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Title: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: TKeenan on November 16, 2013, 05:15:59 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Seccour on November 16, 2013, 05:22:20 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 

Time to Fork Dollar.

Dollar1 can go on with the outlaws who want to sell drogues and illegal things. Dollar2 can be use for buy and sell good things in an orderly society.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Birdy on November 16, 2013, 05:23:12 PM
I don't think a fork is healthy for Bitcoin, so we shouldn't strive for it.
Every owner of Bitcoins would have equally much Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2 and could dump the ones he doesn't like on the market.
Add the confusion that will spread (do they trade Bitcoin1 or 2 on that exchange?), this could hurt Bitcoin a lot.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Barek on November 16, 2013, 05:25:58 PM
Take a deep breath and calm down.

The Boy Who Cried Fork?

Neither fork would be be better off. First, the idea of Bitcoin itself has to succeed.



Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: proudhon on November 16, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 

Ok.  Does Bitcoin1 still use a distributed blockchain?  If so, I am going to create a businesses that blacklists/whitelists coins and addresses in Bitcoin1's blockchain.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: sdczen on November 16, 2013, 05:31:33 PM
Continue to fight to keep bitcoin from being corrupted....if it actually happens.

No need to fork bitcoin, as you can buy/use/support a viable fork in litecoin.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: proudhon on November 16, 2013, 05:34:41 PM
Continue to fight to keep bitcoin from being corrupted....if it actually happens.

No need to fork bitcoin, as you can buy/use/support a viable fork in litecoin.

Does litecoin still use a distributed blockchain?  If so, I am going to create a businesses that blacklists/whitelists coins and addresses in litecoin's blockchain.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Barek on November 16, 2013, 05:36:13 PM
Litecoin is actually pretty similar to what a bitcoin fork would feel like. On top of that, it doesn't take infrastructure away from Bitcoin.

Use Litecoin if you're unhappy with Bitcoin?


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: ElectricMucus on November 16, 2013, 05:37:27 PM
This thread is stupid, this board is stupid, Bitcoin is stupid.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Barek on November 16, 2013, 05:38:07 PM
This thread is stupid, this board is stupid, Bitcoin is stupid.
You lost me there in the end. ;)


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: safeminer on November 16, 2013, 05:45:35 PM
You know what it is time for ?
For the Bitcoin Foundation as it is to be scrapped and have this ridiculous idea of black/red whatever listing banned.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: proudhon on November 16, 2013, 05:48:52 PM
This thread is stupid, this board is stupid, Bitcoin is stupid.

Let's go


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: adamstgBit on November 16, 2013, 05:53:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPf6DwFoZUI  8)


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: MicroGuy on November 16, 2013, 05:57:20 PM
https://www.gldtalk.org/devteam/bubble.png

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society.  

Maybe we should just wait for the bubble to burst then all sit down together and regroup?


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: virtualmaster on November 16, 2013, 05:59:20 PM
Namecoin, as second creation of the great Satoshi, will always remain decentralized.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: hazenyc on November 16, 2013, 06:01:11 PM
Namecoin, as second creation of the great Satoshi, will always remain decentralized.

NMC is a huge discount compared to BTC -- they both essentially run the same code and have similar computing power in their network. It makes sense that NMC should also start increasing in $price.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Piper67 on November 16, 2013, 06:02:41 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 

Go ahead, fork it, I'm SURE around 50% of miners and node owners will follow you... ;D


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on November 16, 2013, 06:06:32 PM
Litecoin is actually pretty similar to what a bitcoin fork would feel like. On top of that, it doesn't take infrastructure away from Bitcoin.

Use Litecoin if you're unhappy with Bitcoin?

yes you could do this. Litecoin is a "backup" and forces bitcoin to go in the "right" direction.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: corebob on November 16, 2013, 06:18:03 PM
Let those who wants to make it another fiat currency fork it. The rest of us should just stick to clients using the original protocol, and possibly implement better anonymity.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Perseus353 on November 16, 2013, 06:24:38 PM
Fork off. It's never going to happen.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 16, 2013, 06:28:07 PM
To the OP ... go ahead.  Have fun trying to explain to users how "your Bitcoin" isn't the same "Bitcoin" as everyone else when they say "Bitcoin".

Lasting forks are the worst possible scenario for Bitcoin.  They should be avoided at all possible cost. 


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: imamanandyou on November 16, 2013, 06:29:28 PM
Why fork ?  If you want change Bitcoin protocol, just make new alt coin  ;)


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Notanon on November 16, 2013, 06:31:24 PM
Fork it! Fork it all! You've all gone and forked it up! Motherforkers!


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: adamstgBit on November 16, 2013, 06:33:07 PM
go ahead, i fully understand what you are trying to do and I will back it.

 let those who support red-listing put their money where their mouth is and we will do the same.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: dawie on November 16, 2013, 06:40:49 PM
The rules of the game has been set by Satoshi.  Banks and governments were never invited.  To let them have a claim to a part of the protocol now is to give away your liberties to the existing system that we all hoped to improve by joining the Bitcoin revolution.  Don't encourage division, maintain fundgeability and unity.  If the governments want to improve on Bitcoin, let them issue their own fiat cryptocurrancies and we will see which design wins the hearts and minds of free men.

 


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: qwk on November 16, 2013, 07:27:25 PM
I suggest we call this one the torch and pitchfork ;D


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: dawie on November 16, 2013, 07:30:03 PM
I suggest we call this one the torch and pitchfork ;D

The idea of a fork has been pitched, now lets torch it!


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: crazy_rabbit on November 16, 2013, 08:19:34 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 

This is nonsense. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are new to bitcoin. If there is something you don't like, get involved and change it. Forking something just for the heck of it doesn't make sense. If you want and anarchist bitcoin, just use the bitcoin testnet. It's anarchy there anyway. And yes, it's built into your bitcoin client. Just google it. Enjoy, you already have your bitcoin2 and you didn't even know it. :-)


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 16, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 

This is nonsense. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you are new to bitcoin. If there is something you don't like, get involved and change it. Forking something just for the heck of it doesn't make sense. If you want and anarchist bitcoin, just use the bitcoin testnet. It's anarchy there anyway. And yes, it's built into your bitcoin client. Just google it. Enjoy, you already have your bitcoin2 and you didn't even know it. :-)


Or advocate to keep Bitcoin fungible.  Don't support compnies which seek to harm the fungibility.  Don't support the investors other projects.  Edcuate other users on the dangers.   Make sure your favorite merchants know if they implement it they will lose your business.  Support improvements like Luke's miner patch, coinjoin, and other projects which will make it tougher for the "validators" to accomplish their goals.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: spartacus_ on November 16, 2013, 08:42:42 PM
When Bitcoin forks, the prices will fall.
How about saving the coins in Namecoins ?
Namecoin prices are very stable.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: franky1 on November 16, 2013, 08:48:13 PM
IF luke JR and mike hearn add their patches into the next version of bitcoin to be more government friendly. and people are left to decide to upgrade to this new QT update.. lets call that update the U.SGovcoin. and people vote on moving over to U.SGovCoin or staying with bitcoin in its current state.

bitcoin is international.

we dont want our funds audited by americans.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Trongersoll on November 16, 2013, 08:49:02 PM
We don't need to fork BTC, we need to Spork it!


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: adamstgBit on November 16, 2013, 08:50:40 PM
IF luke JR and mike hearn add their patches into the next version of bitcoin to be more government friendly. and people are left to decide to upgrade to this new QT update.. lets call that update the U.SGovcoin. and people vote on moving over to U.SGovCoin or staying with bitcoin in its current state

you know they are going to play dirty and make it seem like the is just a regular update

its up to us to make some noise


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: franky1 on November 16, 2013, 08:53:32 PM
IF luke JR and mike hearn add their patches into the next version of bitcoin to be more government friendly. and people are left to decide to upgrade to this new QT update.. lets call that update the U.SGovcoin. and people vote on moving over to U.SGovCoin or staying with bitcoin in its current state

you know they are going to play dirty and make it seem like the is just a regular update

its up to us to make some noise

the beauty of open source.. even though it will take time to read the code to find Mike H and Luke J's patches, they will be found


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: pand70 on November 16, 2013, 08:55:37 PM
That escalated quickly  :-X


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: ElectricMucus on November 16, 2013, 09:00:34 PM
IF luke JR and mike hearn add their patches into the next version of bitcoin to be more government friendly. and people are left to decide to upgrade to this new QT update.. lets call that update the U.SGovcoin. and people vote on moving over to U.SGovCoin or staying with bitcoin in its current state

you know they are going to play dirty and make it seem like the is just a regular update

its up to us to make some noise

the beauty of open source.. even though it will take time to read the code to find Mike H and Luke J's patches, they will be found

Bitcoin is using free Github, which has forced openness of the repository, so that isn't even necessary.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: bluemeanie1 on November 16, 2013, 09:37:30 PM
It is now time to fork bitcoin.  There is no reason to have only one. 

With new efforts to integrate user identities - there is now a very big divide between two competing schools of thought.  Each can go down their respective paths without interfering with the progress of the others.  The one thing necessary for this to occur - exists wonderfully. 

To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split. 

Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society. 

Time to Fork Bitcoin. 


we can also use Confidence Chains.  They require practically no processing power.


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: ImI on November 16, 2013, 09:43:36 PM

http://carlybananas.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/tumblr_lgpfc1DfU01qeweuno1_500-300x220.jpg


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: defaced on November 16, 2013, 09:55:06 PM
May i introduce you to the altcoin forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Walter Rothbard on November 17, 2013, 02:34:24 AM
To create Bitcoin1 and Bitcoin2, we'd need to divide the processing power.  Fortunately, we presently have more than twice the processing power that is necessary.  The network is a perfect capacity for being split.

Could you show your work on the math that you did to calculate how much processing power the network needs?

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Bitcoin1 can go on with the anarchists/outlaws who hate all government involvement and despises law and order.  Bitcoin2 can intergrate things which improve decent use in an orderly society.

Kind of ad homineming, there - I'm an anarchist because I love order, not because I despise it.  I believe anarchy and Bitcoin as it is improve a decent and orderly society.

Anyway, as far as forking Bitcoin - aren't you too late?  Hasn't it already been done?


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 17, 2013, 02:43:18 AM
IF luke JR and mike hearn add their patches into the next version of bitcoin to be more government friendly. and people are left to decide to upgrade to this new QT update.. lets call that update the U.SGovcoin. and people vote on moving over to U.SGovCoin or staying with bitcoin in its current state.

FUD.

Luke Jr patch is for miners.  It doesn't make tx easier to audit by the government if anything it makes it marginally more difficult.

To combine that with Mike Hearn's nonsense shows a lot of ignorance (or agenda).


Title: Re: It's time to fork Bitcoin
Post by: Rupture on November 17, 2013, 02:55:27 AM
Forking is a stupid idea, it would destroy the value.