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Title: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 18, 2018, 09:43:23 PM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ? OR, whatever is the result, bad or good, you would stay with the same approach ?


Here is the example of a clairvoyant approach from a 13 year clairvoyant person who have been through the mathematical/artificial intelligence for 25 years....

https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 18, 2018, 10:16:44 PM
So after several very well hit psychic prediction including bitcoin krach from January....  see the price prediction for Bitcoin, Etherum, ADA, and Monero....in this link https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com      surprising !

What is your point of view ?



Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: LeGaulois on April 18, 2018, 10:48:56 PM
Let's be honest, this is YOUR website. Of course, you can say whatever but when someone visits the comment section and read the comments he can see the website is your.

Let's suppose there is really someone who practice mediumship, ouija boards or whatever, don't you think he could at least use something else than a free website platform than Wix.com? After all, if he is able to make accurate predictions it should not be a financial problem to buy something more professional?
I hope you're not turning the site in a charlatan-swindler or mountebank website for quackery or some similar confidence trick to obtain money from innocent people with psychic information


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: grimesrhymes on April 18, 2018, 10:55:20 PM
I think either approach is incorrect. You should not be taking an approach just because it works in the past nor should you do something repeatedly if it's shown not to work. You should always be iterating and making adjustments to your approach. If something does not work you should consider if it was bad luck or the wrong approach and that's where you should then make adjustments if necessary.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: chaoscoinz on April 18, 2018, 10:58:20 PM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ? OR, whatever is the result, bad or good, you would stay with the same approach ?


Here is the example of a clairvoyant approach from a 13 year clairvoyant person who have been through the mathematical/artificial intelligence for 25 years....

https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com
The future is not set within stone. A medium/soothsayer/mystic/psychic will only augur/predict/read a forsee-able potential future, not a definite scenario.

For example: If you went to see a psychic, and they tell you," you will find your soulmate on a Caribbean cruise ship during your vacation next week." and you decide not to go, then you have avoided a "potential future".
    You need basic logic and reasonable deduction skills, in order to make a rational decision. The analytical approach is the safest bet in comparison with the other. Remember, men lie, women lie, but numbers don't!


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 18, 2018, 11:01:14 PM
I think either approach is incorrect. You should not be taking an approach just because it works in the past nor should you do something repeatedly if it's shown not to work. You should always be iterating and making adjustments to your approach. If something does not work you should consider if it was bad luck or the wrong approach and that's where you should then make adjustments if necessary.

Interesting... but you could indefinitely adjust on something wrong, isn't it ?.... what about working any approach with large number of events OR very low probability events with a smaller number .....to validate any approach... (same thing used for Artificial intelligence validation...


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 18, 2018, 11:04:00 PM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ? OR, whatever is the result, bad or good, you would stay with the same approach ?


Here is the example of a clairvoyant approach from a 13 year clairvoyant person who have been through the mathematical/artificial intelligence for 25 years....

https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com
The future is not set within stone. A medium/soothsayer/mystic/psychic will only augur/predict/read a forsee-able potential future, not a definite scenario.

For example: If you went to see a psychic, and they tell you,
 " you will find your soulmate on a Caribbean cruise ship during your vacation next week."
and you decide not to go, then you have avoided a "potential future".
It's basic logic and reasonable deduction need to make a rational decision.

Very true !... In the case you described (seeing a medium/psychic)!
But...what about predicting a horse winner at a race.... then it is not influenced by anything, you are not influencing anything, isn't it?


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 18, 2018, 11:06:40 PM
Let's be honest, this is YOUR website. Of course, you can say whatever but when someone visits the comment section and read the comments he can see the website is your.

Let's suppose there is really someone who practice mediumship, ouija boards or whatever, don't you think he could at least use something else than a free website platform than Wix.com? After all, if he is able to make accurate predictions it should not be a financial problem to buy something more professional?
I hope you're not turning the site in a charlatan-swindler or mountebank website for quackery or some similar confidence trick to obtain money from innocent people with psychic information

I do not understand these comments on the free or not web site and who is behind the site.... it is a paid website, and I do not see where it is hidden that I am behind it.

I am doing something free, free and free..... about REAL clairvoyance !!.... so what is your point ?!?

I did ask a real question about behavior of true clairvoyance approach versus analytical prediction, and results compares to results....  but maybe your non-answer is indicative of the total defiance of people about something they do not understand... and I understand it is tough to open to something we do not understand...


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: dothebeats on April 19, 2018, 11:38:23 AM
And why do we need to mix-up psychic abilities and shits with investing again? Does it yield any interesting results that are really concrete and not some lucky happenstance? No? Then why practice it? Anyone can claim that their success is due to this 'clairvoyant' approach, but how effective is it really? Does it provide anything superior from an sensible analytical approach? Why risk money on something that has a high probability of not working? Too many questions, but honestly you've only read too much Nostradamus' predictions and shit.

Btw, nice website.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: grimesrhymes on April 19, 2018, 10:28:36 PM
I think either approach is incorrect. You should not be taking an approach just because it works in the past nor should you do something repeatedly if it's shown not to work. You should always be iterating and making adjustments to your approach. If something does not work you should consider if it was bad luck or the wrong approach and that's where you should then make adjustments if necessary.

Interesting... but you could indefinitely adjust on something wrong, isn't it ?.... what about working any approach with large number of events OR very low probability events with a smaller number .....to validate any approach... (same thing used for Artificial intelligence validation...


You could, but the premise is to always make the best decision with the information you have at hand. After the event you can evaluate that decision and iterate to make improvements on future decisions. I understand the idea that just because something turns out bad does not mean it was the wrong decision, you face this all too often in gambling and trading isn't too far different but it is quite different in that you must be constantly evaluating your decisions and choice making process because the environment you are working within is never static.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: Jating on April 20, 2018, 01:37:28 AM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ? OR, whatever is the result, bad or good, you would stay with the same approach ?


Here is the example of a clairvoyant approach from a 13 year clairvoyant person who have been through the mathematical/artificial intelligence for 25 years....

https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com

I always blows off my coffee reading this thread. What the hell do clairvoyant prediction can do here? Do they actually see the future and what would be the price? I doubt it.

I'm never a fan of this so called psychic predictions, hell even a TA will always be a miss because the market is really 'unpredictable'. Regarding your question about the result: for me as long as it effective and giving you good results then I will stick to that approach. if aint broke dont fix it.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: abayan on April 20, 2018, 02:13:01 AM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ? OR, whatever is the result, bad or good, you would stay with the same approach ?


Here is the example of a clairvoyant approach from a 13 year clairvoyant person who have been through the mathematical/artificial intelligence for 25 years....

https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com


Oh this is quite new and interesting! Well I would go for the the analytical approach because I believe that whatever result will come out from it, that means that it has enough evidence, well tested and have pattern before it had been created.
For the clairvoyant, I would have to say that I do not really believe in that .


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: fabiorem on April 20, 2018, 02:22:25 AM
This ADA prediction is tempting...


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: Lovecove on April 20, 2018, 02:28:26 AM
LOL I went through this thread wondering if it was real, and sadly it is :D

If your psychic clairvoyant method were really true and really worked... I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be spending time with it on something like crypto, where it's really not necessary. A little bit of research will yield you a lot more gains.

But if you truly were able to predict the future, then you would have better payouts doing things like the lottery or horse racing or even a casino. There you get an insane amount of cash for the same exact predictions.

But then again... your method is...  :D



Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: stompix on April 21, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
I am doing something free, free and free..... about REAL clairvoyance !!.... so what is your point ?!?

Very true !... In the case you described (seeing a medium/psychic)!
But...what about predicting a horse winner at a race.... then it is not influenced by anything, you are not influencing anything, isn't it?

Ok ,  with 13 years in clairvoyance and 25 in artificial intelligence...(since 1993, right?), if you are that good at getting winners in horse racing here's a test for you:

Next Saturday there are a couple of pretty interesting grade 1 and 2 races in the UK and Ireland.
Pick the winners in those 3:

https://www.racinguk.com/racecards/sandown-park/167299-bet365-gold-cup-handicap-chase-grade-3-1
https://www.racinguk.com/racecards/punchestown-ireland/167431-aes-champion-four-year-old-hurdle-grade-1
https://www.racinguk.com/racecards/punchestown-ireland/167780-ballymore-handicap-hurdle-grade-b

Three days are probably more than enough for a guy/girl with that much experience, I'm sure of it.
So you could call the winners BEFORE the race is finished, right?

After all you claimed to have done this in the past with 100% accuracy.

PS.
I've taken a screenshot of your website, just to make sure you don't go and post some "predictions" after the events are finished.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 10:51:23 PM
I am doing something free, free and free..... about REAL clairvoyance !!.... so what is your point ?!?

Very true !... In the case you described (seeing a medium/psychic)!
But...what about predicting a horse winner at a race.... then it is not influenced by anything, you are not influencing anything, isn't it?

Ok ,  with 13 years in clairvoyance and 25 in artificial intelligence...(since 1993, right?), if you are that good at getting winners in horse racing here's a test for you:

Next Saturday there are a couple of pretty interesting grade 1 and 2 races in the UK and Ireland.
Pick the winners in those 3:

https://www.racinguk.com/racecards/sandown-park/167299-bet365-gold-cup-handicap-chase-grade-3-1
https://www.racinguk.com/racecards/punchestown-ireland/167431-aes-champion-four-year-old-hurdle-grade-1
https://www.racinguk.com/racecards/punchestown-ireland/167780-ballymore-handicap-hurdle-grade-b

Three days are probably more than enough for a guy/girl with that much experience, I'm sure of it.
So you could call the winners BEFORE the race is finished, right?

Let me correct first... I used Artificial intelligence in markets...I am doing research with it on horse racing but do not get the result I am looking for at the moment.
About the site I did, as it is written I put only what I think has the best accuracy. About psychic horse racing which I am doing the result is about 24/25% of the time I get the winner (out of an average of probably more than 12 runners)
I have never claim to be 100% accurate !!! The only question is : does true psychic abilities able to have an accuracy % and mathematical edge better than other kind of analytical analysis ? That's it !
I have and still doing mathematics, Artificial intelligence and clairvoyance research/study/testing.
You are expecting to find 3 winners out of 3 races, that is not serious!.... I have already have a streak as having 4 winners out of 4 races ( and not 2/1 odd !)... but as I said my rate is 24/25% and not 100%.  ( that's enough to get a good mathematical edge and win... I dream to increase my accuracy to 30/35% edge which would lead to a big mathematical edge and with the right money management enough to make a killing very fast.... if you know about Kelly criterium game theory.

I have been having hours of psychic info per day coming for 3,5 years... now it is different. .... it comes sometimes ( and not on demands) but with better accuracy.

For cryptos, it has been very accurate... why much more accurate on cryptos than horse racing ?...I do not know!


"I've taken a screenshot of your website, just to make sure you don't go and post some "predictions" after the events are finished."

I love that !... I presume then , you will be honest about what you are reporting about... and again I never claim to be 100% accurate.   I have been 20 years ago 42 % accurate on systematic trading and making a lot .....      (making obviously more on the winning trades than on the losing ones...)

Last thing, I have done this web site for me... I pay for it and get nothing out of it as it is FREE.... my goal is to succeed for myself... and let people interested in these predictions to profit from it under their own responsibility.
For me it's just an experiment, I did not start clairvoyance with that and will not stop it with that.... I am a researcher and take whatever is the tool giving me the best results, and always keep the research to increase my accuracy whatever I am using... The best opportunity for me right now is clairvoyance.... 

About testing, I have already taken the risk and  keep doing it, of writing publicly globally very precise predictions, so you have everything on the site to come back to me and throw it at my face when I will be wrong.... and I guaranty you I will be wrong... BUT be honest as judging the global results and not just one or two....

I started to put Football World Cup prediction.... Let's see... the 5-0 score of Russia-Saudi has 98% of being wrong (analytically)...
the Monero 5000 $ for the end of the year .... is difficulty believable to me analytically...
etc....    So you have many opportunity to prove me wrong... and be happy because if I am wrong I will lose money as on the contrary of many predictors either psychic or analytic, I put my money where my mouth is ....

By the way I would have propose a test also to any claiming psychic, but with more events and given room for errors.... but even with the errors making the strike of events with a very low probability of happening.... almost always these psychics are honest but delusional on probabilities and thinks they have something better than pure randomness, but they are just experimenting deviation from random means.....

Again I am doing my thing and make it publicly with no advantage except sharing to anyone in the world who wants to look at it and do whatever he/she wants about it....

Thanks for this exchange about this topic.





 



 



 








 



Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:06:02 PM
LOL I went through this thread wondering if it was real, and sadly it is :D

If your psychic clairvoyant method were really true and really worked... I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be spending time with it on something like crypto, where it's really not necessary. A little bit of research will yield you a lot more gains.

But if you truly were able to predict the future, then you would have better payouts doing things like the lottery or horse racing or even a casino. There you get an insane amount of cash for the same exact predictions.

But then again... your method is...  :D




LOL same mistake lots of people who have not been clairvoyant are thinking about how it works....   
Why do you think clairvoyant are 100% accurate ???... I have never met one !! some thinks they are, but are fully delusional...

And being clairvoyant on one topic doesn't mean you are clairvoyant for all topics...  it depends of alignment of belief between conscious desire and unconscious ones and demands a lot of energy to achieve on a topic something of value... years of work...
So about horse racing..yes I practice it for some time. Lottery, I do not think I have the unconscious alignment for that. Casinos... it goes too fast, too much noise to get the inside focus state to get a true information in my case...
Cryptos... it comes to me in October for 3 days and it was bothering me as I did not believe at that time in something backed by nothing... ( being more a gold bug)....  but everything I got on since cryptos was really pretty accurate ...

If what I got on cryptos ADA, Monero...for the end of the year, is exact then do not worry about more gains for me...  but if you got another idea to make more, my ears are opened (forget lottery and casinos in my case...)


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:08:30 PM
This ADA prediction is tempting...

ADA is my biggest investment on cryptos...


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:15:40 PM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ? OR, whatever is the result, bad or good, you would stay with the same approach ?


Here is the example of a clairvoyant approach from a 13 year clairvoyant person who have been through the mathematical/artificial intelligence for 25 years....

https://www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com


Oh this is quite new and interesting! Well I would go for the the analytical approach because I believe that whatever result will come out from it, that means that it has enough evidence, well tested and have pattern before it had been created.
For the clairvoyant, I would have to say that I do not really believe in that .

But how a technical analysis is tested ? It is through a high number of events, to see the level of accuracy over time...  So, isn't the same thing for clairvoyance IF tested over a high enough number of events in comparaison to standard deviation from randomness ?
Would you believe it if you were able to test it with enough events or even if it pass the test you have some kind of reluctance to use something that works but you do not understand ? This is the same thing for Artificial Intelligence, we use it and get a result that works but we are unable to explain the formula we find , even to understand it.
Thanks for your honest opinion, I appreciate.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:17:21 PM
I think either approach is incorrect. You should not be taking an approach just because it works in the past nor should you do something repeatedly if it's shown not to work. You should always be iterating and making adjustments to your approach. If something does not work you should consider if it was bad luck or the wrong approach and that's where you should then make adjustments if necessary.

Interesting... but you could indefinitely adjust on something wrong, isn't it ?.... what about working any approach with large number of events OR very low probability events with a smaller number .....to validate any approach... (same thing used for Artificial intelligence validation...


You could, but the premise is to always make the best decision with the information you have at hand. After the event you can evaluate that decision and iterate to make improvements on future decisions. I understand the idea that just because something turns out bad does not mean it was the wrong decision, you face this all too often in gambling and trading isn't too far different but it is quite different in that you must be constantly evaluating your decisions and choice making process because the environment you are working within is never static.

Thanks for your view.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:21:13 PM
And why do we need to mix-up psychic abilities and shits with investing again? Does it yield any interesting results that are really concrete and not some lucky happenstance? No? Then why practice it? Anyone can claim that their success is due to this 'clairvoyant' approach, but how effective is it really? Does it provide anything superior from an sensible analytical approach? Why risk money on something that has a high probability of not working? Too many questions, but honestly you've only read too much Nostradamus' predictions and shit.

Btw, nice website.

I appreciate your view. I do not read Nostradamus, I have clairvoyance abilities that I worked on for many years and tested me again and again and again and always researching to increase my accuracy level...
I am just sharing freely what I got...

Thanks for your comments.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: pitiflin on April 21, 2018, 11:24:27 PM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ?
This is the one. There you go. That's what I tend to do most of the times. But what a good trader should actually do is that he should make the best of his loss. If he is in a loss for example, he must find a way to make that loss a profit. Or he shouldn't get a loss in the first place but that would be really hard to establish.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:28:19 PM
End of the year 2018 :

Btc : 50,000$
ETH : 10,000$
ADA : 5$
Monero: 5000$

The probability of that happening is low today...

Let's see...


Adjustement will be made real time on the www.theclairvoyantinvestor.com


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 21, 2018, 11:38:44 PM
What is your opinion on clairvoyant prediction about futures prices versus analytical/fundamental prediction ?

Do you go for : whatever it is as long as  the results are good ?
This is the one. There you go. That's what I tend to do most of the times. But what a good trader should actually do is that he should make the best of his loss. If he is in a loss for example, he must find a way to make that loss a profit. Or he shouldn't get a loss in the first place but that would be really hard to establish.

On the same page, not dogmatic for or against one or the other approach, just pragmatic. If it works, accept the loss period and keep on... the key is does it work in the long run or not.
Thanks for your comment.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: Kim Ji Won on April 22, 2018, 03:20:20 AM
The fact is, with either approach, people tend to predict the movement of the market many times up until now so the chances of them hitting the correct one are high. But if I were to choose, I'd say the analytical approach is better for me rather than a clairvoyant approach because the analytical approach has a basis on their predictions compared to a clairvoyant one.


Title: Re: Clairvoyant approach versus analytical in investment decision taking on Cryptos.
Post by: StephaneM on April 22, 2018, 09:35:44 AM
The fact is, with either approach, people tend to predict the movement of the market many times up until now so the chances of them hitting the correct one are high. But if I were to choose, I'd say the analytical approach is better for me rather than a clairvoyant approach because the analytical approach has a basis on their predictions compared to a clairvoyant one.

I agree with you on the first point you make, very true. You can see I got psychic info both side...which is reassuring to me concerning your point.

I do not understand your last point about analytical has a basis and not the clairvoyant approach, for 2 reasons :
1- any analytical approach has to be tested over large number of data to get validated ( and people in general underestimate what is large number...) so it is the same thing with clairvoyant approach ( you can not appreciate the validity based on 10 or 20 predictions... that means nothing one way or the other....)

2- Artificial intelligence is the same for me than clairvoyance, in the sense that in both case your analytical mind is unable to understand the result. Using AI means to get at the end a "magical formula" you can not understand, but that is the beauty of it... you are researching in a much larger universe the solution, beyond the small human understanding.... the same for clairvoyance. In both case you still have to really test it with large number of events to defy randomness, to acknowledge you are on something.
So why limiting yourself only to tools you do understand ? why not expanding to a larger universe of what you do not understand but can test truly ?