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Title: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: hacknoid on November 20, 2013, 08:04:12 PM
 ;D ;D

OK, OK - I know, but I couldn't resist reading this article - my first thought was it was picked up from the Onion, but, sadly, no.  That title is classic!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/19/bitcoin-needs-a-central-banker/

To save you the time, don't bother reading it - nothing new here.  Basically it's rehashing about the fluctuating value of a bitcoin and how that is terrible for a currency.  The punchline?

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Fortunately, there is a possible solution for Bitcoin's volatility problem: There needs to be some kind of central institution. A bank of sorts. One with the bottomless ability to either pump extra Bitcoin into the market or suck it out, depending on what's needed to maintain stable prices. With all that power, measures need to be taken to ensure that this Bitcoin overseer is independent and credible.

Of course, you'll need somebody to run it. And if outgoing Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke doesn't get a job running a central bank for frequent flyer miles, as endorsed in this space a few weeks ago, maybe Bitcoiners can give him a call.

ROTFLMAO

Either this is one of the most uninformed people about bitcoin, how it works, and the principles behind it, or someone was just trying to get an article written in 15 minutes to meet the deadline.

Wow...


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: defaced on November 20, 2013, 08:21:42 PM
Probably the deadline theory.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: LiteCoinGuy on November 20, 2013, 09:24:09 PM
that must be in the hall of fame for the worst bitcoin related titles ever  :D


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: knight22 on November 20, 2013, 09:36:24 PM
I really wonder when the FED will realise that they CAN'T do that.  ::) ::)


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: odolvlobo on November 20, 2013, 10:32:21 PM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: Steveia on November 20, 2013, 11:59:41 PM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

Well...this assumes Bitcoin becomes centralized. And it assumes that the Fed is still around. And the Fed has destroyed the value of the dollar...


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: dave111223 on November 21, 2013, 12:29:13 AM
...maybe Bitcoiners can give him [Ben Bernanke] a call [to run bitcoin].

This is probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen written about bitcoin.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: jojo69 on November 21, 2013, 12:32:24 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

http://cox-supergroups.com/TheStupidItHurts.jpg#the%20stupid%20it%20hurts%20750x574


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: Carlton Banks on November 21, 2013, 12:55:04 AM
I think articles like this are like the central banking and world financial institutions way of saying goodbye. Let's hope they don't think the goodbye options through in an Alex Jones type way.

"Somtime near the beginning of the 21st Century, mankind was united in celebration. That's when it happened. We don't know who struck first, but we know it was us that scorched the skies"


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: 420 on November 21, 2013, 01:28:50 AM
yeah just cap bitcoin at $500 and distribute bits based on need rather than wanted purchases

LOL


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: knight22 on November 21, 2013, 01:47:17 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: kjlimo on November 21, 2013, 02:18:20 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.

I think you're all misreading what "managing" means.

The fed doesn't have to buy all the bitcoins, or process transactions to "manage" the supply.  The fed will just need to decide what tools they have available.  They could issue bitcoin bonds the same way they issue dollar bonds, cuz what's the fricken difference?

Just one random thought, but to say the fed is managing the bitcoin supply in 10 years shouldn't be written off as quickly as all the replies here have done.

I believe it's a longer discussion.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: oakpacific on November 21, 2013, 02:20:03 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.

I think you're all misreading what "managing" means.

The fed doesn't have to buy all the bitcoins, or process transactions to "manage" the supply.  The fed will just need to decide what tools they have available.  They could issue bitcoin bonds the same way they issue dollar bonds, cuz what's the fricken difference?

Just one random thought, but to say the fed is managing the bitcoin supply in 10 years shouldn't be written off as quickly as all the replies here have done.

I believe it's a longer discussion.

You are exactly confirming what they said up there.

Without the 8000 tons of golds confiscated from the Americans, I doubt their bonds would have been worth so much.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: odolvlobo on November 21, 2013, 02:29:52 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...
The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.
I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.
That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.
I think you're all misreading what "managing" means.
The fed doesn't have to buy all the bitcoins, or process transactions to "manage" the supply.  The fed will just need to decide what tools they have available.  They could issue bitcoin bonds the same way they issue dollar bonds, cuz what's the fricken difference?
Just one random thought, but to say the fed is managing the bitcoin supply in 10 years shouldn't be written off as quickly as all the replies here have done.
I believe it's a longer discussion.
You are exactly confirming what they said up there.
Without the 8000 tons of golds confiscated from the Americans, I doubt their bonds would have been worth so much.

The Federal Reserve can manipulate the bitcoin supply by changing the reserve requirement.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: oakpacific on November 21, 2013, 02:42:53 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...
The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.
I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.
That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.
I think you're all misreading what "managing" means.
The fed doesn't have to buy all the bitcoins, or process transactions to "manage" the supply.  The fed will just need to decide what tools they have available.  They could issue bitcoin bonds the same way they issue dollar bonds, cuz what's the fricken difference?
Just one random thought, but to say the fed is managing the bitcoin supply in 10 years shouldn't be written off as quickly as all the replies here have done.
I believe it's a longer discussion.
You are exactly confirming what they said up there.
Without the 8000 tons of golds confiscated from the Americans, I doubt their bonds would have been worth so much.

The Federal Reserve can manipulate the bitcoin supply by changing the reserve requirement.


Try to collect these reserves from people like me, who don't need banks.

Without the banks, FDR is obsolete.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: 420 on November 21, 2013, 03:11:38 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.

taking that $78,000 hit to assasinate bernanke are you?

[/not serious]


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: odolvlobo on November 21, 2013, 03:16:24 AM
Try to collect these reserves from people like me, who don't need banks.

Good luck buying a house.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: DeathAndTaxes on November 21, 2013, 03:38:44 AM
TL/DR version:  The way to "fix" a decentralized currency is to centralize it.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: knight22 on November 21, 2013, 03:40:48 AM
Try to collect these reserves from people like me, who don't need banks.

Good luck buying a house.

Wait a couple of years, you might be surprised.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: notthematrix on November 21, 2013, 04:34:09 AM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

If you want to change PI in 3.15 you can make a law but it wont happen :) , the same goes bitcoin and central bank.



Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: jojo69 on November 21, 2013, 05:10:06 AM
Try to collect these reserves from people like me, who don't need banks.

Good luck buying a house.

Wait a couple of years, you might be surprised.

no doubt, my money is (literally) on bitcoin outlasting the creature from Jekyll island


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: Ibian on November 21, 2013, 11:29:38 AM
Are we forgetting that bitcoin is worldwide? Bernanke will not be running anything.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: niothor on November 21, 2013, 11:35:23 AM
The most intelligent reply I could come reading that title.
"No it doesn't".
After that , thinking of a central banking system for bitcoin I ended up burning all my neurons .


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: NewLiberty on November 21, 2013, 12:15:44 PM
I hate to burst everyone's bubble ...

The Federal Reserve was created in 1913 to manage the U.S. money supply, and at this time, the U.S. was on a gold standard. Fractional reserve banking will make it possible for the Federal Reserve to manage the bitcoin money supply (with possibly limited success), but not in the way the author suggested.

I predict that the Federal Reserve will be managing the bitcoin money supply within 10 years.

That would be the biggest fail of bitcoin so I will personally make sure that this will never happen.

I think you're all misreading what "managing" means.

The fed doesn't have to buy all the bitcoins, or process transactions to "manage" the supply.  The fed will just need to decide what tools they have available.  They could issue bitcoin bonds the same way they issue dollar bonds, cuz what's the fricken difference?

Just one random thought, but to say the fed is managing the bitcoin supply in 10 years shouldn't be written off as quickly as all the replies here have done.

I believe it's a longer discussion.

Or a shorter one.
That isn't Bitcoin. 
Make an altcoin


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: PenAndPaper on November 21, 2013, 12:18:54 PM
Obviously the Washing Post is trolling the bitcoin community.  :P


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: silverfuture on November 21, 2013, 12:56:59 PM
Obviously the Washing Post is trolling the bitcoin community.  :P

yep


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: axus on November 21, 2013, 04:13:09 PM
Actually, consider a dystopian future; U.S. (or Chinese) Government seizes a majority of the bitcoins and builds up significant hashing power.  They accept taxes in Bitcoin, do whatever to bring them into their "strong hands".  Would you keep using bitcoin?  Assuming you can still send/receive as things work now.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: chrsjrcj on November 21, 2013, 04:35:39 PM
How is the Fed supposed to manage the bitcoin supply? Buy up 30-50% of the coins that exist? Where will they get the money?? Supply and demand would set in big time and the amount of US dollars required to buy one bitcoin would skyrocket.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: odolvlobo on November 21, 2013, 04:58:55 PM
How is the Fed supposed to manage the bitcoin supply? Buy up 30-50% of the coins that exist? Where will they get the money?? Supply and demand would set in big time and the amount of US dollars required to buy one bitcoin would skyrocket.

They can adjust the supply by changing the reserve requirement.

And that buying a large number of bitcoins to hold in reserve would be expensive is irrelevant when you can print as much money as you want. They already print more than 10 times the Bitcoin market cap every month.


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: jgarzik on November 21, 2013, 09:19:16 PM
Response: http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/11/solution-to-bitcoin-volatility.html


Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: PenAndPaper on November 22, 2013, 02:15:53 AM
Response: http://garzikrants.blogspot.com/2013/11/solution-to-bitcoin-volatility.html


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The article is tongue-in-cheek.  It immediately drew sarcastic retorts from a few in the libertarian-leaning bitcoin community.

You don't have to be a libertarian to make fun of this :

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There needs to be some kind of central institution. A bank of sorts. One with the bottomless ability to either pump extra Bitcoin into the market or suck it out, depending on what's needed to maintain stable prices.

It's the bitcoin protocol that forbids it per se.

Beside that it was a nice read.  :P



Title: Re: 2013-11-19 WashingtonPost: Bitcoin needs a central banker
Post by: Bitware on November 22, 2013, 04:30:26 AM
In 1933, US President Franklin Deleno  Roosevelt outlawed gold possession for all American citizens (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102).

The order criminalized the possession of monetary gold by any individual, partnership, association or corporation.