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Title: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: sihat on April 18, 2018, 08:34:43 AM
Hi,
 There are many academic paper available for Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency in Conference and Journal. However, when I read those papers it takes days and weeks to understand what the author trying to convey and only about 10 - 20% of those paper one can refer to youtube presentation. If we look at citation index on some paper we see wow! 100+ . I sure many researcher have read it but there is no sub-forum for this.
Most of the technical details especially academy details are scattered here and there in this bitcointalk.org.

I would like to ask is there any discussion forum /website for these whether student can ask question on specific papers. Is it possible to create one sub forum just for these. This may also lead to a more focus discussion among the academician.
example posting.

Title:"Title of the paper"
Content: What problem it trying to solve?
Solution:
Pending Problem:
Remarks:

 
It really pain in the ash reading tons of paper alone.
I 'm looking for collaborative effort in understanding some key papers.
some author are too busy with their work normally may only give a brief respond to queries for their paper.



Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: legendster on April 19, 2018, 11:11:31 AM
While the this board itself along with the minning board used to have a ton of these technical discussions. But now it's pretty hard to find good content like that.
Unless you're willing to dedicate a few weeks to the cause yourself.

However I am in the process of developing a project of my own where a sub forum for this exact cause will be present. Message me in a couple of months and maybe I'd have something more concrete to share.


Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: sihat on April 24, 2018, 07:27:35 AM
great! I wait for your reply. if no reply, i will pester you in few month time again.
I think we need to put some structure in place in this forum so that it can be easily search.


in this way, at least 1/2 of the work is done. I will upload all my write-up result from my understanding of each paper I have read.
Whether there is any reply for each paper read is does not matter, at least people can search the paper title and read the easily written narrative. In long run, researcher who read research paper will comment on it directly.



Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: buwaytress on April 26, 2018, 05:58:59 AM
A sub forum for academia is a really good idea, especially if it doesn't exclude non-engineering types, I suspect your desire is for technical aspects of whitepapers be broken down for layman consumption.

Think you might find more than a few people would be suportive of that idea, but you might have trouble finding the balance between toning down on technical complexity and simple comprehension, while maintaining quality.



Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: tokrexOrg on April 28, 2018, 10:24:03 PM
i see. what exactly is your challenge to read the papers? mostly abstract algebra is used.. if u are a developer u need to read some books about cryptography and algebra first to understand its language. developers tend to think in algorithmic. abstract algebra is more conceptional and more efficient for system design, but abstract. anyway, your idea is great :D


Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: sihat on May 03, 2018, 08:15:16 AM
TQ for your supports.
technical details on white paper is ok , I still can digest. But those paper in journal + conference, paper published . hell difficult to understand.
when they start with section 3, how their protocol work. etc. Things start to be exponentially difficult.

1st desire: make search more easy. Search by paper Title or White Paper Title:
all topic related to that paper is discussed. Currently, we have to spend time searching from forum to forum, posting to posting.

2nd desire: Many may have already read some specific papers and can comment directly here without searching elsewhere. Put a system in place.

3rd: Author who want more citation can explain their paper better, argue their dispute, clarify doubts in their paper in a sub forum "If and only if " such facility is available.

4th: I understand not many audience other than academician cause many people simply disinterested in complex things.

lastly : my maths sucks.! I already spend much time patching it up, we spend more time on it. SOme paper are so dense with information, making it hard to digest.



Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: etherixdevs on May 03, 2018, 09:42:10 AM
You are right 100%
I personally helped in some white papers recently with less "technical" details and more "mass -oriented" information.

Academic language is not the key to open the doors to anyone.

I would like to see a more simplified section in bitcointalk.org too for passionate newbies


Title: Re: Help in understanding academic Bitcoin Paper in Conference/Journal
Post by: sihat on May 04, 2018, 02:07:46 AM
if we can get approval for a sub-forum
Bitcoin Forum > Bitcoin > Development & Technical Discussion > Academic Paper>
Then I volunteered to be the moderator.
The title of each topic must start with the exact name of the published paper to enable quick search.  "Unpublished work" I think better send to conference for expert review or other sub-forum.

E.g. CoinShuffle: Practical Decentralized Coin Mixing for Bitcoin 
Followed by author name etc.

Limitation: Discussion is limited /related to the title of the paper only. Unrelated comment may be deleted.

target for reader/audience: When they read the comment given by the topic,  they can speed up their understand on a particular paper.

In this way, audience and find out each academic contribution and how is it related to bitcoin/altcoin implementation or proposal.

A sub forum for academia is a really good idea, especially if it doesn't exclude non-engineering types, I suspect your desire is for technical aspects of whitepapers be broken down for layman consumption.

Think you might find more than a few people would be suportive of that idea, but you might have trouble finding the balance between toning down on technical complexity and simple comprehension, while maintaining quality.