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If there's anything that's more disappointing than the innumerable alts that exist on this forum, it is the merit system!
When the Merit system was announced initially, I was really looking forward to it since it would have helped me differentiate myself from the majority of the shitposters that exist here. I saw it as an opportunity to rank up by writing quality posts, but even after being a regular and efficient poster, I haven't received any merit.
The funny part? The majority of the people who have it are either mere shitposters who end up receiving merit from their alts or close friends, or the campaign managers who get merited by desperate bounty hunters on the day they send payments or when they announce a new campaign.
What is the fun of having such a system in place where merits no longer carry any sort of credibility and are just freely given away for no apparent reason?!
I saw a one liner post by Lauda which received 50 merits from aTriz, a 7 word post from a user which received 5 merits from Pharmacist and innumerable other similar examples.
Almost everyone on this forum is misusing it. Hardly do I ever see a good post being merited.

Another thing that surprises me is that a lot of users have some special affinity for Yahoo. So many of them are busy licking his balls and worshipping him. The majority of people that he has accepted in his own signature campaign are actually the worst shitposters I have seen around with absolutely no command over English grammar whatsoever.

I wish there was a better system in place compared to the Merit system. It makes it near impossible to ever rank up on this forum.

P.S - Before you call me a hypocrite, I do not support alts. I made this account just to vent out my frustration. I was and shall always be a trusted member of the community.

Belongs in Meta, not Reputation.

Also, ranking up doesn't matter to anyone who just wants to contribute to the forum. To which a lot say they do... but still complain about merit.

You do not get to decide for others what they are going to merit, especially not for more notable names. Due to this self-entitled bullshit from account farming buffoons, I am almost never giving out merit to people who need it to rank up (regardless of the "worthiness" of their post).

Evident liars.

I can't believe this! This is outrages and Pharmacist has to be punished for this!
And that other guy too! I bet he has merited even shorter post!
You posted from new account because you don't support alts?  :-\
Perhaps if you post this from your real account, someone will notice you and send you few merits  ;)

I do not have anything against you, but this just shows your double standards, Lauda! Beats the purpose of having a merit system in place if "notable" names like you are going to misuse it. I have done everything possible (ethically) to earn merits, but it just doesn't happen.
Exactly what I have been complaining about. There is no possible way for a full member like me to ever rank up on this forum! Shouldn't it be a task of "notable" names like you to actually merit the people who are writing "worthy" posts in order to encourage others to do the same?

That's not how trust works. Or hypocrisy.

You're a worthless shitposter despite your somewhat passable English. Feel free to prove me wrong by logging into your real account.

I think we need to list all the constructive (!) messages those already published from the members who are against the merit system. Then publish it in a new topic so that all those merit haters can hang up with each others and continue their crying LOL

Why can't these people see that shitposting before merit system and shitposting now has changed dramatically. Every system will have system lose, just accept it and look towards the better picture.

Just because you do not get merit does not mean it has no credibility whatsoever.

Update:
He won't, may be he is another one of those spammers of bounty hunting group - fearing to get caught and receive negTrust from the DT members

@suchmoon you might be looking for gilad215 (http://archive.is/frcxc#selection-263.0-263.8) user  ;D


gilad215 is a full member. Notice the local time of gilad215 (http://archive.is/frcxc#selection-263.0-263.8) and Fluffybeans (http://archive.is/lHaBm#selection-263.0-263.11) and last login time as well.

The message was just under Jet Cash's comment (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3441052.msg35895390#msg35895390) only for few minutes before user gilad215 removed it. Was saying about the amount of merits I received talking about merit. He was claiming 90% of my merits came from talking about merit.

I see you are spamming the forum with bounty posts (http://archive.is/PL6EK). Is that what you did to earn your merit from the full member account?

Guess what! May be more than 60% if not 90% of my merits came from talking about merit but fact is I earned them. I put my effort and time for a good movement. I don't spam for bounty hunting for some worthless tokens.

You are right suchmoon, this is a worthless shitposter

Everything written here is wrong. Nobody has an obligation to merit anyone, and it is up to them to decide how they're going to handle it. Actual abuse would be meriting your alts or selling the points. What you are complaining about has nothing to do with abuse.

Shouldn't it be a task of "not-notable" names like you to pay some "notable" names like me a hourly rate of $250 to waste my life reading your shitposts in order to figure out what might be worth meriting (and thus act accordingly)? [1]

I called it already for what it is. The forum has unfortunately become infested with people of this type. You keep giving, and they keep asking for more without ever giving something back. Participating in the merit system in a certain way is not, and can never be an obligation.

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[1] Don't get your hopes up, this is not a real question (hence the absurd h.rate) but only biased baboons could think that it is.

Hm.
I was thinking about Moufidoff (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2976761.msg30704116#msg30704116) and post from topic on page #35 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=24.1360) and similar complain.
But also, he could be anyone  :-\ I won't break my head too much because of this, it's just another whining merit topic ::) So sad.

wow 20 merits for the post  (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=727374.msg8265511#msg8265511)from 2014 excellent.... good going members

https://i.imgur.com/dVwzuE1l.png

Well I'm not against merit system not at all... I'm and will always be in favor of merit system but yes some people's behavior need to be changed.

Merit were intended to be for high-quality posts

You are missing bigger picture.

You must be referring to this post:

I don't often give out as many merits for posts, but this was in the first month or so of the merit system and I thought marlboroza's post summed up my thoughts exactly, and that's why I gave him 5 merits.  Sometimes that happens, but if you take a look at the merits I've left you'll see that this instance was an anomaly and not good evidence that the merit system isn't worthwhile, isn't working, or is corrupt.

As an aside, why did you feel the need to make a new account just to vent about the merit system?  I can't imagine anyone would criticize you for doing that, nor leave you negative feedback.

I respect Yahoo62278 and we've done a deal together that turned out positively, and he's always treated me well--in that deal and in the Bitdouble sig campaign when I was in that.  I would agree with you, however, that he's accepting a lot of shitposters into his campaigns lately.  That's unfortunate, but he might be getting pressure from whoever owns the businesses that form the basis of those campaigns.  Who knows.

I have to agree with you on the first part.  However, I would argue that what we have now is still much, much better than what we had before, which put up zero obstacles to shitposters and account farmers ranking up.  The merit system isn't perfect by any means, but at least Theymos did something.  Don't know if you were around in 12/2017 to 1/2018, but actmyname and I had been added to DT and were red-tagging shitposters, and you should have seen Meta in those days.  Every other thread was by someone complaining about their trust page.  It was a pain in the ass, took a lot of time, and it wasn't a good use of the trust system.  I'm glad we've got this system now.

OP, have you asked merit sources to review your posts? if they refused to merit your posts, start a thread with your posts as reference and then name merit sources who refused to merit you. theymos doesn't have the time to check if sources are distributing their source sMerits all the time.

Asking for merits from sources is not begging, it is a contribution.

Do we know who the merit sources are then?

We do not, but you can make some educated guesses based on this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=topsendat. However, down in the 1-3 hundred range you can't be sure in cases where the user has received a lot of merit.

If we really think the post has the quality and enough to give the assistance for the op. Then we can share the merits, but some people are using the merit system to use on their own altcoins like merit abusing as I believe.
Trusted people like you should take action against on those merit abusers. I am not whether it is relay on forum rules. If it is not in the list guys like you please tag them for forum's wellness.

I see VOD's signature today. It also have the list for top merits, top trusted and most merit sender and etc. That is better than the link you given I believe. Thanks.

This was my reason

Seems like one or some posts were deleted in-between my two posts (https://prnt.sc/jcarhn).

Anyway it does not matter, who cares lol

I am not trying to support OP, but he got some point about Merit system. Every section seems have it's own standard for "quality post". You will see some shitpost in Altcoin section getting merit, just because it support the merit sender's opinion. Or some bounty managers get ton of merittls just because he/she send the payment on-time. And Yet, they are not abusing the merit system, because the receiver do not beg for merit, and the sender don't get anything for giving merit.

I don't say that merit system is bad, this forum really need this kind of system. But somehow it still has many flaws

Those are valid concerns and need to be addressed by the admin in future updates. We should still give it some time as I think the merit system is quite new.

Members sending merits to campaign mangers just for impressing them is a big problem. Greed is an obvious human behavior and some will always act based on that. However, note that some of the campaign mangers make excellent posts as well, in fact one is even among the top merited embers here.

Huh! are you serious ? You just signed up and you are talking about merit? Please take some time and observe then give your views.

There are no "valid" concerns about the merit system - other than the number of merit sources being low. But this will increase graduually and I am sure the forum posts with bullshit threads about merit begging will be reduced them, not stopped - because we always have some crybabies.

Giving merit to some post - its dependent on what the person thinks as merit worthy. This idea varies among everyone. Although some ANN or Bounty thread is a waste of merit.

Thats true but irrelevant here unless you are trying to prove some point?

I highlt doubt that the people who are mostly involved in the bounty section as "excellent posters" - But those managing bitcoin signature campaigns, many of them are good posters.

And why should I believe that you are and "shall always be a trusted member of the community"?
If you are such a great poster and trusted member of the community why would you start a newbie account?
Why won't you post on your "real" account?

More than anything, it seems like you are making an alt, posting something that you hope will get merit, so you can give smerit back to your main account.

Yes, it is hard to get merit and a lot of people abuse the system, you can join the literally thousands of posts whining about merit but not offering anything that is meritable.
Or, if you are really that desperate for merit (why would you be unless you are trying to make profit off the forum?), why don't you do what others do to get more?
Why won't you adapt to the situation before you?

The system is new, and will take time to see how it changes (or doesn't change) the forum.
Before any changes can be made to it, it needs to run its course.

Me personally, I don't see merit as a big deal.
I haven't seen that it lessens the amount of spam and I see that merit is given out randomly and abusively.
Well, of course it wouldn't work as intended, this is an open forum on the wonderful world of the internet, you expect people to behave and act civilized?