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Title: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: brawdias on April 17, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: ahmadakbari on April 17, 2018, 10:49:49 PM
What's the problem with Telegram?
As far as I know the Russia will ban bitcoin in their country. They will block IP addresses. Why should it affect bitcoin price? The news is not related to bitcoin.
Also, how facebook regulations can affect the bitcoin price?



Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: eminemcookie on April 17, 2018, 11:17:07 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


I think you meant to say that bitcoin will be less influenced by governmental regulations than centralized entities such as facebook and telegram?

While your point has merit, it is also easily argued against. While bitcoin itself cannot be controlled or regulated, the users of it can be, governments instead will pass regulation on how much bitcoin someone can hold, what level of verification is needed, etc etc. In order for bitcoin to be truly free from the influences of regulation from a price point of view it would need for the community to be completely free of governments control, which sadly is not a reality.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: pocket_lck on April 17, 2018, 11:29:00 PM
Yes it's true I think so too, that Facebook will never be able to block bitcoin, and if they leave bitcoin he'll be sorry, and bitcoin prices will surely go up even without Facebook.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: bitcoinvestor on April 17, 2018, 11:33:33 PM
Facebook and google not ban bitcoin but they ban cryptocurrency related ads. It is not related to bitcoin. There are many ways to advertise. The biggest suporters are via from bounty in bitcointalk. It is very targeted market to spread out ICO. In the end, facebook and google ban effect nothing to bitcoin.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: brawdias on April 17, 2018, 11:39:30 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


I think you meant to say that bitcoin will be less influenced by governmental regulations than centralized entities such as facebook and telegram?

While your point has merit, it is also easily argued against. While bitcoin itself cannot be controlled or regulated, the users of it can be, governments instead will pass regulation on how much bitcoin someone can hold, what level of verification is needed, etc etc. In order for bitcoin to be truly free from the influences of regulation from a price point of view it would need for the community to be completely free of governments control, which sadly is not a reality.


Exactly what I meant! I understand now, the key thing is about users being regulated! Perfectly pointed out!


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: dollarneed on April 17, 2018, 11:45:26 PM
What's the problem with Telegram?
As far as I know the Russia will ban bitcoin in their country. They will block IP addresses. Why should it affect bitcoin price? The news is not related to bitcoin.
Also, how facebook regulations can affect the bitcoin price?


Maybe he means telegram is banned in some countries due to the government regulation, like in my country the government ban it because its decentralized nature and you know the government doesn't have access to this app as well as bitcoin.

Anyway it is hard for the government to ban bitcoin since people can use VPN if they blocked IP or something, there's also decentralized exchange so people can sell their bitcoin to cash, yeah there are so many alternative ways.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: dushanya on April 17, 2018, 11:49:28 PM
What are the similarities between Facebook and Bitcoin? How can Telegram or Facebook affect the course of bitcoin? In my opinion, these things are absolutely unrelated as well as the dollar rate is not connected with Facebook or Telegram


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: timerland on April 17, 2018, 11:52:59 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


I completely agree. The one thing that makes bitcoin so powerful is that it's different to all the rest of the payment processors. There is absolutely no central point of attack. Looking at what happened with Liberty Reserve, when the government tries to shut down a legitimate payment processor that was just not in their control, they were able to do so because of the fact that all the databases and servers are stored in one central location.

Bitcoin is different.

Right now, the regulatory pressures on bitcoin is mounting. But the maximum the government can do effectively to be honest is regulate the bitcoin exchanges. As more people realize this, panic dumps due to regulations will become smaller as smaller.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Mometaskers on April 17, 2018, 11:57:28 PM
I don't see any reason why these would automatically affect Bitcoins. These target ICOs which, let's admit it, has been used for a lot of scams. It might even have a positive effect in that people would just spend their money on Bitcoin rather than buy into some shady project.

Facebook and google not ban bitcoin but they ban cryptocurrency related ads. It is not related to bitcoin. There are many ways to advertise. The biggest suporters are via from bounty in bitcointalk. It is very targeted market to spread out ICO. In the end, facebook and google ban effect nothing to bitcoin.

I actually I feel like there was no ban. I still see a lot of cryptorelated ads on Youtube. Either Google didn't include it or a ban in Youtube is down the pipes.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: brawdias on April 18, 2018, 12:05:14 AM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


I completely agree. The one thing that makes bitcoin so powerful is that it's different to all the rest of the payment processors. There is absolutely no central point of attack. Looking at what happened with Liberty Reserve, when the government tries to shut down a legitimate payment processor that was just not in their control, they were able to do so because of the fact that all the databases and servers are stored in one central location.

Bitcoin is different.

Right now, the regulatory pressures on bitcoin is mounting. But the maximum the government can do effectively to be honest is regulate the bitcoin exchanges. As more people realize this, panic dumps due to regulations will become smaller as smaller.

That's why I like this forum, there is always someone willing to clarify your points. I knew I had something to begin with. Learning a lot here Thanks!


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: imyashir on April 18, 2018, 12:08:16 AM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


There are many spreading bad news that some are from governments. Bitcoin is RISKY to anyone who does not know cryptocurrency. Telegram is supported in cryptocurrency. Facebook or other social media they fight against ICO just as ICO is important to the world of crypto but we just need to be careful because there are also ICO scams that maybe people complain about ICO. This is what I noticed in the scammer they make ico after finshed the ico suddenly lose the entire team. So investigate before investing in ico ..


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Whibu on April 18, 2018, 12:18:37 AM
I believe that bitcoin prices can get through the news news or bad news that often happens though sometimes decreased but I believe prices will rise again and facebook also not too big to affect bitcoin prices.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: StarKay on April 18, 2018, 01:02:04 AM
The price of Bitcoin will continue to fluctuate as we have been seeing, bad news most times cause the price to decline.
I think your question is 'Will Bitcoin price be immune to bad news as time goes on?' My answer is mostly no because bad news affects people's confidence in the market negatively and they'll panic sell.
For example let's say Russia want to ban Bitcoin, most Russians will rush to sell their Hodlings before the deadline.
I hope you understand me well.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: eminemcookie on April 18, 2018, 10:33:57 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?


I think you meant to say that bitcoin will be less influenced by governmental regulations than centralized entities such as facebook and telegram?

While your point has merit, it is also easily argued against. While bitcoin itself cannot be controlled or regulated, the users of it can be, governments instead will pass regulation on how much bitcoin someone can hold, what level of verification is needed, etc etc. In order for bitcoin to be truly free from the influences of regulation from a price point of view it would need for the community to be completely free of governments control, which sadly is not a reality.


Exactly what I meant! I understand now, the key thing is about users being regulated! Perfectly pointed out!

Thank you for the recognition and I'm glad it helped your understanding. It's an interesting viewpoint because it's also not without possibility that the userbase that is being regulated can resist, privacy coins are often being used in such ways. The thing with that is even though those individuals may not be deterred, others will be and that's why there will always be some level of reduced use when there's further regulation. That is not to say that it can be outweighed by increased use for other reasons related to regulation.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: apelmerah on April 19, 2018, 01:17:57 AM
Social media as well as government is very influential on bitcoin prices but that is not entirely, and that is only a temporary decline and also bitcoin prices will again rise again.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Manoharachan on April 19, 2018, 01:26:11 AM
Facebook and telegram will not be able to affect the bitcoin price too deeply, because of the sophistication of the decentralized Blockchain technology that keeps the bitcoin price up.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: mustamin88 on April 19, 2018, 01:41:31 AM
One factor is the presence of news that seems to frighten Bitcoin users including geopolitical events and statements by the government that Bitcoin is likely to be regulated.
There are many headlines in finance and finance that generate fear to investors.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Pedcopresident on April 19, 2018, 05:41:16 AM
Theres nothing to be scared .the bitcoin have making his roots i really think that nothing can stop it from being use. Yes the government can try to regulate it but the only thing they can act on his the people identity and authenticity of the product people are offering like finding a way to avoid the scammer


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Kakmakr on April 19, 2018, 06:00:47 AM
I think governments realized that Social media is one of the most influential technologies of our time. We saw what happened when social media were used in the US elections. <Fake news went viral during the campaigning and social media were being used and manipulated to distort the truth and people's views>

These governments also knows that social media are used to mobilize people.  Just look at the role of social media in the Arab Spring, where they used that media to arrange revolutionary anti-government protests and demonstrations.

As a result these governments see social media as a threat and they will use their power to influence these large companies to stop disruptive and possible anti-government technologies from spreading. <Bitcoin and other Crypto currencies are being used by some people to circumvent government control and the governments will do anything in their power to stop that>


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: stompix on April 27, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
What's the problem with Telegram?
As far as I know the Russia will ban bitcoin in their country. They will block IP addresses. Why should it affect bitcoin price? The news is not related to bitcoin.
Also, how facebook regulations can affect the bitcoin price?


Source for this so call "ban" ?

Facebook and telegram will not be able to affect the bitcoin price too deeply, because of the sophistication of the decentralized Blockchain technology that keeps the bitcoin price up.

Decentralization or blockchain isn't a guarantee for the price, if it would be like that all coins will be worth thousands of dollars. Actually it's quite the opposite, being decentralized and driven by demand and offer there is no way to know for certain what value it's going to have tomorrow.

I actually I feel like there was no ban. I still see a lot of cryptorelated ads on Youtube. Either Google didn't include it or a ban in Youtube is down the pipes.


It's going to start in June.
https://support.google.com/adwordspolicy/answer/7648803?hl=en&ref_topic=29265
Or at least for google related services.
I don't know what the situation is with Facebook as I don't use it that much but I would love to hear they are monitoring the bounty section on bitcointalk and banning all spammers ;D




Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Veterock on May 07, 2018, 07:59:59 AM
What's the problem with Telegram?
As far as I know the Russia will ban bitcoin in their country. They will block IP addresses. Why should it affect bitcoin price? The news is not related to bitcoin.
Also, how facebook regulations can affect the bitcoin price?



At the moment they don't plan to block bitcoin, as i know. They've blocked only Telegram. At least they try))


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: taranbam on May 24, 2018, 09:50:36 AM
These are just ridiculous attempts to block anything, and the telegram calmly bypasses them all. I think there is no reason for panic.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: ondabeat on May 24, 2018, 10:29:11 AM
I think your question is 'Will Bitcoin's price be immune to bad news over time?' My answer is mostly not because bad news affects people's confidence in the market negatively and they will panic sell, For example, let's say Russia wants to ban Bitcoin, most Russians will rush to sell their Hodlings before the deadline.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: LangleyMccarty on May 28, 2018, 10:52:47 AM
Yes the government can try to regulate it but the only thing they can act on his the people identity and authenticity of the product people are offering like finding a way to avoid the scammer


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: bhabygrim on May 28, 2018, 10:56:35 AM
Bad news could affect the price only if the weak hands believes it,
But facebook banning crypto currency promotion on their site it wouldn't really affect too much in crypto,
Crypto currency could be promoted in different social media and different ways the internet is too big and crypto is using it.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: bitfocus on May 28, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
as Bitcoin is being used as Investment (not as currency) right now, it automatically adopts some common features like a regular stock type item. And trust me, people go crazy over any good investment, they bet all their money just being allured by the news and influenced by online or local influencers. then when anything bad spreads about that particular investment, they always panic and sell at the lowest to save "Some of The Money" the invested. Sharks and Scammers take that chance and manipulate the markets.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: carlisle1 on May 28, 2018, 11:19:30 AM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?

Yes i hope you can explain your point clearly because the truth is we cant understand what you really means

Bitcoin has been banned from many countries but still the price grows,being banned by social media sites but still grows,so what is facebook compared to all of this?cant bitcoin survive them all?ofcourse bitcoin can


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Zeddyn on May 28, 2018, 11:24:25 AM
It's true that bitcoin can be affected by bad news about Facebook's ban because bitcoin has always been badly affected by bad news with big economies.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: bitcoinerjawa on May 28, 2018, 11:26:40 AM
I do not really believe in some bad news that is trying to attack bitcoin prices, with bad news many people panic, you should be a trader player can take advantage of such moments to buy as much as you can.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: Dexion on May 28, 2018, 12:17:16 PM
I think bitcoin is different from facebook and telegram. facebook and telegram do not pose a threat to the world.
even after it was analyzed that facebook and telegram did not have a great effect on the stability of the world.

but different from bitcoin. bitcoin can threaten all sectors of politics, economy, health, and even threaten every aspect of world order.

therefore the bitcoin will not be affected by the geopolitical issue, because bitcoin is not in that pathway.

but I'm sure, that bitcoin will passing through government bans in different ways from facebook and telegram.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: stayeduptolate on May 31, 2018, 12:19:01 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?

All the governments have the right to ban anything from their nation and the same is with bitcoin too. There are few countries that has banned the use of crypto currencies in their nation but the point is that they can ban the use of crypto currencies from their nation only they cannot stop a person from owning a bitcoin, he is always eligible for transacting bitcoin from any international exchanges and illegalisation of bitcoin from any country obviously will effect the valuation of bitcoin.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: nmax21 on May 31, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
Do you guys believe that bitcoin will fluctuate less due to bad news?

Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
I hope I was able to explain my point.

What do you guys predict?



Bitcoin hesitates not because of news, but because of manipulation. And this "bubble" will burst quite soon, because it brings huge money to manipulators.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: machineskill on July 04, 2018, 08:32:48 AM
If you are asking that bitcoins price will drop by bad news; then i will say YES,it will. cause buying and selling btc is depend on news circulating all over the world such as india banning btc, regulation on btc, supreme court decision on  this date.This things rally effect the market.maximum time a lot of people loose their money being effected by these news.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: acheampong64 on July 16, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
Just like Facebook  can pass government regulations, as well as telegram did today, I belive Bitcoin and descentralized technology won't be affected by such attempts and people will realize that. Therefore, leading to less sudden drops.
It seems the digital world and the government or regulators always have something to discuss. By the way Facebook's issue with the government was quite different from Bitcoin's.  To me, they just hate Bitcoin for no strong reason, it's just te hate, but as you said we'll win at the end.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: beivleveinsomeone on July 18, 2018, 07:44:56 AM
How can facebook affect how bitcoin price? While your point of merit, it is easy to argue against. To the bitcoin really not affected by regulation from a price point of view it would be necessary for the community to be completely free of government control, which sadly is not a reality.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: renata.tuncha@ex.ua on July 18, 2018, 12:36:12 PM
I know that there is no problem with Telegram till now for sure and actually using Telegram I found out about one project Socratus.
I really like their concept - a platform for insurance companies that was created in order to make the communication between customer and insurance company more convenient and simple. It helps to get read of annoying personal meetings and paper work. With this ecosystem, companies will be able to cut operating costs, create new insurance products, deal with data analysis more efficiently and many other benefits.


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: ClaudiaWerfel on August 13, 2018, 05:07:06 PM
I agree with this opinion I believe bitcoin will come back stronger


Title: Re: Lessons from Facebook and the attempted shutdown of Telegram
Post by: swissgang on August 13, 2018, 05:19:05 PM
I think bitcoin differs a lot from such companies like telegram and facebook, it is very different entity that we have not known before.