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Title: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 27, 2018, 01:25:21 PM
Hello bettors!

After years of research and many systems tested, i came to the conclusion that the only way to be profitable on the long term is to follow the rules strictly.

But the truth is that we're humans, it's hard to control your emotions, it's hard to bet against your heart and feeling, even though that's what the numbers says.

This is why i decided to create a fully automated system, that is capable of choosing and placing bets 24h/ 24h without human interaction.

It's all about integrating the algorithm in a program running on a Raspberry Pi (https://www.raspberrypi.org/) and use the bookmaker api to place automatically the bet.

In this way, we cut emotions, time, efforts and errors. Just a cold and scalable passive income.

THE SYSTEM

I've been using this system in the last 3 years with great success, the problem is that we need to wait for the last 5 minutes before the game starts.

Golden Rules:
1. Bet ONLY 50%-50% events. For example: Under/Over, H2H, Handicap
2. Bet ONLY  odds >= 1.8 (-125.00)
3. Bet ONLY 1 event at the time ( Single Bet, NO PARLAYS)
4. Bet ONLY 3% of your bank roll on each event.

HOW IT WORKS:
1.The system uses a combination of different algorithms depending on sport ( MLB, NBA, NHL , NFL, Tennis) and bet type (Under/Over, H2H, Handicap).
2.After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet.


Assume the system bets in average 3 events per day, with a winning rate of 60% and average odd of 2 we can estimate the profit:
 in 1 month = 90 events

With 1000$ of bankroll we have our 3% stake = 30$

60% of 90 events are wins = 54 WINS & 36 LOSS =  18units of profit * stake = 18*30= 540$ ->  first month PROFIT

That is profit worth more than half bankroll! Imagine x1.5 your bank roll every month! With a 1k$ B.R you could reach 130K$ in one year and 17 MLN $ in 2 years.
This is simply math, the system only needs a 60% winning rate.


CURRENT STATUS:

Currently i'm working on the code in my free time, but i'm very busy with work.
I'll post the bets in this thread, along with updates. I'd like to release the software for free, but i'm still unsure to how bookmakers would respond with a massive adoption of the system and i don't even know if it's all legal. I mean, using official api shouldn't be a problem but i don't think all bookmakers have them, and many of them will ban you if you win too much.


Let's see where the road leads us ...




Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: FrueGreads on April 27, 2018, 03:02:37 PM
I wish you good luck with your system but I must say I'm a little septic about it. Before I go to the question, I would like to say that I agree with you on one part at least. You must have a betting system, define a set of rules and commit to them. Also, bankroll management is a key element in betting, and your seem to be doing a fine job in those areas.

About the system itself I'm just curious about one thing. How would you guarantee you can win 60% of the times. You say:

Quote
After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet

Are you sure this is enough to guarantee you a 60% hit ratio? I would like to to explain things a little further if possible.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 27, 2018, 04:44:35 PM
I wish you good luck with your system but I must say I'm a little septic about it. Before I go to the question, I would like to say that I agree with you on one part at least. You must have a betting system, define a set of rules and commit to them. Also, bankroll management is a key element in betting, and your seem to be doing a fine job in those areas.

About the system itself I'm just curious about one thing. How would you guarantee you can win 60% of the times. You say:

Quote
After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet

Are you sure this is enough to guarantee you a 60% hit ratio? I would like to to explain things a little further if possible.

No one can guarantee a fixed hit ratio, every month is different, i remember  last year i stayed above 75 % for 2 months and the third one was unlucky with a 49% and a small loss.  And i'm talking about 200-300 bets for month with the same criteria described earlier.
Luck is always a constant but what's important is that the annual average is above 55%, i don't know why but the system seems to like Under and Underdogs  ;D


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: FrueGreads on April 28, 2018, 02:21:05 PM
No one can guarantee a fixed hit ratio, every month is different, i remember  last year i stayed above 75 % for 2 months and the third one was unlucky with a 49% and a small loss.  And i'm talking about 200-300 bets for month with the same criteria described earlier.
Luck is always a constant but what's important is that the annual average is above 55%, i don't know why but the system seems to like Under and Underdogs  ;D

Well, I agree with you on that one as well. It's impossible to guarantee a fixed hit ratio, but you did give an example of what you expect to achieve (at least that's how I understood it)

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Assume the system bets in average 3 events per day, with a winning rate of 60% and average odd of 2 we can estimate the profit:
 in 1 month = 90 events

Having a 60% win rate, with odds @2 is of course a very good profit, but I think that's quite hard to get, specially since you don't do any fundamental analysis. From what I understand "you" (the script) just do "technical analysis":
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analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet

Anyway, you said you would be posting some bets here, so I will keep following this thread to see how it goes.
As for bookies being mad with "mass betting using the system", I don't think you need to worry about that. If bookies have their book well made, they will have profit no matter the outcome, so more bets equals more profit to them.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: Don Pedro Dinero on April 28, 2018, 02:40:46 PM
I wish you good luck with your system but I must say I'm a little septic about it.

You are being very kind. His system is, quite simply, pure crap. I’ve seen quite a few of these “systems” already, based on beating the house, which, don’t work on the long-term obviously. Some of them work in the short term due to pure variance: if you get a monkey picking 50% bets with that bankroll management, by pure statistics, some of them are going to have some winning trends.

I don’t know why I lose my time with this. Well, yes, because this can mislead newbies and naive people and what OP wants is to present short-term positive results to charge people afterwards.

If the system is so good, OP doesn’t need anyone to become a millionaire. He just needs to increase his bets as bankroll increases.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on April 28, 2018, 04:18:41 PM
There are no systems that exists. Yet the only of the so called strategies working is if you have infinite bankroll and you double your bet after every loss, you use the odd at least 2 , it is called the martingale system but it won't work as betting companies have limits for max bet and we don't have an infinite bankroll. The Asian Handicap is created exactly to give the bettor a bit of edge but that is not 100% safe too and odds are usually lower than 1.8. Anyway I am curious to see your code.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: avikz on April 28, 2018, 04:47:05 PM
I must say that I am impressed with the system, especially the bankroll management done right! Also your golden rules that will help winning over odds even after factoring in 40% straight loss. However, I have question about the below feature,

Quote
HOW IT WORKS:
1.The system uses a combination of different algorithms depending on sport ( MLB, NBA, NHL , NFL, Tennis) and bet type (Under/Over, H2H, Handicap).
2.After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet.

I understand that your script is aiming to gather the data from major bookmakers on the money placed and analyze the odds. I don't think majority of the bookmakers won't allow it. So I suggest you to first get in touch with the bookmakers that you are planning to integrate in your system and then develop it. Because what I understand that your system is heavily dependent on it. It makes no sense to build a system on a data source which may not be available for the system to use. The entire project would fail. First confirm the data source, then build the system!


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: mostkey on April 28, 2018, 07:01:22 PM
this is the way I've done it before. this way is proven to be powerful and mature. but there are several phases that might lead us to losses and may not be completely smooth and if the big losses that we have not reached or the bankroll that we have limited will be one of the disadvantages for us


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 28, 2018, 09:02:40 PM
I wish you good luck with your system but I must say I'm a little septic about it.

You are being very kind. His system is, quite simply, pure crap. I’ve seen quite a few of these “systems” already, based on beating the house, which, don’t work on the long-term obviously. Some of them work in the short term due to pure variance: if you get a monkey picking 50% bets with that bankroll management, by pure statistics, some of them are going to have some winning trends.

I don’t know why I lose my time with this. Well, yes, because this can mislead newbies and naive people and what OP wants is to present short-term positive results to charge people afterwards.

If the system is so good, OP doesn’t need anyone to become a millionaire. He just needs to increase his bets as bankroll increases.


You should read first, i wrote that the system is designed to work long term and i will release it for free.
I don't care about beating the house, house always win. All i care is long term e scalable profit.
Go and take your looser talk somewhere else.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 28, 2018, 09:04:51 PM
There are no systems that exists. Yet the only of the so called strategies working is if you have infinite bankroll and you double your bet after every loss, you use the odd at least 2 , it is called the martingale system but it won't work as betting companies have limits for max bet and we don't have an infinite bankroll. The Asian Handicap is created exactly to give the bettor a bit of edge but that is not 100% safe too and odds are usually lower than 1.8. Anyway I am curious to see your code.

Yeah martingale can't work in the real world.





I must say that I am impressed with the system, especially the bankroll management done right! Also your golden rules that will help winning over odds even after factoring in 40% straight loss. However, I have question about the below feature,

Quote
HOW IT WORKS:
1.The system uses a combination of different algorithms depending on sport ( MLB, NBA, NHL , NFL, Tennis) and bet type (Under/Over, H2H, Handicap).
2.After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet.

I understand that your script is aiming to gather the data from major bookmakers on the money placed and analyze the odds. I don't think majority of the bookmakers won't allow it. So I suggest you to first get in touch with the bookmakers that you are planning to integrate in your system and then develop it. Because what I understand that your system is heavily dependent on it. It makes no sense to build a system on a data source which may not be available for the system to use. The entire project would fail. First confirm the data source, then build the system!
You're right, the odds & money movement it's critical.
This is a great hint indeed! Thank you. I'd like to make the script work with Pinnacle, in this way we can be safe from bans and limited stakes. I don't know if they have api.
But the script needs to have the most complete data available on ODDS and % of money placed.








this is the way I've done it before. this way is proven to be powerful and mature. but there are several phases that might lead us to losses and may not be completely smooth and if the big losses that we have not reached or the bankroll that we have limited will be one of the disadvantages for us

Cool, you had the same idea! Did your system make profit long term?
I agree that a long negative sequence can be dangerous, my solution is to always keep the 3% stake updated. This means that today 3% might be different than 3% of tomorrow. With a long negative sequence, stake is automatically reduced protecting the bank roll.

Variance will eventually hit you no matter what.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 28, 2018, 09:39:21 PM

Anyway, you said you would be posting some bets here, so I will keep following this thread to see how it goes.
As for bookies being mad with "mass betting using the system", I don't think you need to worry about that. If bookies have their book well made, they will have profit no matter the outcome, so more bets equals more profit to them.

Yes you're right, bookies make money both if you loose or if you win. But they prefer you to loose  ;D

Anyway, i see there were a lot of good games tonight, too bad i just came back from a party.

but found another one starting in 25 minutes:

MLB
Atlanta Braves @ Philadelphia Phillies -> Atlanta Braves @ 2.05


waiting for confirmation

EDIT: confirmed.

Good luck if anyone follows, there are more games but i need some sleep, and an automated system.  ;D


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: mostkey on April 29, 2018, 09:08:47 AM
this is the way I've done it before. this way is proven to be powerful and mature. but there are several phases that might lead us to losses and may not be completely smooth and if the big losses that we have not reached or the bankroll that we have limited will be one of the disadvantages for us

Cool, you had the same idea! Did your system make profit long term?
I agree that a long negative sequence can be dangerous, my solution is to always keep the 3% stake updated. This means that today 3% might be different than 3% of tomorrow. With a long negative sequence, stake is automatically reduced protecting the bank roll.

Variance will eventually hit you no matter what.

in the long run it is proven to pay. but you should know is, we must have some alternative gambling sites. we must have some gambling sites. so it is not recommended that we continue to play in the same casino. you have to move gambling sites every finger. because if we keep moving there, we will be detected and maybe fortunes will not get us


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 29, 2018, 09:43:02 AM
this is the way I've done it before. this way is proven to be powerful and mature. but there are several phases that might lead us to losses and may not be completely smooth and if the big losses that we have not reached or the bankroll that we have limited will be one of the disadvantages for us

Cool, you had the same idea! Did your system make profit long term?
I agree that a long negative sequence can be dangerous, my solution is to always keep the 3% stake updated. This means that today 3% might be different than 3% of tomorrow. With a long negative sequence, stake is automatically reduced protecting the bank roll.

Variance will eventually hit you no matter what.

in the long run it is proven to pay. but you should know is, we must have some alternative gambling sites. we must have some gambling sites. so it is not recommended that we continue to play in the same casino. you have to move gambling sites every finger. because if we keep moving there, we will be detected and maybe fortunes will not get us

That should be ideal, but also makes the script a lot more difficult to make.
do you know any crypto bookmaker that has all MLB games live?

 


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on April 29, 2018, 09:48:30 AM

but found another one starting in 25 minutes:

MLB
Atlanta Braves @ Philadelphia Phillies -> Atlanta Braves @ 2.05


waiting for confirmation

EDIT: confirmed.

Good luck if anyone follows, there are more games but i need some sleep, and an automated system.  ;D

And the first one enters, with 4-1 for Atlanta.

Let's keep some statistics:

W: 1 L: 0 V:0
Average ODD: 2.05
Win Rate: 100%
Profit: +31$
Bank Roll: 1031$


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on June 27, 2018, 12:05:07 AM
https://i.imgur.com/Alz3x2T.png


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on June 27, 2018, 12:58:20 AM
https://i.imgur.com/MOUOxAn.png


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on June 27, 2018, 01:08:30 AM
https://i.imgur.com/2E3gqZM.png

Under 8.5


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on June 27, 2018, 09:23:29 AM
 Unlucky 1-2. I will keep posting, the script is still in development. Obtaining the data needed is harder than expected!

W: 2 L: 2 V:0
Average ODD: 2.12
Win Rate: 50%
Profit: +7$
Bank Roll: 1007$


Notice how even with a 50% rate we're still in profit.
 ;D


 


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: Ranly123 on June 27, 2018, 09:35:28 AM
Hello bettors!

After years of research and many systems tested, i came to the conclusion that the only way to be profitable on the long term is to follow the rules strictly.

But the truth is that we're humans, it's hard to control your emotions, it's hard to bet against your heart and feeling, even though that's what the numbers says.

This is why i decided to create a fully automated system, that is capable of choosing and placing bets 24h/ 24h without human interaction.

It's all about integrating the algorithm in a program running on a Raspberry Pi (https://www.raspberrypi.org/) and use the bookmaker api to place automatically the bet.

In this way, we cut emotions, time, efforts and errors. Just a cold and scalable passive income.

THE SYSTEM

I've been using this system in the last 3 years with great success, the problem is that we need to wait for the last 5 minutes before the game starts.

Golden Rules:
1. Bet ONLY 50%-50% events. For example: Under/Over, H2H, Handicap
2. Bet ONLY  odds >= 1.8 (-125.00)
3. Bet ONLY 1 event at the time ( Single Bet, NO PARLAYS)
4. Bet ONLY 3% of your bank roll on each event.

HOW IT WORKS:
1.The system uses a combination of different algorithms depending on sport ( MLB, NBA, NHL , NFL, Tennis) and bet type (Under/Over, H2H, Handicap).
2.After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet.


Assume the system bets in average 3 events per day, with a winning rate of 60% and average odd of 2 we can estimate the profit:
 in 1 month = 90 events

With 1000$ of bankroll we have our 3% stake = 30$

60% of 90 events are wins = 54 WINS & 36 LOSS =  18units of profit * stake = 18*30= 540$ ->  first month PROFIT

That is profit worth more than half bankroll! Imagine x1.5 your bank roll every month! With a 1k$ B.R you could reach 130K$ in one year and 17 MLN $ in 2 years.
This is simply math, the system only needs a 60% winning rate.


CURRENT STATUS:

Currently i'm working on the code in my free time, but i'm very busy with work.
I'll post the bets in this thread, along with updates. I'd like to release the software for free, but i'm still unsure to how bookmakers would respond with a massive adoption of the system and i don't even know if it's all legal. I mean, using official api shouldn't be a problem but i don't think all bookmakers have them, and many of them will ban you if you win too much.


Let's see where the road leads us ...




I really don't understand how we could win 60% of the time. Maybe your system works fine but I really won't trust something like an insured win in a gambling site.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on June 27, 2018, 09:44:22 AM
Hello bettors!

After years of research and many systems tested, i came to the conclusion that the only way to be profitable on the long term is to follow the rules strictly.

But the truth is that we're humans, it's hard to control your emotions, it's hard to bet against your heart and feeling, even though that's what the numbers says.

This is why i decided to create a fully automated system, that is capable of choosing and placing bets 24h/ 24h without human interaction.

It's all about integrating the algorithm in a program running on a Raspberry Pi (https://www.raspberrypi.org/) and use the bookmaker api to place automatically the bet.

In this way, we cut emotions, time, efforts and errors. Just a cold and scalable passive income.

THE SYSTEM

I've been using this system in the last 3 years with great success, the problem is that we need to wait for the last 5 minutes before the game starts.

Golden Rules:
1. Bet ONLY 50%-50% events. For example: Under/Over, H2H, Handicap
2. Bet ONLY  odds >= 1.8 (-125.00)
3. Bet ONLY 1 event at the time ( Single Bet, NO PARLAYS)
4. Bet ONLY 3% of your bank roll on each event.

HOW IT WORKS:
1.The system uses a combination of different algorithms depending on sport ( MLB, NBA, NHL , NFL, Tennis) and bet type (Under/Over, H2H, Handicap).
2.After that it waits for the last minutes of the game's start and analyze the odds & money placed on several bookmakers to confirm the bet.


Assume the system bets in average 3 events per day, with a winning rate of 60% and average odd of 2 we can estimate the profit:
 in 1 month = 90 events

With 1000$ of bankroll we have our 3% stake = 30$

60% of 90 events are wins = 54 WINS & 36 LOSS =  18units of profit * stake = 18*30= 540$ ->  first month PROFIT

That is profit worth more than half bankroll! Imagine x1.5 your bank roll every month! With a 1k$ B.R you could reach 130K$ in one year and 17 MLN $ in 2 years.
This is simply math, the system only needs a 60% winning rate.


CURRENT STATUS:

Currently i'm working on the code in my free time, but i'm very busy with work.
I'll post the bets in this thread, along with updates. I'd like to release the software for free, but i'm still unsure to how bookmakers would respond with a massive adoption of the system and i don't even know if it's all legal. I mean, using official api shouldn't be a problem but i don't think all bookmakers have them, and many of them will ban you if you win too much.


Let's see where the road leads us ...




I really don't understand how we could win 60% of the time. Maybe your system works fine but I really won't trust something like an insured win in a gambling site.

From previous experience i know we can hit a much higher win rate.
Anyway let's reach 100 bets in here and see the statistics.  ;D


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: onnz423 on June 27, 2018, 03:03:26 PM
If it really is betting on 50/50 events, then you can expect that over the long run you will have approximately the same amount of money as you started with, so what is the point of the system in the first place, when you just end up with approximately the same amount you started with. Also, though your system shows positive results now, the sample size is very small, so it should even out eventually.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: BitcoinSupremo on June 27, 2018, 04:15:54 PM
I see this thread since April and you have only posted 4 games in total with 50% winrate. We need a lot more statistics than those to tell if your system really works in the long time or it does not. However I want to agree with your points on how to manage your bankroll and to place those kind of bets (except the odd , the user decides and should not be forced 1.8 and up) and such bankroll management can save many avid gamblers from pure misery in the long run.


Title: Re: Journey to a FULLY AUTOMATED BETTING SYSTEM - Free Picks Every Day
Post by: CryptoSparks on June 28, 2018, 10:20:09 AM
If it really is betting on 50/50 events, then you can expect that over the long run you will have approximately the same amount of money as you started with, so what is the point of the system in the first place, when you just end up with approximately the same amount you started with. Also, though your system shows positive results now, the sample size is very small, so it should even out eventually.
You're right, but if the system is good enough to stay above 55%, you do 1.5X every month, betting at least 3 games per day on average

I see this thread since April and you have only posted 4 games in total with 50% winrate. We need a lot more statistics than those to tell if your system really works in the long time or it does not. However I want to agree with your points on how to manage your bankroll and to place those kind of bets (except the odd , the user decides and should not be forced 1.8 and up) and such bankroll management can save many avid gamblers from pure misery in the long run.

Yes we're only at 4 bets, it's hard for me to check bets manually, furthermore when MLB plays is 3 a.m for me in Italy.
The data i need for the script is encrypted, but i will solve this problem.