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Title: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kireinaha on November 14, 2013, 06:45:07 PM
According to the latest bitcoin graphs, we're currently on the 5th "impulse" wave of Elliot's theory on crowd sourcing market patterns. I'd say this is a pretty clear cut example of his theory in motion:

http://s11.postimg.org/jzb0ot4b7/ewb_01_spy5.png

http://s16.postimg.org/lox0nbq39/wave.jpg

As you can see, we will soon be entering the "corrective" phase. It's hard to say how far we'll drop, but I think we could easily dip below $200 again by this weekend. If you're on the fence about investing, I'd recommend you wait it out a few more days to see what happens.

http://s10.postimg.org/f0zcz7ua1/ewb_03_up8.png

I could be wrong, but predicting group think on a scale like this is reasonably effective.

Just my .0000002 BTC.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: BitchicksHusband on November 14, 2013, 06:47:57 PM
According to the latest bitcoin graphs, we're currently on the 5th "impulse" wave of Elliot's theory on crowd sourcing market patterns. I'd say this is a pretty clear cut example of his theory in motion:

http://s11.postimg.org/jzb0ot4b7/ewb_01_spy5.png

http://s16.postimg.org/lox0nbq39/wave.jpg

As you can see, we will soon be entering the "corrective" phase. It's hard to say how far we'll drop, but I think we could easily dip below $200 again by this weekend. If you're on the fence about investing, I'd recommend you wait it out a few more days to see what happens.

http://s10.postimg.org/f0zcz7ua1/ewb_03_up8.png

I could be wrong, but predicting group think on a scale like this is reasonably predictive.

Just my .0000002 BTC.

Well, in that case you should SELL ALL immediately.

For everyone else, they are probably better off looking at this thread instead:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=322058.0

At least compare both competing theories and decide which one has been supported by the previous data.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kehtolo on November 14, 2013, 07:03:14 PM
Hpmm. i've been looking at this too trying to understand Elliott wave since reading about them on the 'Analysis never ends' thread.


Anyway, there are rules. Wave 3 cannot be the shortest wave.

So, starting from where you did.. which is beginning of October (after the SR dip which can be seen in red to the left)
The 3rd wave would be shorter.
So it doesn't follow the rules.

If however, you begin your wave count around 1st November.. this follows the pattern.

Putting us in the 3rd (and longest) wave.

The rules say, the 4th (corrective) wave cannot retrace more than 100% of wave 1.

In other words, we won't dip below the height of wave 1. (this assumes of course we ARE following the Elliott pattern)

Also, expect wave 5 to be similar to wave 1.

My guess on the price. We are looking like starting wave 4 now. We dip down to around (Stamp prices) 370-380..
Then go back up again in wave 5 to around 480-490..
Gox will break 500.. and selling will take us back down into a new Elliott series.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: superduh on November 14, 2013, 07:08:18 PM
see my thread. if snapchat is "worth" 3 billion. twitter is "worth" 20 billion. then we have a long way to go..up!
the waves are bullshit anyways.
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.
you can't apply rigid models unto everything and expect them to work.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: ElectricMucus on November 14, 2013, 07:20:54 PM
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.

Penny stocks.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: proudhon on November 14, 2013, 07:42:49 PM
Among the lessons I've learned as I've watched the bitcoin market since early 2011:  Elliot Wave Theory is bullshit.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: noedaRDH on November 14, 2013, 07:48:22 PM
Using these theories to predict the Bitcoin market is like asking Galileo to predict the rise of Gangnam Style. It's all bullshit.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: seleme on November 14, 2013, 07:50:24 PM
Among the lessons I've learned as I've watched the bitcoin market since early 2011:  Elliot Wave Theory is bullshit.

Well, EW helped Lucif to sell on the top of 266 rally, to predict a bottom of some $60 in June and to call mass rally on October 13th.

Difference between Lucif and OP is that Lucif has a good history of good calls and that he thinks we're still in wave 3.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: ajax3592 on November 14, 2013, 07:52:57 PM
Can you estimate a  date range when BTC will fall below $300, I need to get my first 5-10 coins. I know we won't be getting it at that price again in future, so its the last chance.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kireinaha on November 14, 2013, 07:57:06 PM
Among the lessons I've learned as I've watched the bitcoin market since early 2011:  Elliot Wave Theory is bullshit.

Well, EW helped Lucif to sell on the top of 266 rally, to predict a bottom of some $60 in June and to call mass rally on October 13th.

Difference between Lucif and OP is that Lucif has a good history of good calls and that he thinks we're still in wave 3.

I don't see how we can be in wave 3 anymore, there's just too many dips and sideways movement. I can acknowledge that we might be in a "wave 6" correction phase followed by some small upward ticks, but wave 3... I just don't see that.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: Pruden on November 14, 2013, 08:01:08 PM

Well, EW helped Lucif to sell on the top of 266 rally, to predict a bottom of some $60 in June and to call mass rally on October 13th.

Difference between Lucif and OP is that Lucif has a good history of good calls and that he thinks we're still in wave 3.
Two of those calls had nothing to do with EW. For the 266 top, he said it was just a matter of liquidity relative to the size of his position, and for October 13th he only talked of broken triangles and Cup&Handle.

So much for EW.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: superduh on November 14, 2013, 08:50:38 PM
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.

Penny stocks.

thanks for an idiotic response that obviously makes no sense


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: superduh on November 14, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
Among the lessons I've learned as I've watched the bitcoin market since early 2011:  Elliot Wave Theory is bullshit.

go proundhound! ultra bull :D


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kireinaha on November 14, 2013, 09:07:52 PM
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.

Penny stocks.

thanks for an idiotic response that obviously makes no sense

I don't think that's a fair retort. Bitcoin is a speculation investment right now, much in the same nature as penny stocks. Digital currency itself is new (kind of) but speculation is as old as the hills, and the rise and fall of the current market euphoria we're in will be no different.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: xephyr on November 14, 2013, 09:15:10 PM
There is also a good case to be made that we are still in Elliott Wave 3:

https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btchart5.png

Wave three often extends wave one by a ratio of 1.618:1, so we could be close to the end of wave 3 now. Corrective wave 4 would not overlap wave 1 and is often less than 38% of wave 3, so a correction now from the high of 440 on MtGox would signal a strong buying opportunity between 260-300 USD on MtGox. Then wave 5 would extend the rally past todays' highs.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: superduh on November 14, 2013, 09:23:16 PM
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.

Penny stocks.

thanks for an idiotic response that obviously makes no sense

I don't think that's a fair retort. Bitcoin is a speculation investment right now, much in the same nature as penny stocks. Digital currency itself is new (kind of) but speculation is as old as the hills, and the rise and fall of the current market euphoria we're in will be no different.

speculative .....sure - everything in this world is speculative BUT bitcoin is not a "stock" at all. hence why i called it a completely idiotic response.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: BitchicksHusband on November 14, 2013, 09:29:46 PM
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.

Penny stocks.

thanks for an idiotic response that obviously makes no sense

I don't think that's a fair retort. Bitcoin is a speculation investment right now, much in the same nature as penny stocks. Digital currency itself is new (kind of) but speculation is as old as the hills, and the rise and fall of the current market euphoria we're in will be no different.

I'm still waiting for the "internet" euphoria and fall to happen.  Any day now...


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kireinaha on November 14, 2013, 09:34:06 PM
There is also a good case to be made that we are still in Elliott Wave 3:

https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btchart5.png

Wave three often extends wave one by a ratio of 1.618:1, so we could be close to the end of wave 3 now. Corrective wave 4 would not overlap wave 1 and is often less than 38% of wave 3, so a correction now from the high of 440 on MtGox would signal a strong buying opportunity between 260-300 USD on MtGox. Then wave 5 would extend the rally past todays' highs.

I was only measuring the current bull run that we're on, but if you're right that we're in wave three overall, that would be an unsettling thought, given that the Winklevoss twins believe we should be hitting $40,000 USD value per coin. I don't see how we could reach that if there's only wave 5 left to go.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: rampantparanoia on November 14, 2013, 09:34:16 PM
I'm still waiting for the "internet" euphoria and fall to happen.  Any day now...

it already happened with the invention of Facebook.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: RodeoX on November 14, 2013, 09:34:29 PM
Speculation is also called guessing and never involves proof. If the future price were provable every one with a calculator would be rich.
I'm not dis-ing you man. But I have seen hundreds of threads like this.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kireinaha on November 14, 2013, 09:35:40 PM
never once in history of humanity there has ever been an asset "Class" that is called bitcoin.

Penny stocks.

thanks for an idiotic response that obviously makes no sense

I don't think that's a fair retort. Bitcoin is a speculation investment right now, much in the same nature as penny stocks. Digital currency itself is new (kind of) but speculation is as old as the hills, and the rise and fall of the current market euphoria we're in will be no different.

I'm still waiting for the "internet" euphoria and fall to happen.  Any day now...

The Internet isn't an investment, it's a network of computers and routers  ::) I believe what you're thinking of is the dot com bust of the '90s.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: Xer0 on November 14, 2013, 09:36:13 PM
Analysts so: "Chart must follow Theroy X!" ... "No, it should follow by Theory Y!"

and Bitcoin just:
http://www.librarified.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing-dog.jpg


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: kireinaha on November 14, 2013, 09:40:06 PM
Analysts so: "Chart must follow Theroy X!" ... "No, it should follow by Theory Y!"

and Bitcoin just:
http://www.librarified.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing-dog.jpg

haha, you're right, it is kind of a crapshoot. I just think it's an interesting pattern and the market so far this afternoon has been indicating that we're hitting a lot of resistance around $430. In any case, there should be some bearish forecasts to counteract all the "going to da moon" bull commentary.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: rampantparanoia on November 14, 2013, 09:40:44 PM
the only time we escape trading boundaries is during the night (in the US), which is mid-day in China.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: Xer0 on November 14, 2013, 09:43:54 PM
Analysts so: "Chart must follow Theroy X!" ... "No, it should follow by Theory Y!"

and Bitcoin just:
http://www.librarified.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/i-have-no-idea-what-im-doing-dog.jpg

haha, you're right, it is kind of a crapshoot. I just think it's an interesting pattern and the market so far this afternoon has been indicating that we're hitting a lot of resistance around $430. In any case, there should be some bearish forecasts to counteract all the "going to da moon" bull commentary.
yean and every time the market does not give a single fork about what speculators, bulls or bears say  ;D
no matter what happens we are "wtf?" every time and still no one had really told the future yet  :D


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: notme on November 14, 2013, 10:03:22 PM
There is also a good case to be made that we are still in Elliott Wave 3:

https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btchart5.png

Wave three often extends wave one by a ratio of 1.618:1, so we could be close to the end of wave 3 now. Corrective wave 4 would not overlap wave 1 and is often less than 38% of wave 3, so a correction now from the high of 440 on MtGox would signal a strong buying opportunity between 260-300 USD on MtGox. Then wave 5 would extend the rally past todays' highs.

I was only measuring the current bull run that we're on, but if you're right that we're in wave three overall, that would be an unsettling thought, given that the Winklevoss twins believe we should be hitting $40,000 USD value per coin. I don't see how we could reach that if there's only wave 5 left to go.

Wave 5 is not the end.  After wave 5 comes the ABC corrective, and then we build a base before continuing with the next wave 1.  $40,000 may be be possible, but we won't get there in a straight line.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: BitchicksHusband on November 15, 2013, 01:33:06 AM
The Internet isn't an investment, it's a network of computers and routers  ::) I believe what you're thinking of is the dot com bust of the '90s.

Bitcoin isn't an investment, it's a network of computers and routers that replaces money.


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: djalexr on November 15, 2013, 02:43:14 AM
Quote
Bitcoin isn't an investment, it's a network of computers and routers that replaces money.

+1


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: MicroGuy on November 15, 2013, 02:44:51 AM
If you're on the fence about investing, I'd recommend you wait it out a few more days to see what happens.

Hey, nice charts! Yes, wait this out for another week and you can get back in for $250.00!  :D  ;D  :D


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: CryptStorm on November 15, 2013, 03:14:35 AM
Elliot wave theory is junk. I believe that even Elliot admitted as much later in his life. Get out of denial. (Proof inside)


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: Bitcoin BEAR on November 15, 2013, 03:30:46 AM
There is also a good case to be made that we are still in Elliott Wave 3:

https://axablends.com/merchants-accepting-bitcoin/btchart5.png

Wave three often extends wave one by a ratio of 1.618:1, so we could be close to the end of wave 3 now. Corrective wave 4 would not overlap wave 1 and is often less than 38% of wave 3, so a correction now from the high of 440 on MtGox would signal a strong buying opportunity between 260-300 USD on MtGox. Then wave 5 would extend the rally past todays' highs.

It's just too bad your wave 1 is actually a wave 3 and we are now nearing either the top of 5 (anywhere here to the moon), or the top of the 1st subwave of 5 in which case, 5 will still go to the moon. But when this tops, <250 is very possible and even (dare I say?) Double digits are also possible. Oh, and use log charts

Edit:
https://www.tradingview.com/x/le6owQfC/


Title: Re: We've Reached the Top (Proof Inside)
Post by: notthematrix on November 15, 2013, 03:37:32 AM
@Bitcoin BEAR

Well you mix an  bubble for a S-curve :)
watch this video to explain a S-curve.
so i see at max a small correction but not below the S curve....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHUPPYzzZrI


http://cdn.beurs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Bitcoin.png

A s-curve is a natural phenomenon witch only occur in  defined natural spaces , bitcoin is such a defined space,