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How Mtgox stole a family's saved money, and wants to cancel withdraw. Full logs.

1. Family's money received 100.000 USD at May
2. Trusted account and increased withdrawal limit at June
3. Withdraw all money, 100.000 + 7777 EUR at October 2 weeks deadline.
4. Digital unconditional basic income, Biteuro at November
5. Mtgox wants cancel all withdrawing.
6. ???????

Mtgox wants cancel all money withdrawing, and start over again because play for time, and use others money. They are unfair and incorrect, playing other peoples' money, and want to split transfer and punish delay 3 x 20 days, and ask family to cancel all money withdrawing. It is terrible suggestion.
They are cheating, because they linked an Mtgox FAQ, it was posted on May, but they increased family withdrawal limit in  withdrawal page by AML division at June, because it's highest level trusted account. Also they are lying, because family's neighbor 2 weeks ago just received his money already, what he withdrew at end of October.

Mtgox is terrible lying and fraud, and playing ordinary people's money. No responsibility, understanding or sympathy for anybody, only profit, speculation, playing and using others money and finally stole. These family need our help. Check concept of Biteuro too, it is a real next generation concept of unconditional basic income and digital money, and upgraded version of Bitcoin.

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1. Funds received 100.000 USD (2 x 50.000) at April 30 and May 08
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Dear zenrobi, We have deposited $49,989.48000 into your account zenrobi.
Transaction Reference: b67d9d29-9c87-4e75-a365-0aff7c4f0d1e
Transaction Date: 2013-04-30 00:00:00
Please note that any fees that may have been deducted by your bank, intermediate bank or by the payment processor are not provided in this summary. If you plan to deposit funds in different currencies, please make sure to review your wallet/deposit behaviors on your accounts settings page.
Transaction Details
Reference: 810210535405
SWIFT[20]: U34N651013/0000
SWIFT[32A]: 130430USD50000,00
SWIFT[50K]: /HU68117750322317001800000000 HEGEDUS ROBERT FERENC HU 1136 BUDAPEST HEGEDUS GYULA UTCA 36 2/5
SWIFT[70]: M12376759X
SWIFT[71A]: SHA
- The Mt.Gox Team
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Dear zenrobi, We have deposited $49,989.63000 into your account zenrobi.
Transaction Reference: eadc05e7-b92e-4e38-aa66-29ae8b8461fa
Transaction Date: 2013-05-08 00:00:00
Please note that any fees that may have been deducted by your bank, intermediate bank or by the payment processor are not provided in this summary. If you plan to deposit funds in different currencies, please make sure to review your wallet/deposit behaviors on your accounts settings page.
Transaction Details
Reference: 810210542646
SWIFT[20]: U34N696231/0000
SWIFT[32A]: 130508USD50000,00
SWIFT[50K]: /HU68117750322317001800000000 HEGEDUS ROBERT FERENC HU 1136 BUDAPEST HEGEDUS GYULA UTCA 36 2/5
SWIFT[70]: M12376759X
SWIFT[71A]: SHA
- The Mt.Gox Team

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2. Trusted status by AML division increased 100.000 USD withdrawal limit.
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Request #93053
[Mt.Gox] Trusted status (AML division) Jun 04 11:21
Hello, We are pleased to inform you that the identification documentation you have submitted has been reviewed, and your account has been upgraded to "Trusted" status.
If you would like to request a withdrawal limit increase (up to 100,000$ daily, and up to 500,000$ monthly), please reply back to this email with the below.
Wallet (BTC/USD/ETC): New Daily Limit:
Wallet (USD/EUR/ETC): New Monthly Limit:
We sincerely apologize for the delays and any inconvenience which you have suffered in relation to the account verification process. If you continue to experience any issues, please do not hesitate to contact Mt.Gox Support.
Thanks, MtGox.com Team
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Comments: User Robi
Dear Mtgox team,  thank you for supporting BTC and made the best exchange.
My account Number: M12376759X, zenrobi. Please increase my transaction limits to maximum limits:
Traditional Currencies
Daily withdrawal limit (24hrs): 100,000 USD (or equivalent)
Monthly withdrawal limit: 500,000 USD (or equivalent)
Bitcoin
Daily Bitcoin withdrawal limit (24hrs): 10,000 BTC
Monthly Bitcoin withdrawal limit: none
Thank you very much:
Robert Hegedus
June 04, 2013 15:15
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Comments: User Maria Support Desk
Hello, Your limits have been raised as requested.
Thanks, MtGox.com Team
June 04, 2013 15:32
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Comments: User Maria  Support Desk
Hello, Your limits were updated according to your request.
Would you like any further assistance from us?
Thanks, MtGox.com Team
June 04, 2013 15:32
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Comments: User Robi
Thank you for your help, and thanks your Great support for BTC. Mt.Gox team make really great and important job for humanity. Thanks.
June 05, 2013 05:48

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3. Withdrawing all money 100.000 EUR and 7.777 EUR at october 17. and november 08.
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Withdraw from your account zenrobi‏
Mt.Gox (info@mtgox.com)Add to contacts 10/17/13
To: zenrobi
Dear zenrobi, There has been a withdrawal from your Mt.Gox account:
Transaction reference: 5e26d592-5ce9-4a60-9e5b-f6707a12b42a
Date: 2013-10-17 14:24:58 GMT
IP: 88.203.60.51 You can access your account history for more details.
Please contact us as soon as possible by replying to this email if you did not request this withdrawal.
Thanks, The Mt.Gox Team
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Dear zenrobi, There has been a withdrawal from your Mt.Gox account:
Transaction reference: 9e8915e1-82b8-4059-9904-fdaee9a1603d
Date: 2013-11-08 17:15:39 GMT
IP: 88.203.60.51 You can access your account history for more details.
Please contact us as soon as possible by replying to this email if you did not request this withdrawal.
Thanks, The Mt.Gox Team
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Zenrobi's account history:
2013/11/08 18:15:39   Withdraw   Status: confirmed   7,777.31000 €   0.00688 €
Withdraw to account HSBC BANK MALTA P.L.C.
2013/10/17 16:24:58   Withdraw   Status: confirmed   100,000.00000 €   7,777.31688 €
Withdraw to account HSBC BANK MALTA P.L.C.

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4. Digital unconditional basic income, Biteuro
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Request #143806 Digital unconditional basic income
Robi: Nov 13 22:03
Dear Mark, Mt.Gox team, management and everybody,
thank you very much for your great effort and supporting BTC. I love Mt. Gox and your effort for help new technology, because BTC has lot of potential, but at last it can not save the world.
All digital currencies have same problem: unfair distribution. Some people has lot of capital, and others few, and many has not. I know myself a people, who has more than 100k BTC,and he want more. Why? He is stupid, he doesn't understand what is BTC?
This kind of mentality are common, and it can not help us and can not save the world economy and the poor people. Goal of digital currencies are simple: people try to create a next generation economy. Recent digital currencies have lot of profit and speculation at the moment, depending of fiat capital and it is good only to demolish the bank system, but it can not save the poor.
At last, we found a real solution to save the world economy and all the peoples, keeping all advances of BTC, but throw away all profit and speculation mind. The most important advances of BTC are
- decentralized network and
- crypto digital currency technology,
but we must change and clear distributing system well. We are European, and we have a chance now to change the world economy with unconditional basic income concept.
You know exactly, we have an unconditional basic income concept in EU, but we have no power, because we have no digital money for that. The EU laws can not give unconditional basic income for people, but we can. So, we have chance to create a digital euro for common people and distribute all citizens in EU, and fix digital EUR price 1:1 to fiat EUR.
I'd like to ask you, please help us and save together the whole world economy, and create together a digital EUR with unconditional basic income for all European peoples, and other countries, ecosystems and peoples will follow us.
Thank you:
zenrobi
robi@zen.hu
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Comments: User Robi
I am here, because of confidence for you. I worked 20 years in Universities like zen teacher and lecture, and I am not a business man or trader, just a people who has 3 young children and think about human's future and help the peoples.
We sold out our flat with my wife and transferred almost all money for you 100.000 USD because of confidence for you. This is the truth, I sent our savings to you, only a little money left. So, my confidence is not an empty words, my confidence is true.
1 months ago, I abandoned BTC support, because I recognized the problems of BTC. Unfair distribution is similar like banks, early adopters, investors, people who has capital will gain and become rich, but simple people remain simple and poor.
I am here for help, and not for harvest profit or power.
Who is that crazy people beside me, who has 3 young children 6, 4 and 8 months, and sold out his flat and transfer all money to you?
In these reason, please think about our future and find the best solution for everyone. Thank you very much.
http://www.facebook.com/zenrobi
November 13, 2013 23:40
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Comments: User Robi
Here is the concept of next generation economy, which is saving our world.
European issue: The Times 18/Nov/2013 The Gods of Food
Digital EURO with unconditional basic income. Based on Bitcoin technology, concept of European unconditional basic income, European citizens, and mtgox.com ???
Digital EURO:
- short term dEUR
- Fixed price ratio with European Central Bank EUR
- dEUR:EUR = 1:1
- released by European citizens and mtgox.com???
- decentralized network
- crypto digital currency
- equitable distribution
- all EU citizens get same amount of dEUR
- own wallet
- wallet access on any computer or mobile phone
- based on concept of European unconditional basic income
- monthly payment
- all EU citizens could be register and get own wallet
Registration of wallet:
- send copy of apostalized bio-metric EU passport by mail
- send digital copy of your fingerprint by email
- fingerprint and passport will generate own wallet (one person has one wallet only)
Access wallet:
- wallet identification based on fingerprint
- wallet access based on fingerprint and password
- access wallet from anytime and anywhere (not only from your PC or mobile)
Unconditional basic income:
- for all EU citizens
- monthly payment dEUR for wallet
Other members without unconditional basic income:
- create wallet, similar like Bitcoin
I know, lot of works ahead to create
- dEUR network, crypto algorithm, clients program, etc.
- payment to 500 million citizens by every month,
but if we do, then we start to save the world. We can use Bitcoin technology, but with clear and fair distribution, because we want to become every people for rich, not only some. Go ahead and save the world, be happiness and rich for everybody.
Thank you very much for your help.
November 15, 2013 03:23
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Comments: User Danny  Support Desk
Hello, Thank you for the email. We will forward this to the management group for consideration and you will be contacted if we are interested with this.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com
[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit https://mtgox.com/security]
November 16, 2013 00:16
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Comments: User Robi
Thank you very much, please forward Biteuro page to your management, and please join us to help. Thank you very much.
https://www.facebook.com/biteuro
November 16, 2013 01:15
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Comments: User Danny Support Desk
Hello,Thank you for the email. We will forward this as well. Get back to us for any further assistance.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team https://www.mtgox.com
[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit https://mtgox.com/security]
November 17, 2013 20:04

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5. Mtgox wants cancel withdrawing.
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Request #145492 Withdraw 100.000 EUR
Robi Nov 16 08:15 Dear Mark, Mt.Gox team, management
At October 17, we withdraw our saving by SEPA within 2 weeks transfer time. We are family with 3 children, we need back our money suddenly, because we transferred our savings to you in spring time, but we have not enough money at the moment. Please transfer back our money. Please understand, we are family.
My neighbor is a miner, and he started withdraw at end of October, and he already received his money by SEPA. Please again, please transfer back our savings, we need it. Thank you very much:
zenrobi
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Comments: User Nancy Support Desk
Hello, Thank you for the email and sorry for the delay in response. We could find that you have initiated two withdrawals 2013-10-17 for 100,000.00000 € and 2013-11-08 for 7,777.31000 €.
Please be noted that as mentioned in FAQ
- It is not possible to withdraw less than 10 EUR.
- Withdraws lower than 100.00 EUR are on average take less than a week.
- It takes at least a month on average for withdrawals larger than 10,000 EUR
- Withdrawals greater than 50,000 EUR need to be split it into multiple transfers or you can use the International Wire payment method.
- Due to the volume of withdrawals requests, each customer is currently only allowed 1 withdrawal every 20 days (estimate)
Situation as of 17 November 2013: We are currently processing withdrawals requested six weeks ago. (Users with several withdrawals in the queue must take the 20 day rule above into account).
So we request you to split your withdrawal made on 2013-10-17 into multiple transfers .
Best regards,
Mt.Gox Team
https://www.mtgox.com
[Attention: Please protect your account using OTP to ensure that your funds are safe and secure. Failing to do so makes your information vulnerable to hackers.
Please visit https://mtgox.com/security]
November 18, 2013 17:27
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Comments: User Robi Also, please come and protect the real new generation concept of money, which can really save our world. Thank you.
https://www.facebook.com/biteuro
November 18, 2013 17:35
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Comments: User Robi
Dear Mark and Mtgox team,

Our saving are our confidence for you:
We transferred with my wife all our savings to you 100.000 USD at May because of confidence for you. We are a family with 3 young children, please be attention, we need back our savings because we are not rich and we need money. We just sold out our flat, and transferred that money to you. Again, we transferred our savings to you because confidence to you.

Trusted user:
In this reason, I became trusted user with apostolized passport and ubikey, because I care about our savings. I received an email in may, and your AML division gave it a permission and put my withdrawal limit.

Following AML division and my MTGOX withdrawal page:
According your AML division and in my MTGOX withdrawal page, my withdrawal limit in EUR at October 17: Withdraw up to 100,000.00000 € provided you have enough on your account (your limit is 100,000.00000 € per 24 hours and 500,000.00000 € per 30 days)
SEPA Withdrawals: Due to the daily withdrawal limits imposed by our European bank, all fund transfers to SEPA accounts in Europe will take 2 weeks or less depending on the size of your withdrawal.

Withdraw at October 17:
33 days ago, I just withdrew 100.000 EUR, according AML orders and permission and Mtgox withdrawal page, and got status: confirmed.
I just followed your AML division permission on your withdrawal page.
In this reason, I started 100.000 EUR withdrawal, because you allowed this amount with trusted account.

Zen desk say: I am wrong:
Today, I received an email from your zen desk, and they wrote: I am wrong, and I can not withdraw my money, and I have cancel my withdraw.
Like a zen teacher, I have to say, no. I just followed your orders and permission by ALM division and Mtgox withdrawal page and not my idea. Also, my neighbor received his money 2 weeks ago, he withdrew by SEPA at october 22.
Zen desk also said, I must cancel my withdrawal, and I have to wait 3x20 days. This is really understandable, because I started my withdraw 32 days ago according your ALM division.

Solution:
I just followed AML division, and withdrawal page and nothing more.
If you don't want to transfer back our savings to us, or if you want transfer back with split-ted, then please tell us, but please don't tell us, we are wrong, because WE JUST FOLLOWED YOUR ORDERS.
Please, reply us, what is your decision about a family money:
- you will transfer back our saving.
- you don't want to transfer back our saving.
- you want to splitted transfer back our saving.

We have to know, what is your decision, because we just followed you and trusted you.
Thank you very much for your help a family and support not only Bitcoin, but Biteuro.
Robert Hegedus (zenrobi)
Seniour Zen teacher of Dharme Gate Buddhist University
www.zen.hu
https://www.facebook.com/zenrobi
https://www.facebook.com/biteuro
robi@zen.hu
November 18, 2013 19:08


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What is biteuro? And how is it connected with mt.gox?

Hmmm yes what is it?

TLDR version: I was naive and ignorant enough to sell my home and transfer my family's entire fortune to MtGox without doing any due diligence or research that would have told me MtGox sucks for getting your cash back out.

Sorry, OP, but you'd think with that much money at stake, you'd have done a little googling or forum surfing.  MtGox is a rash all over these forums with people struggling to cash out. 

I empathize with your plight, but ain't nobody to blame but yourself.  Good luck.

I think the best thing to do would be to contact MtGox about that.  I'm sure you've tried, but there isn't much that can be done.  Hopefully you can get it resolved sooner rather than later.

But still what is the biteuro??

It's a just forming new idea:
https://www.facebook.com/biteuro

Introduction of Biteuro concept (BEU)

Future money concept of European Union, it based on:
- Bitcoin technology (BTC)
- 500 million European Citizens (EU)
- Initiative for an Unconditional Basic Income (UBI) in European Union

Bitcoin technology is superior, but lot of bitcoiners' mentality are outdated, it based on ancient centralized economy and unsocial practice such as profit, speculation, capital investment, fear and unfair distribution. These kind of habits are unnecessary and outdated today, and blockage the future development of humanity.

The European Citizens’ initiative for an Unconditional Basic Income is one of the major innovations in European history, it can establishes Internet Based real Democracy and social welfare in European Union and elsewhere in the world. It is a new basic human rights, sensitive and responsible behavior for every human.

The major sequences of be you (BEU):
- Bitcoin technology (BTC)
- European Citizens (EU) and
- Unconditional Basic Income (UBI)

Only bringing together can aid the future of humanity and next generation economy in planet Earth. BTC + EU + UBI = BEU

Thanks for your sympathy.

My email to MtGox (Nov 19):

I just received 5 emails from you, but I'll be honest, at the moment I have no strength to open and read them, even I have no strength to talk with my best friends or anybody. I got completely floor, because you taken away our confidence and future of children. We are feeling us such in Braveheart, when William Wallace disappointed in Robert the Bruce
 

We are just here, because we are trusting in you and Bitcoin community, we are trusting in the freedom. I don't know what is in your emails, but if you want to be correct now, then why? Because are you afraid to collapse of MtGox or Bitcoin price drop? Are you afraid about us ever or our children? Your last email was terrible.
 
 
And what are the other Bitcoiners? I heard about a man, who received his money after 195 days. Where is your responsibility for Bitcoin community? Where is your transparency?  Where is your clear communication to others? Your facebook page was updated at August. This is a care for community? This is a next generation mentality? You really want to continue this outdated old school?  What do you think about us, if last we only fed our children at August?
 
 
We are a great family named Bitcoiners and we want to save this world together, we want happiness and freedom for everybody.

 
What do you really want? You want fears and other abnormal habit? You must throw away your doubt, your fear, your speculation, your lie, and you must start to communicate clearly with open heart to everyone. You must go and ask community help.
 
 
All Bitcoiners are trouble and not only you, but everyone, because we just recognized the wrong track, what Gavin said before.
   

We are not different from our own enemies at the moment. Our enemies are the fear, doubt, lie, profit, speculation, jealousy, false, untruth, distrust.
 
 
Please, think about these, because I believe Santa, I believe freedom and wonder, and I recognized clearly, only the community can find the correct way.
 
I believe wisdom of community.
 
 
zenrobi in your name William Wallace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIvRkjOd1f8
 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE

Who are you forcing to provide you with the Unconditional Basic Income?  Or is there some magic money tree somewhere that you can pick it from?

I sympathize with the problem with mtgox.  Don't give up, it may just take them time.

Gene Nov 19 15:15 Hello Robert,
We have merged your tickets for better follow up.We understand and we really apologize for the delay..We are working with various Banks to provide a better and faster withdrawal,will surely keep you posted on the updates.Each withdrawals gets processed once in 20 and 30 days respectively after the first one, .We are unable send more than the limit by day which caused delay, the limit reaches every day as a daily withdrawal limits has been imposed by our European bank however we have increased the limits so the withdrawals should go through soon.

You have initiated an withdrawal on 2013/10/17 23:24:58 and It takes at least a month on average for withdrawals larger than 10,000 EUR so your withdrawal should be processed soon and it queued.

We have updated the withdrawals page with more detailed explanation that will be more helpful to determine the time taken for the transfer. Please note that in order to send transfers to each users, we have set some limits now. Each customer is currently only allowed 1 withdrawal every 20 days (estimate).
Situation as of 19 November 2013: We are currently processing withdrawals requested six weeks ago. (Users with several withdrawals in the queue must take the 20 day rule above into account)
We guaranty your money and we will surely update you once its processed.Thank you for your patience.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
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Hello Mark and Mt.Gox Team,

I read your emails and you changed your mind well, what was excepted, because of public, but nobody do not forget: your tone was really different in previous email.

You make many people to become crazy and rich without any effort. At last, lot of Bitcoiners' and newcomers' mind fell into your darkness hell, because lot of money.

I am that man, who will never use any digital money anymore, only which will base on concept of unconditional basic income or any other social care or equality.

At last, I started to give up BTC support in good time, and finally I threw away our BTC with lost, and at last I did not earn 1.3 million USD at recent price. I was able to stay human and my mind is not changed.

I abandoned BTC support, because I just believe ordinary people and not rich. Finally BTC become popular in wall street investors and millionaires, and today BTC is not different such any other investments, the price increased by fears and speculation. At last, lot of Bitcoiners became rich and clouded their mind. These peoples are like a demons.


You promised by this email, you will transfer back soon our children money, because you don't want scandals and price drop because this issue with us. But if you think, this conversion was finished with us, you are wrong. Social sensitive and poor people will destroy all these recent and false digital moneys for wall street investors and millionaires, because there are more and more people in this world, who can believe social care and equality.


I gave it a chance to you to come and change your mind, and support the true new generation digital money development such Biteuro, which is based digital unconditional basic income, but you threw it away.

Jesus Christ
(zenrobi)

Some words to community from Gandalf:

We are here, because we want to save our world. We want to give happiness, joy, security, rich, freedom, equality, creativity, knowledge to all peoples in this world.  We want to share everything to the others, we want to make everything to Public Domain and Open Source, we want to give peace and love to everyone. This is calling humanity.

But here and many places in this world, lot of people is not thinking about others, not thinking about responsibility, only thinking about money and himself. Many peoples want to be rich, many people dream about a better, easier and free future to himself. But this is an unacceptable behavior, jut an illusion, which generate more and more sufferings to the other peoples.

At the moment, there are lot of suffering in this world, wars, criminals, tragedies We have lot of problems, we have lot of poor men and abnormal human mentality. But our goal is not saving our self, but saving everybody. If you think about yourself, then you are not different from a demon or an orc from Moron, who follows the darkness. This darkness is not existing only outside in Universe, but exists inside our mind. There are lot of fears, hates, self-interest, domination, illusion of freedom, speculation and control.

At last, BTC and we are just failed, because it's darkness in our mind. BTC is not a real sword, BTC can not cut the ignorance and gloom in our mind. In fact, BTC is a money from Moron, and every heroes, every great warriors who ever touched this dark weapon, finally fallen and became a daemon. That's happened with my best friends too. The community need recognize the truth, we lost a very important battle.

We have some towers remained, such Torrent, Tor, Open Source, Public Domain, but at last BTC fallen, because BTC is under control of Moron. We have to calm down, recognize the truth and try to prepare a much better weapon than BTC. This new weapon will destroy darkness of Moron. Gandalf a man, who recognized this, and call everybody to fight against darkness and Moron.

zenrobi

A quick lesson in dealing with support anywhere.

Cut out all the irrelevant crap.

Here endeth the lesson.

Not to be cynical

But I sense an appeal for donations coming from this OP

Seems like another story. How many have experienced the same?

Real vaule of Bitcoin, how can we avoid crash, and the new generation digital moneys.

Real value of Bitcoin based on cost of mining, cost of network and clients programs developing, research, maintenance cost of network, cost of electricity and so forth. These major sequence of maintenance and development create and add the real price of Bitcoin.

Maintenance + Development = Real value of Bitcoin

It is possible to calculate a real and approximate price from statistics, but that will be significant lower what many forecasters and investors are expected. This is the real value of Bitcoin, and this is the truth.

Above real value of Bitcoin, the price is basing on speculation, profit, fear, desire and it depending and belonging to hedge funds, major investors and misguided people. These funds and investors are looking for an emergency route for their capitals, because of fear of economy crisis, and this habit can create any size of bubble above the real price. This mentality is old, and based on fears.

We have to know, Bitcoin price is based on fear and not the reality, and in this reason the price easily drop anytime to nearly maintenance costs. Some people think and shout loudly: Bitcoin price is based on trust. They are blind and don't want to face of the truth, because this is not a real trust or faith, just strained and desperate escape. When the real new generation digital currencies will appear in the world, Bitcoin price will fall, because it based old generation mentality, unfair and not equal distributing system.  

The big looser will be the ordinary and mislead-ed people, that's why we have been prepare to protect and defend these innocent peoples in time. Many great Bitcoiners understood, what this technology means. Bitcoin is only a technology essentially and this technology offers a big chance for humanity to create a better world and next generation economy system.

Current state of Bitcoin is lame, incorrect and unfair, it has no social care and social security inside, the social sensibility are missing from the source code. Current state of Bitcoin is such a wild animal, or barbarian and savage man, who is living in the forest. But he needs culture, he needs evolution and calms. We are calling this evolution for upgrade.
 
Bitcoin needs a major upgrade. One of the major upgrade should be the unconditional basic income and other social securities inventions. Also, many peoples think that, only one money will be enough for humanity. They are probably right, but not even now. We are far away from one money at the moment, because the world economy is belonging on geographical location and depending to Continents.

The European Union is the first real working mixed economy system, which based on different cultures and countries. Other Continents and countries need follow European achievements, and need to develop their own economy structure as American Union, Asian Union, African Union, Australian Union. These will be the five major economy systems.

So, I put in your hand the future of humanity, and you will decide what can you do, but I know exactly, only the community can find the correct way.

But do not forget, Bitcoin was so important invention, thanks to Satoshi but became outdated today and we need upgrade it, because every software needs upgrade by time if a new option appears. But this upgrade will be not easy, because lot of people became riches, and they don't want to be social and responsibility or throw away their fortune, but if they understand the fact, then we have a chance to stay together.

So we have start to develop and research the really new generation currencies, before crash of Bitcoin. The real new generation currencies will help to avoid of negative effect of bubble, and the brand new next generation currencies will really save not only our world, but all peoples.

Thank you for attention of community:
zenrobi

The Biteuro is the first Social money concept in the world.

Printed moneys based on Gold standard.
Digital moneys based on Technology standard.
Social moneys based on Technology and Social standard.

Come and support it.

zenrobi
https://www.facebook.com/biteuro

User Gene Support Desk
Dear Valued Customer, We understand and the limits is not for your account it is the daily limits set by our Bank and however we are working with them and they have increased the limits which is imposed on us.We will surely help you and in order to fasten the withdrawals we requested to cancel as withdrawals greater than 50,000 EUR which can be split it into multiple transfers or you can use the International Wire payment method.We are providing the options where we can process the transactions bit faster.We apologize for the inconvenience this may have caused.

Please be advised that we are in the process of finalizing partnership with a Bank and you can expect a more assured announcement on the withdrawal/deposit.
Best regards, Mt.Gox Team
November 23, 2013 12:43

User Robi

Hello Mtgox,

there is no any excuse me or any acceptable reason, why you are holding our savings. This is a fraud. We just followed your AML division's instructions and our account. We didn't play money never, we just trusted in you and Bitcoin, but we gave up BTC forever, because it is unsocial like you.

We can not accept any words, apologize or explanation anymore, because you are untruth and unfair. Everybody are frustrated in community about your habit.

If you have daily withdraw limit in your bank, then walk 100 meters, and open another bank account in other bank. There are about 50 different Bank in Poland, open more accounts. Even a child can open another accounts, why do you make us fool? And after you reached 50 different account in Poland then go Hungary, and so forth.

I have to say, you have no social responsibility. We transferred our saving to you, but you don't care about us or others, just your profit.

I offered you before, come and help to develop the first social money for humanity. But you are not interest to save the world, only your profit and pump up Bitcoin price.

We can not accept any reason and apologize for delay and playing our future and our children money. We are not millionaire like you, we are not rich people like you, we have an ordinary people, who sold out their flat and transferred our 3 children assets to you. That is not your money.

We don't interesting profit, or speculation or anything stupid thing, keep it for yourself, we are interesting of future of humanity, that's why we joined you, but we are disappointed, because this is not a future.

Just transfer back our original assets now, what we transferred before.

And one more thing. We didn't withdraw BTC or any money from you before, in fact, we have no wallet or anything, we have never owned any BTC, just on your web pages. This is our first withdrawing, and never was not before.

We just transfer our savings to you, and left all money to you, like a bank, because we loved you and confidence of you. We didn't make any wrong or trouble for you, we just trusted in you, and left all money, but now, you gonna too far.

Just send back our original money now, and keep the profit for yourself.


zenrobi
father of 8 months old baby, 4 years old girl and 6 years old boy.
founder of social digital money idea
believer of bitsocial technology and Bitcoin community
a man, who threw away all BTC, because it has no future, it is unsocial.

November 23, 2013 17:40

Letter for MTgox.

I don't care about myself anymore, I don' care about my life. I am thinking only about how can we save this world together.

You were wrong. You made brain wash for all people here, and you spread a false ideology for everybody. Now, lot of peoples think about BTC, and they believe, BTC is correct. No, it is not. In fact, BTC is in early alpha stage. We need upgrade and improve BTC technology. But you don't care about our future, only your profit, and you don't want to understand the facts.

This is bullshit. You are really believing for that, is it really correct and fair against all peoples in this planet, when anybody has 1422 BTC like I had before, because  it is early adopter or something else false idea, and this amount of BTC is really right and fair for a people? Look at our grocery, named Mario, who is always working even at Sunday, who is really poor man, not like you, and finally he will get some Satoshi in the future, because he must work now, and he has no money and time to buy? This is really our future? Some people will be rich, but why care for others?

Are you really thinking, when a people must work, and he never heard about BTC, he will get only some later, but you, who already is rich, you will throw nuts for him. No, no, I don't believe this stupid thing, I don't believe. Get in line, and you be the last, you must be poor, you must be last person to enter into the kingdom of heaven, and not him.

if you are rich man, and then you throw some potato to poor, that is a bullshit. Spread your riches and power to everyone, and then you are okay. And you know what is the worst, you spread this mentality in this world, and now, everybody eaten this stupidity, and everybody believe own riches, because it's early adopters, developers, investors or lucky. This is a bullshit.

We have 7 billion people in this world, we have to responsibility for them. Okay? We have responsibility for all people in this planet. In fact, at the moment, there are approximately 11 million BTC for 7 billion peoples. How many amount will be equal, correct and fair for everyone? How many? I'll tell you exactly:
 
0,0015714285714286 BTC for each people.

That is the correct number, fair and social behavior and nothing else. If you have even 0.5 BTC, then you are 318 times more richer then common or ordinary people. That means, if I have 1 thousand dollars, then you have 318k dollars. It is a big different, and we are talking about 0.5 BTC and not more.

You brain washed for everybody under years, and finally almost everybody accepted this darkness and incorrect stupidity, and everybody accepted a huge amount of  BTC per person. No way! You just forget the others, you was think about yourself.

BTC means more then your bullshit and riches. We are talking about our future, we are talking about humanity future. At the moment we are not different from bankers, financiers, money agents, brokers, investors, hedges funds, millionaires. We are failed all together, and now, we have to find a solution to save everybody.


I am sorry for some rude words, but I had use to clear your speculation mind.
 
zenrobi

Gene Support Desk
Dear Valued Customer,
I will have your request escalated to the concern personnel and you will be updated on this.Thank you for your patience.
Best regards,
Mt.Gox Team
November 25, 2013 16:29

User Robi
Hello Mtgox,
Don't hold our money for yourself. We can not accept any reason for holding and delay.
We want to withdraw our moneys immediately, and after when we received our money, we want to terminate the contract of Mtgox.

We are a family, and we want to get back our saving instantly. We can not believe anymore in Bitcoin, because it is unsocial as you. We believe next generation social money only.

Transfer back our savings right now.
zenrobi

November 25, 2013 17:35

It would make your story more credible to add screenshots for these conversations so we actually know they took place via email or on their site.

Yes, we need screenshots...

I am really sorry to hear your story and I hope the best for you and your family.

The only way I got money back from Gox was to buy back BTC (at a higher price) and transfer the BTC to Bitstamp (or Coinbase) to get my money. BTC-e will also scam you like Gox.

Oh, Btc-e is having problem as well?

This thread is giving me a headache.

because of the huge wall of text?  :P

BTW, what are the most reliable exchanges at this moment?

Here are the screenshots:
http://imgur.com/a/gxSzk (http://imgur.com/a/gxSzk)

Want to get some info on this as well!!

history EUR:
http://pastebin.com/ze47zuVe
history BTC:
http://pastebin.com/EecMatJv

Hi hero

You put in 100,000 in April/ May and have the same amount in October/November?

Can I ask how this can be when surely you made some trading profit during this period, or do u still hold BTC in MtGox?

Hope it all works out fo you.

As Mtgox suggested, best to do international wire transfer as per their instructions.

Rather than spend time stressing any more, please go into your account and do wire transfer...it is that simple.

Understand they may have told you different by setting up higher withdrawal limits, however you are not dealing with a bnbak, you are dealing with an unregulated online website that could close down overnight without warning.

Be safe, kiss your children and do what you need to do to get the funds back (wire transfer).

Cheers

BTC-e has shills all over these boards who talk-up their service. Just go read comments to BTC-e News posts on their site - you will see dozens of people complaining in the News section given that BTC-e is completely unresponsive to people in their Support system. BTC-e have likely seized thousands and thousands of BTC from people illegally and it will not surprise me if BTC-e goes dark/out-of-business in the next few months.

 I will not be surprised if there are arrests and seizure of BTC-e assets at Mayzus (BTC-e's bank) in the next few weeks/months. If I can't get my money back, they need to be taken down to avoid more scams.

I will also not be surprised when the USA arrest and seizure all the bitcoin exchanges, by doing this they will stop people from trying to use an alternative currency that is not regulated by them.

1) Giving long rants to Mt. Gox's support staff probably doesn't help in any way.

2) You are completely talking through them.

3) What is your native language?

4) They're trying to help you, why are you being an ass to them when they try?

5) You keep making new tickets? How will that help?