit.

First, relax Dont take me so serious, the worst that could happen I think is we get more scammers.
Second, fuck you thats why! ( again joking)

No worries, some people have that tone AND are serious

You don't need to explain that, your resistance only makes me harder.

I get a boner every time I log on.

What doesn't kill it will make it stronger ... if word on the street was that Anonymous, NSA, Chinee Govt. attacked bitcoin and it didn't blink I think the value would appreciate after that.

As the man said if it fails it wasn't meant to be but we would know what not to do for the next one ... Evolution is bitch like that, only the strongest survive but also means cryptocoins are unstoppable since if not this time, then the next or the one after or the one after ... eventually a P2P cryptocoin will succeed, probably many of different flavours.

At this point it would be more prudent to encourage individual white hat hackers to try to break it privately. I would contribute coin to that.

I'm not a big fan of the try-to-break-it-but-be-gentle kind of approach.

Anonymous might be very rough.

But OK David, if you or anyone else exposes a problem that could cause coin loss between now and the end of February, I'll pay a hundred bitcoins.

... at which point the bitcoins will be worth less because of the exposed security breach, kind of no-skin-in-the-game bet?  ???

Put the prize up in a currency outside the system, like gold grams, and you'll have a bonafide incentive.

An exploit was previously exposed in Bitcoin. The exploit was fixed, then the network selected and propagated the branch of the block chain that didn't suffer from the exploit. The value of bitcoins didn't appear to change as a result.

There are several people on this forum who could break the prodnet tomorrow by flooding it with hundreds of small transactions that use up the networks CPU capacity and make it take forever to download the chain (so that many users just give up waiting).

There's no point in asking people to attack BitCoin at this point unless you restrict it to a very well defined set of rules. We want guys like Ross Anderson looking at BitCoin not some random "hacktivists".

Not true. There are fees for tiny amounts transactions and there is a maximum size limit for blocks.

Yes, but after exceeding the "free of charge" size of the blockchain wouldn't all transactions (also the genuine ones) have to pay the transaction fee? Such an attack could affect everyone resulting in only the attacker's transactions being included into the current block. Correct me if I am wrong.

What stage is it at exactly?

When it comes to protecting  people's private money in a wider marketplace there will be no rules period. Let alone a "well-defined set" of them.

Attack it and see if it should really be worthy of trading at parity with the fed. res funny money ... else it also is just funny money.

Anonymous is mostly people who don't know about IT and won't give a damn if they can't point their LOIC piece of shit at bitcoin :)

Each node mines for a different set of transactions, depending on the topology of the network.

I definitely disagree strongly with this point of view. I don't trust government run "stress tests" :)
What's the point of going up to hackers and be like : "ok guys, go for it, attack us, but please think inside the little box we defined for you"

Anyone could force everyone to pay transaction fees, that's true.
That wouldn't make only the attackers transaction get included, though. Those paying more fees would be included first.

What I wonder is if miners implement intelligent ways of discarding transactions if their transaction pools gets too big...

Probably not until tx fees become the main generation incentive.

The DoS risk is not merely about space in the block. There are several resources that can be exhausted, for instance you could consume all the networks CPU time more easily than filling up the blocks with garbage.

I might write up a wiki page or a longer post on this. The DoS problem is one that needs a lot more work.

I say go for it! Don't go after the SKiddies though, go for quality personas at HTS, SecurityFocus, and other Security specialist communities. 4Chan and SKiddie Forums can join later by indirect means. ;)

I actually found out about Bitcoin yesterday because Anonymous' website where they publish press releases had a "We accept Bitcoin donations" link.

I have my doubts as to Anonymous's productive capacity. Their capacity for comedic revenge is well proven.

I too have doubts that a collection of countless proactive and self motivated individuals with a history of action, acting within a loose set of rules whereas anyone may contribute as little or as much as one wishes at any time in any way towards any cause one finds worthy will achieve any productive capacity

Lulz


Awesome! Welcome. Bitcoin is right up your alley.  Be sure to hit anon news with some bitcoin love when you have some to share

I noticed that http://www.anonnews.org/ is accepting bitcoin donations.

anonnews accepts bitcoin donations http://www.anonnews.org/bitcoin.html

Get adding to: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bitcoin (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Bitcoin) !!!

Oh lord, I read that. So much mad in one article. And also...

>implying anonymous can actually break anything besides their anime pillow beat off toys

sorry

Actually, the fact is that I came across a thread on /g/ about Bitcoin and it raised my interest. I'd just gotten finished revamping some of my other systems as well as my main rig so I thought I'd give it a try.

I'm pretty much certain the influx of new people in the last couple of weeks has been due to anon.  I notice nobody's posting about it anymore on there though, likely trying to keep it on sort of the down-low? dunno.

I think this is encouraging, a bona fide bitcoin ridicule piece ... progress.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ... we are moving towards the second phase .... no?

You have a link? The thread on /g/ was mentioned in an update post but just led to a 4chan not found page.

I propose that a particular day each year is established in which currently existing Bitcoin community and enthusiasts collectively promote bitcoin throughout various locations (maybe both online and offline) and help to spread awareness through such efforts.  Any ideas for a particular date that seems worthy to establish for such efforts?

April 20th

Let's not pick Hitler's birthday.

Are you kidding me? Hitler would have loved Bitcoin!

Now http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Bitcoin

Anonymous/4chan/the youtube culture is mind numbingly retarded.

Worn out  memes and internet cliques do not a currency make. They just make you look bad by association.

*holds up spork* rofl xd

http://media.witcoin.com/p/1309/Hitler-Finds-Out-About-Bitcoin (http://media.witcoin.com/p/1309/Hitler-Finds-Out-About-Bitcoin)

Actually, the sad/amazing thing is that most memes originate from 4chan. The entire internet dances to their mind virus jig.

Wow a thread about Anonymous without CP... I'm happily surprised.

"Anonymous" is actually how I found out about bitcoin.

I am a hardcore redditor, and there was something about the hbgary hacking voted up to the top of reddit I believe...

In the top right corner of that page was a bitcoin donations button. I clicked it, and never looked back...