Title: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: ballexplorer on May 02, 2018, 12:26:59 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined.
How are the transactions then confirmed? Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: cryptohunter on May 02, 2018, 12:41:31 PM bitcoin will have moved to pos by then.......... dont worry about it since you will be less worried by then too i expect
there are tx fees left to allocate after mining is done Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: butka on May 02, 2018, 12:42:10 PM The idea is that once the majority of bitcoins are mined, the sum of the transaction fees collected in a newly mined block would be enough to cover for the mining reward. It is not an unrealistic scenario given the current transaction fees.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: bitmover on May 02, 2018, 01:58:04 PM Theoretically there will not be any big difference (like changing to pos or anything like that).
As butka said, transaction fees will be enough for the miners. As halving is already going on, block reward is not that high as it used to be, and we didn't moved to PoS. As 2140 is a very distant future, by 2021 block reward is going to halve again. That will be an interesting moment to watch. Probably price will go up as there will be less bitcoins going to exchanges. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: ballexplorer on May 02, 2018, 11:12:16 PM Theoretically there will not be any big difference (like changing to pos or anything like that). As butka said, transaction fees will be enough for the miners. As halving is already going on, block reward is not that high as it used to be, and we didn't moved to PoS. As 2140 is a very distant future, by 2021 block reward is going to halve again. That will be an interesting moment to watch. Probably price will go up as there will be less bitcoins going to exchanges. I also see that the price of the BTC could rise, if their will be less BTC going to the exchanges and the BTC will be shortage Whether the transaction fees then for the miners sufficient, will show. Unfortunately, the miners have had disputes in the past because of the amount of transaction fees. That's why we already had some hard forks with the well-known result. I also like the BTC as a payment coin. He is a piece of personal freedom for me. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Kjara on May 02, 2018, 11:52:45 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? Something tells me that it will happen in some popular museum, where visitors will be able to explore the evolution of money from seashells to the Bitcoin. ::) Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: mast3rm1nd on May 03, 2018, 12:18:25 AM we will be dead so it's not our problem ?? it's our kids' problem lol. I read somewhere that the transaction fees will cover the reward for mining. and that is interesting to see because the mining reward keeps getting small and the transaction fees are big as they are so maybe there will be a compromise somehow.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: amishmanish on May 03, 2018, 03:50:39 AM By 2140, Most small transactions should have migrated to using some variation of a second-layer solution like LN. Most on-chain settlements would be bigger transactions for which the parties will be willing to pay a good amount as fees for confirmations.
If sufficient distribution and decentralization could be ensured, we would have moved to a more open and free market with little scope for political motives determining availability of economic opportunities to people and countries. People would be much freer to monetize their skills if they choose to from any corner of the world. People would also be free to do more good for the poor. We will probably have a sharing economy. Mining hardware would be advanced enough for anyone to contribute to the network without worrying about breaking even. The selfish motive would be replaced by a different understanding of what money is. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: bjmpoker001 on May 03, 2018, 06:56:23 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? if bitcoin fully mined in 2140, then it still have a long time. when bitcoin circulation cannot be added more, the value of bitcoin will more and more expensive. but who gonna hold bitcoin for 100 years more ? we all could sell it in the future. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: franky1 on May 03, 2018, 07:03:04 AM here is how the block rewards change over time
but anyway for mathematical purposes year* reward 2009 50.00000000 2013 25.00000000 2017 12.50000000 2021 6.25000000 2025 3.12500000 2029 1.56250000** 2033 0.78125000 2037 0.39062500 2041 0.19531250 2045 0.09765625 2049 0.04882813 2053 0.02441406 2057 0.01220703 2061 0.00610352 2065 0.00305176 2069 0.00152588 2073 0.00076294 2077 0.00038147 2081 0.00019073 2085 0.00009537 2089 0.00004768 2093 0.00002384 2097 0.00001192 2101 0.00000596 2105 0.00000298 2109 0.00000149 2113 0.00000075 2117 0.00000037 2121 0.00000019 2125 0.00000009 2129 0.00000005 2133 0.00000002 2137 0.00000001 2141 0.00000000 **based purely on current fees per block(~1.5btc).. we could see the importance of reward:fee flip to fee:reward happening around 2029 where pools care less about the reward and care more about fees the pools will continue to mine blocks because they get paid via fee's from transactions *note dates are variable because blocks are not solved at exact times of 10 minutes(2016/fortnight) for instance the january 2013 halving actually happened in november 2012 and the 2017 halving happened in july 2016. the next halving is ETA'd for May 2020(not jaanuary 2021) Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: levvv on May 03, 2018, 09:39:42 AM bitcoin will have moved to pos by then.......... dont worry about it since you will be less worried by then too i expect there are tx fees left to allocate after mining is done i dont get it. moving it from POW to POS is still useless because it has been fully mined, ins't it ? the coin circulation cannot increased anymore. mining bitcoin will never exist again. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: batang_bitcoin on May 03, 2018, 09:43:51 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. Miners will still do the job and they will now mine to confirm transactions and they'll earn through the tx fees. Read these articles for better understanding.How are the transactions then confirmed? What Happens to Bitcoin After All 21 Million are Mined? (https://www.investopedia.com/news/what-happens-bitcoin-after-all-21-million-are-mined/) What Happens to Bitcoin Miners When all Coins are Mined? (https://news.bitcoin.com/what-happens-bitcoin-miners-all-coins-mined/) Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: ladydark on May 03, 2018, 10:10:29 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. Yes after 2140,there would be no more blocks to mine bitcoin and hence there would be no more rewards for miners for confirming transactions.At such a condition,transaction fee would be increased for miners as a compensation for the miners to keep the process ongoing.How are the transactions then confirmed? Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: walemil on May 03, 2018, 10:14:02 AM I have been meaning to ask similar question since but I didn't let it bother me much because we will all be gone by then. All I know is that this will push up the price of Bitcoin due to scarcity. I also agree more with the fact that once the majority of bitcoins are mined, the sum of the transaction fees collected in a newly mined block would be enough to cover for the mining reward. It will be interesting to see more views on this.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: butka on May 03, 2018, 10:32:50 AM Yes after 2140,there would be no more blocks to mine bitcoin and hence there would be no more rewards for miners for confirming transactions. In fact there will still be blocks to mine, because without new blocks there would be no possibility to record new transactions in the blockchain. However, there will be no reward in the form of coinbase transaction (the first transaction in the block included by the miner to collect the block reward). There will only be a reward as a sum of all transaction fees included in the newly mined block.Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: charlotte04 on May 03, 2018, 10:36:55 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? You are worrying much my friend. At least if all of the Bitcoin are mined then by the time that it happens then you are already rich. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: JoshuaBlack1 on May 03, 2018, 10:38:57 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? Ye I can imagine it switching over to POS as an option but there is also an option to tip when a miner decides to mine a block. I can see this tipping implementation along with transaction fees as being sufficient enough to incentivise miners to secure the network Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Tankdestroyer on May 03, 2018, 10:41:13 AM Miners will still do the job and they will now mine to confirm transactions and they'll earn through the tx fees. Read these articles for better understanding. Will miners continue to mine bitcoin after that? Will mining still be profitable? Will miners used in mining evolve to consume less electricity and make mining profitable with fees in the future? How will miners survive with tx fees? I doubt miners will still do the job if these questions are still questioned 50 years from now. I also think that instead of earning through tx fees alone, there would be methods invented to make mining profitable again before all bitcoins are mined in 2140.Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: cioloxl on May 03, 2018, 10:44:34 AM bitcoin will have moved to pos by then.......... dont worry about it since you will be less worried by then too i expect Less worried due to sleeping 6 feet under. Jokes aside, if bitcoin is to survive as global uncensorable cash by 2140, it will have to undergo transformations that might not seem realistic today. I get the feeling that today bitcoin is not treated with the respect it's due. The vibe I get from interacting with somewhat knowledgeable individuals on this matter is somewhat derogatory. They are viewing as an amateur product with lots of hype behind it. And to be honest, the petty politics plaguing the space are not helping. there are tx fees left to allocate after mining is done Bitcoin will have to change into something user friendly, but professional. I don't know how else to put it, other than making a simple analogy: most people see bitcoin like a young skater with decent talent. Older folk tend to look down on him, cause they don't understand him. They don't think and honestly don't care if he ends up famous because of what he does. In order to appeal to this category of people, Bitcoin will have to be able to wear a suit and tie, at least from time to time. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: angelakrasnova on May 03, 2018, 02:01:51 PM The last bitcoin will be produced much earlier than expected, there are 4,000,000 bitcoins left, so that there will be changes in the coming years, but the consequences will be unclear
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Gontxi on May 03, 2018, 02:11:54 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? I don't understand this question. but what I think for you, the question is, are you still there in 2140? we will never know what will happen in the future. and until now bitcoin still has not reached its maximum supply, in other words can still be mined. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Corsicoin on May 03, 2018, 02:16:26 PM This won't be any of your priority I guess.
If it's on a curiosity purpose, you can count on a POS switch! Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: werner52911 on May 03, 2018, 10:22:42 PM @ballexplorer: A good question is: If many people have to think about it.
I too have thought about it, even if it is still a long way off. But after all, it is also a question of the conception of the BTC and therefore the question is justified. With our current understanding of the BTC Blockchain, there will still be blocks in many years to be entered in the transactions and confirmed. There will then be transaction fees for the miners. @batang_bitcoin: Thanks for the link @amishmanish: I like your thoughts on distribution and decentralization. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: kaneeda on May 03, 2018, 11:01:00 PM Or maybe quantum computing will mine all before 2038
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Raggie on May 04, 2018, 03:58:07 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? well, if many peoples still use bitcoin, then bitcoin price will more spiking at that time because bitcoin circulation cannot increased anymore. bitcoin demands can increase, but bitcoin supply cannot increase. resulting a very expensive price in coin. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: batang_bitcoin on May 04, 2018, 07:12:47 AM Miners will still do the job and they will now mine to confirm transactions and they'll earn through the tx fees. Read these articles for better understanding. [1]Will miners continue to mine bitcoin after that? [2]Will mining still be profitable? [3]Will miners used in mining evolve to consume less electricity and make mining profitable with fees in the future? [4]How will miners survive with tx fees? I doubt miners will still do the job if these questions are still questioned 50 years from now. I also think that instead of earning through tx fees alone, there would be methods invented to make mining profitable again before all bitcoins are mined in 2140.[2] Yes [3] We don't know what the future lies ahead. [4] They are already surviving today so by that time they can still but we don't have to think about it anyway, it's a century before it happens. @batang_bitcoin: Thanks for the link You're welcome.Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Barbut on May 04, 2018, 07:24:28 AM Or maybe quantum computing will mine all before 2038 Maybe, technology is advancing with great speed. I think nobody can`t claim nothing at this point, even until 2038 there is 20 years left, many things can happen in that time. What is interesting for me is how people are accepting bitcoin and blockchain technology I`m sure that the same will be with quantum computing, people first doubt in it, then they will test it, then so many lies will be spread how its used by criminals and terrorists, etc. So even if it comes in 2038 it will take years to be accepted.About 2140 I don`t know what to say, why would we even think about that. Nobody from here now will not be alive in that time, how much we are destroying this country every year its a question will whole world exist in that time, bitcoin is irrelevant. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Kethek on May 04, 2018, 07:56:16 AM maybe in the year 2140 bitcoin has reached the limit of 21 million and can no longer in the mine bitcoin become scarce in the market and the price is very expensive $ 1,000,000 for 1 bitcoin :o
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: ballexplorer on May 09, 2018, 06:25:54 AM I would like to thank all users who posted their opinion in this Tread.
It is very interesting to read the different opinions. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: fargoway on May 09, 2018, 06:31:12 AM It's too early to seriously guess what will happen after such long period of time. Paying attention that cryptoworld is a part of a real world and there might be significant changes - we simply cannot predict future of Bitcoin as it depends on a lot of things.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: jhonnydeep87 on May 10, 2018, 06:50:48 PM I know this will raise the price of bitcoin because of scarcity. I also agree with the fact that the majority of bitcoin is mined and the amount of transaction costs collected in the newly mined blocks will be enough to cover the payoff, will appeal to more views on this subject. 8)
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Mamoot on May 10, 2018, 08:34:29 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? There are 2 first arguments, some say that miners will be forced away from the rewards of the blocks they receive for their work once the supply of Bitcoin has reached 21 million. In this case, these miners may need to rely on transaction costs to maintain their operations. Miners will then find inaccessible processes, leading to miners being depleted, the Bitcoin network concentration process, and many of the negative effects that occur on the Bitcoin system, transaction costs alone will not be enough to keep Bitcoin miners financially dissolved once the mining process is over. On the other hand, there is reason to believe that transaction costs and mining costs will actually increase in the future. The mining chip will be small and very efficient. This will reduce the burden placed on the miners and allow mining to be activities that have lower initial cost. And transaction costs can increase, so this can help miners to stay afloat. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: 9jaflick on May 10, 2018, 10:16:30 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. miners will still be around, it just that there won't be block-rewards for miners anymore, only tx reward ( transaction fee reward ).How are the transactions then confirmed? Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: EEEian on May 10, 2018, 10:19:44 PM Is there something I'm not getting here.When there is no more bitcoins to mine,how are you going to create any more blocks in the chain?
If I understood the payment system correctly, more blocks have to be generated in order to verify the correctness of all payments.But as we approach the last bitcoins to be mined the number of hashes required to find a block will approach inifinity.When all the bitcoins have been mined you will have the equivalent of division by 0? Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Joyeeta on May 10, 2018, 10:20:23 PM It will mean Bitcoin price will sky rocket due to less supply as more and more people will want to have a piece of bitcoin. It will be very rare coin and will be hard to get.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: forumsehat on May 10, 2018, 11:03:29 PM Most people do not know what will happen after the bitcoin runs out at the mine which is estimated to be exhausted by 2140, and we certainly will not live that time of year, but I think it will run automatically in confirmation.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: FurDich on May 16, 2018, 01:50:07 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. What a long years my friend.I dont know whats happening in that stage of crypto currency when its high or low.But for now i will focused on what I can do to expand my profits.How are the transactions then confirmed? Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: biksa on May 16, 2018, 02:22:13 PM By 2140, we will no longer be alive, even our children will die too, so what's the difference with bitcoin? :) For a whole century with little, the world will change, not to mention the mining of bitcoin.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: boksoon on May 16, 2018, 02:30:53 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? Very good question sir, you can just magine your country on where you belong have a lots of coins money or paper money why is it that sometime money on the floor are limited and minimal? that supposedly stocks circulated are volume Because of own machine to be use to create that kind of money, why they create a new volume of stocks?. That is also the future of bitcoin if all stocks are mined by miner. The founder of bitcoin which is until now he is unknown person, i think he will give an additional bitcoin for us without prior notice. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: ballexplorer on May 22, 2018, 11:14:05 AM I found an interesting article on BTC-Echo on this topic.
Below the link Itīs in german languages https://www.btc-echo.de/was-passiert-wenn-der-letzte-bitcoin-gemined-ist/ Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: musta5a on May 22, 2018, 11:26:19 AM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? I see no reason why should I be worried about this, neither my children :) by that time, Earth might not even exist anymore, seeing the way this civilization is progressing... Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Lehbane on May 22, 2018, 11:38:49 AM Well, in that case, I believe that one ICO project will develop another good project wherein their coin is only acquired by mining and not buying, but they need a hell of a plan to come up with a good result.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: kucritt on May 22, 2018, 11:49:10 AM it just only 4 Million to mined, maybe its not last up to 2140 maybe it just 10 years again? after that maybe bitcoin price will be rising up if bitcoin still popular and maybe it will makes changes orthey will makes another child coin like BCH to be mined and of couse the price is lower than bitcoin
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: Voodont on May 24, 2018, 01:59:15 PM What happens in 2140 when the last BTC was mined with the confirmations of the transactions in the blocks and thus with the block rewards. There should not be more BTC than Rewards, because 21 Mill BTC were gemined. How are the transactions then confirmed? In theory transaction fees will "reward" the miners, but unless computers become smaller, faster, and smarter, then I doubt there will be any profit in this. One solution to this is to move over to a proof of stake system, but then again, how will this really effect Bitcoin prices? 2140 is a long time away... Its hard to say how many advancements there will be. Perhaps there will be a whole new system altogether. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: sakuragi21 on May 24, 2018, 02:09:42 PM if that's the year I'm sure million is a bitcoin because bitcoin will get an update every year so you know that bitcoin price is too high for that year so it's best to store bitcoin so it will not override the latter and stock it in your wallet for your future
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: onurgozupek on May 24, 2018, 02:22:37 PM Miners will have to continue mining for transaction confirmations. Transactions written in a block will still need to be confirmed by miners. Indeed mining will not be profitable but I think at least pools will continue to run Bitcoin miners.
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: evanstinger on May 24, 2018, 02:53:27 PM we will be dead so it's not our problem ?? it's our kids' problem lol. I read somewhere that the transaction fees will cover the reward for mining. and that is interesting to see because the mining reward keeps getting small and the transaction fees are big as they are so maybe there will be a compromise somehow. Hahahaha ;D I like your way of thinking (and sense of humour maybe), yes it could be our kids or grandkids' problem. But, yeah it wouldn't matter anymore, at that era, BTC may be 100x worth than today, the transaction fees will be enough for mining rewards. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: iyemroker on June 08, 2018, 05:04:32 AM maybe what happens is Bitcoin very diebut kan once by the public, because the stock is up and can be in the expensive its the price.
believe Bitcoin will be like this going up and down for a matter of price even though Bitcoin is gone in the mine. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: jurelmartin on June 08, 2018, 05:24:35 AM Miners will still have a task to do but that time they will not do mathematical problems to solve and rewards them a bitcoin but instead they will just do confirmations pf transactions around the blockchain and the reward that they will recieve is from the tx fees
Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: jrrsparkles on June 08, 2018, 05:32:48 AM we will be dead so it's not our problem ?? it's our kids' problem lol. I read somewhere that the transaction fees will cover the reward for mining. and that is interesting to see because the mining reward keeps getting small and the transaction fees are big as they are so maybe there will be a compromise somehow. Hahahaha ;D I like your way of thinking (and sense of humour maybe), yes it could be our kids or grandkids' problem. But, yeah it wouldn't matter anymore, at that era, BTC may be 100x worth than today, the transaction fees will be enough for mining rewards. Title: Re: What happend 2140 all BTC are mined Post by: appleyard on June 08, 2018, 05:43:54 AM I dont think there is problem with the confirmation after bitcoin reached the max cap. 21 million btc. The good thing here is the price will rise because of the demand will become high and the supply will become limitted. So we better hold till we reached the max cap then we will see what will happen to bicoin.
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