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http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/11/13/sanitizing-bitcoin-coin-validation/

https://coinvalidation.com/

So yes, its real. Big government is here to destroy the anonymity of bitcoin.

What can and will we do about ? For example, Im running a pretty big mining operation, is there anything I can do with it to boycott/in any way obstruct their work ?

How can we decentralise the bitcoin foundation as we know it, they are in NO position of descision making, yet they seem to making some pretty big ones, while I and many other miners and users who actually ARE the bitcoin community do not agree with this !


/discuss

yes there absolutely is something you can do as a miner! please get on board! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334316.0

That's like saying you can only have one email address for your PayPal account.  ??? Or one screen name for your AOL!

No


Free market bitch.

Altcoins to the rescue!!

Doing business with government is not free market.

o rly?

Why should there be an exception? Just think of them as a really big cooperation.  :D
Coinvaluation should be able to do business with that cooperation shouldn't it?

But you don't have to do business with the government, so the free market lives on.

Thanks for creating yet another thread on this topic. The other 9000 weren't enough.

With the proposal, only the address changes. Instead of using a bitcoin address directly, you use a sort of a super-address, which can be used to generate a infinitely long stream of regular addresses. (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0032)

For us as users not much changes, once BIP32 has been implemented.

Government are the antithesis of free market. Government's decisions are enforced by sheer force, they are not based on voluntary exchanges.

Making profits because your customers are forced to be your customers not fit within a free market paradigm.

That didn't answer my question, should Coinvaluation be able to do business with the Goverment or not?

Actually they won't do business with government, they will do business with customers who are forced by the government to do business why them.

And it should appear very wrong for any person which think free market is something valuable.

You just said  "doing business with the goverment" 2 posts above. Which one is it.

Who's gonna force me to do business with coin valuation?

yes sure wtv

but the foundation is ( or should be ) the voice of the community, and should be actively pointing out how Coin Validation wont do any good for anyone


it wont stop money laundering , they keep telling us " don't worry all you have to do is mix your coins and you are safe " outrageous!

it wont do any good, in fact it will most likely always red flag innocent people. Because innocent  people will think their coins are good ( after all they got them legitimately ) and always let criminals through because they know how easy it is to by bass coin validation


its as clear as day!

you have to be stupid to think coin validation is good FOR ANYONE! its total CRAP and it must be stopped

I am soo mad the foundation is not backing 92% of the community

I was imprecise.

The US government will force merchants which sell stuff you'd like to buy to make business with CoinValidation which will going to force you to make business with CoinValidation if you want to buy stuff you'd like to buy.

Or I could just not sign up at Coinvaluation.

bitcoin is not US property, its not the problem of the world, that they don't like it. So they adopt or get lost.

Is there anything substantial which would suggest that to be true?

Who's gonna force me to do business with health insurance?

This is a bunch of BS. Also I doubt all foreign coin holders care to be regulated by the U.S. especially the Chinese.

The fact that this 3 guys aren't stupid so they certainly know that their business model will fail if it not helped by US law enforcement.

And we can reasonably guess that the regulators will love that idea and make it theirs.

And the thread is already swarming with idiots that has no idea what they are talking about, and therfore has no idea that they left the topic long ago.

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The foundation is best ignored.

Maybe you are better off talking to the developers at github. What they do, or don't do, probably matters.

Who provides it?

In other words there isn't.

luke Jr's miner protocol is not 'for the people' or 'for retail' its part of changes to make auditing who owns what easier, by forcing people to use only one address.

miners should avoid protocols such as mike hearns and luke JR's

imagine it:
a retailer only able to use one unique address every 10 minutes.. what is luke JR even thinking!!!!
imagine it:
you want to send funds to 2 people but you dont want them to easily work out your secret stash because one of those people is related to you and will want you to buy them an expensive christmas present.
you have to wait x hours, because starbucks is using each slot of each block. then your 2 uniquely addresses funds you moved around will be 10 minutes apart ATLEAST or hours depending on others.

bitcoin is not american its international so will the bitcoin foundation stop sucking U.S governments ass

As humans being we have the ability to make logical deductions about the consequences of current facts. Don't give up that ability.

I just don't come to the same conclusion you are.
If Coinvaluation wants to provide a sweaky-clean Bitcoin variant some people might want to chose that. Everybody else would just use Bitcoin as it is.
I don't think I have use for the things Coinvaluation plans to provide, but if other people think they do what do I care?

coinvalidation is not a protocol change.... its a business advisory service to help businesses make policies for AMLKYC. this is not a big deal as its voluntary for use their database and services.

but mike hearn and luke JR's stuff are bitcoin PROTOCOL changes which cant be ignored. people will have to make a choice if these idiotic idea's ever get implemented

Right, but why do people act like they are the same thing, or even related?

You've got to be kidding me. Glad to see it does not affect the price(Although I would like for it to go down a little bit).


these 'judicial' changes are as big factor as protocol changes. Sure we can ignore them, but it will bite us in the ass in the long run. We must stay sharp, analyze, make all necessary precautions.

Obviously the last 9000 threads you reffer to did not solve the problem. So yea we might need another 9000

You could use Franko instead.   8)

Itll be hard to go against the movement but we shpuld all try!

Fingers crossed this doesn't go ahead or price is gonna plummet.

sure buy and sell outside of the us !  no taxes ON btc ..

The government is pointless just ignore them and they can't do anything to bitcoin.

Also if you don't like the government don't vote for them

I concur. Who cares if they do this?

It's like people bitching about Facebook privacy.

"Oh but they should be more private with my shit, blah blah sign my petition share my post blah blah"

Or stop using a service that doesn't provide what you (claim to) want?

"I can't do that it's not practical my friends/family are using it"

How about: Stop bitching, get out of your comfort zone, and find some people who have the same philosophical ideals to be friends with/do business with.

So it is.

/thread

Hint: Where there is a "free market", there is government. It is possible to have government without a "free market" though.

The underground market will use alt coin if this were to happen

[EDIT! Also notice that the domain name has only been registered for one year. Sounds like they're fully committed.]  ;D

Forgive my ignorance, but:

Domain Name: COINVALIDATION.COM
Creation Date: 2013-09-20 15:32:00Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2014-09-20 15:32:00Z
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM
Registrant Name: JONATHAN WARREN
Registrant Organization: JONATHAN WARREN
Registrant Street: ONE PENN PLAZA
Registrant City: NEW YORK
Registrant State/Province: NY
Registrant Postal Code: 10119
Registrant Country: US
Admin Name: JONATHAN WARREN
Admin Organization: JONATHAN WARREN
Admin Street: ONE PENN PLAZA
Admin City: NEW YORK
Admin State/Province: NY
Admin Postal Code: 10119
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.5132561868
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.5555555555
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: COINVALIDATION736649336799@JONWARREN.ORG

"jonwarren.org"

[I Feel Lucky] *click*

"Oh, what's this? A subdirectory called /post."

*click*

Uh oh. Copyrighted music. Just right out there for anyone to grab.

Tsk tsk.

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Despite all that though, no contact information on the Coinvalidation website, no Privacy Policy, and a "Bitcoin Validated" logo (validated by whom?) that links nowhere.

Yeah, total trust.

 ;D

Doesn't seems like a problem to me...

Yes, you can. Read the BIPs (https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP), analyse, make a conclusion what is good for bitcoin from your, miner's point of view and vote:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334316.0

Technically anyone can do this, since the transactions on blockchain are visible to all

On the positive side, AML and NYC law currently are the only excuse that banks can use to block bitcoin businesses. If this hurdle is cleared, institutional investors will be able to enter the market at large scale. Large mutual fond and pension fond will start to diverse part of they holdings into bitcoin

No worries we have a backup plan. Its called Litecoin

so these three geeks will represent bitcoin community?! the sharks that would be allocated to deal with these guys will eat them shitless. they will be convincing public to use this service and one day implement it under governmental control. we as a minority will lose voice in decision-making. even if they dont decide to implement this now at least they will analyse the reaction of this community and then do required means to play the game. eventually separating our community from foundation which they will own/control/manipulate in future. the only way i see out of this is if we promote use of different darknet wallet app or we switch to different crypto currency that sorts that problem by design.

Don't forget Peercoin!

Also: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=334316.0

But I would question the validity of this website.