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It's no secret that most people in this forum, intend to seek revenue on this forum. One of them is by following the Signature Campaign. Maybe that's not something wrong, but the wrong is the person who misuses this forum by creating a double account. As a result a lot of spam and shitpost in this forum. >:(

What do you think? Is multiply account the wrong thing? How do we stop it? Does the system in this forum have anything to change? ???

It's not against the forum rules to have multiple accounts here, but I agree it's a problem when done industrially and most people who sign up to the forum these days probably do so with multiple accounts which has lead to things like the merit system being introduced. You can't really stop the practice and hence why people are allowed multiple accounts, but I think charging a substantial fee for the ability to have a signature would put a stop to farming but I doubt it will be implemented.

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i agree with that. because, i had my own account here, and working account too

There must have been a good reason/reasons for having multiple account. Whatever the reason is (which I do not know) as long as you do not involved with abusing the forum rule then I do not see any problem. It's a platform own by a person or group of people for a bigger/greater cause. When you are on to something big there will be other people who will try to take advantage from it for their own interest. So no wonder these bad people will be here too. Now us who are with the good cause we will make sure we are giving our contributions to make it a better place.

Multiple accounts get red tagged by DT team, but you won't get banned for it. Unless you exchange merits and spam (account farming). Moderators here are not so strict and you need a damn good reason for permaban. Meta board is full of multiple accounts cases, many of them dealt by DT. I wish ICO team stay away from people with negative trust leaving room for honest BH. But most of them gladly accept high-rank members with negative trust or even let them manage bounties.

Exactly.

Multiple accounts aren't wrong, some people just use alternate accounts for multiple valid reasons. For example trying to ask questions or post things that would make you think of your own privacy. Specifically, when posting concerns/reports about some certain users. Posting with your original account may lead to other member(s) threatening you.

The real problem in the forum are not the multiple accounts, but the multiple (infinite) shitposters and scammers. Just take a walk in the Bitcoin Discussion board, and you will discover how the 99% of the answers to any topic are not related at all, but single lines with no content in a search of gaining activity. The same on many other boards.
Besides, the alts are also in many "farming" activities, sending merits from one to another in order to rank up. But there are also people with alts accounts making some productive activities in here. So the problem, once more, is not how many accounts do you have but how you use them, and with what end.

Double accounts, as you say, it is the most primitive thing here. I've seen a case when one person had 14 (!) profiles on the forum, normally he was banned. All those people who have many accounts on the forum are simply making money from different kinds of campaigns, but their life on the forum can't be long, with time such accounts got tracked and all of them get banned as far as I know.

That's not necessarily true.  DT will tag alt accounts only if they're engaged in cheating a campaign, scamming, or using those accounts in some other nefarious way.  But simply having an alt account--or even many alt accounts--won't earn negative trust just for that. 

The issue with having multiple accounts is that, when combined with a lot of people's poor grasp of English, it leads to a lot of spammy posts.  Even if one person enters his alt accounts into separate campaigns and isn't cheating, the forum gets flooded with a lot of garbage.  The cryptopussies guy I caught recently was writing a number of posts in the altcoin section, and in any given thread he'd post in clusters with his alt accounts.  You think you're reading multiple people's thoughts on a topic, but in reality it's one person.  I tagged those alt accounts because he was spamming the forum.

If multiple accounst are allowed why would DTs tagged them as spammers i dont see the point because multiple means = too many,more than one posters,why wouldnt you expect these people not to spam their multiple accounts?if im not mistaken some of these red tagged accounts didnt cheat in bounties though they have spammed in one thread (which i think is much better than spamming all the threads in the alt discussions) .If multiple accounts are allowed,why would these accounts be tagged as spamming as we all know more people will result into more posts = spams regardless if these posts are informative or shitposts.

IMO,spam wont stop if the multiple accounts are allowed or if the signatures wont stop.Theymos doesnt care about the spam as he knows signatures are causing it ,do you think he doesnt know the root of the problem? he is a smart person why would these DT members cares about something that the owner of this forum doesnt care about ???

Doesnt make sense,because those who got red tagged wont stop creating accounts so if i were a DT member i wont red tagged them,first give them instead a warning,if they did spam again or cheat in the bounties,they should be banned permanently that way these people trying to earn money will still have a second chance after.I pity those accounts that were red tagged by mistake if theres any,given that DT members wont be 100% sure about these accounts.

Well, I would argue that Theymos is free to stop DT members from tagging anyone, at any time, but he hasn't yet.  I've read a lot of his posts, and he is indeed a very smart individual.

Are you seriously suggesting DT members issue warnings about...spamming, I think is what you're suggesting?  I don't routinely tag shitposters or even spammers, though I've done so in the past.  I recently tagged a series of accounts that was particularly bad, but in general I don't.  But do you think any DT member is going to want to issue a warning and then have to follow up to see that no spamming is occurring?   Nobody has that much time in a day, I'm afraid, nor do I think warnings would be effective.  These bounty shitposters are weasels as far as I'm concerned, and they'll do anything to continue their transgressions against the forum. 

The only thing you'll get is a lot of incoherent pleading, denial, and rationalizing, much like a child will do when he's caught in his sister's panty drawer by mom.  And at this point the problem is so rampant that nothing short of a big, bright red mark on a trust page will have any effect.

Yeah but the question is why did you gave second chances to those people which you tagged from the past as a shitposters? i saw you have given a lot of neutral to the shitposters,and now you are saying that guy with has alts accounts did violate the forum terms,by spamming in threads with his alt accounts? i dont see any point,shitposters are good to you but those spamming alts should be tagged? as we all know there no restrictions with the alt accounts (means spams doesnt have restrictions too) because if there is theymos can easily get rid of the spam by removing the signatures which is the main source of these spams.

Everybody deserves a second chance,why would we give these people second chances especially those were tagged that didnt scam people,or cheat in bounties.In my humble opinion it is better to give those shitposters red tags compare to those people who has alt accounts as you have neutralized shitposters in your trust summary.I am not defending anyone but the point is that you gave them redflags for having alt accounts/spams you are literally giving them good reason to create more accounts  :-\

EDITED : i have 5 alts accounts but i have joined different campaigns,that doesnt qualify me as a cheater, spammer maybe as sometimes i ve been posting in the same threads to get the required bounty posts requirements.

What a ridiculous statement.  Just because the rules allow people to have multiple accounts does not mean spamming is OK...

Spamming is against forum rules, having multiple accounts is not.  What about these statements is hard to understand or contradictory??

I didn't give them second chances.  I would have left my negative trust on all those idiots, except that was before the merit system was introduced, and before Theymos made it clear that he didn't want people tagged for shitposting.  I was basically told by Blazed to change those negs to neutral at the request of Theymos.

The accounts I've tagged recently weren't just shitposting, but spamming, and they employed alt accounts to give the impression that there were multiple people posting within a given thread, and was repeated in several threads (that I noticed).   I wasn't searching for alt accounts before; I was identifying single accounts making really lousy posts and tagging them accordingly.

I don't know if your beef is because one of your accounts got tagged, and I suppose I'll never know, but this underscores the toxicity of shitposters having alt accounts.  If you and everyone else could write meaningful posts, this wouldn't be a problem at all.  If everyone with dozens of accounts wrote posts like nullius, no one would give it a second thought.

This is more ridiculous,you are fighting spams while you are allowing signatures which is the main source of spams  ::)
i am just exressing thoughts,what i have said are facts. Now if you are pissed feel free to perma ban this account.

That nullius guy is indeed knows a lot,but most of the people here are still learning as you have said theymos requested it to be neutralized it only means that shitposting or we should say spamming are okay with him.Didnt shitposting is the same with spamming? if you are spamming you are literally shitposting,shitposting/spamming or whatsoever.

If theymos does care about the spam/shitposting in this forum,he can literally cut it in an instantly by removing signatures.I do want to have purely discussions here as i am here for about 3yrs to be exact,though from the past theres still existing spam but not like what we have now.

Theymos is very strange person, he can to request fees from signature campaigns but doesn't that and offers us Merit system. To be fair merit is what I was looking for from the very begining.
And some DT people have alts here, none of them is tagged. Sometimes alts are tagged woth neutral trust. I think it's wrong but no one cares about that, so forgot. It's not important, at least we have so amazing forum.

Seriously? if there are some standards regarding to english basics you will have 4 out of 10 and thats for sure,though i am not a native speaker i can understand write and compose simple sentences.But you wont get red trust as these DTs are biased to their trust ratings you are not qualified for being  a shitposter.  ::)

Seriously dude, I think you don't know the meaning of spam and shitposting in this forum. Let me enlighten you somehow.

- A post is considered as spam if one user is having multiple accounts and most of his accounts are posting in a single thread. There's this was one guy who made a thread in this section about it if you've been around in this section lately.( I can't find that thread anymore )
- A post is considered as shitpost if it's like this - "Great project", "This will moon", "Best platform", etc. DT members might consider them as shitposters if they kept on doing it.

About multiple accounts:

@Theymos already stated that having more than one account on a single household or IP is allowed, why? - those users might be on a single workspace that share a single IP or they could be living in the same house.

There are other accounts that were caught red handed, cheating campaigns is one good reason why they create multiple accounts, but some of them might be selling accounts which eventually will be hard for them because of the merit system.

Would like to reply you on this post.
Wait, it's very hard for newbies to rank but sometimes or usually they post shit, how will you explain that?
Person who doesn't care about sig but spams, what to do? Shake your brain and answer me: Why do people have to always write genius posts? Can't they be genuine sometimes? (genius and genuine are different words).
More likely it's an account of a person (you) who wants to rank up but can't. Take a chill pill, I will take English lessons from you. Just correct me this post to make sure I have problems which I have to fix.

You might think that I'm an interested party, but I think removing signature campaigns will hurt his forum, at least financially. Theymos imo don't want to rely on donations to keep this forum running. Forum administration gets a lot of traffic and advertisement money from signature campaigns. What I support is the discussion board (which already exists), where signatures are disabled, so it would be pointless to a spammer to post there.

Not only you are allowed to have multiple accounts, you are also allowed to have multiple DT1-2 accounts. literally.
Do you have any problems with them if they are not abusing their positions? if somebody is in DT1 list and has an alt account in DT2, is that a bad thing?

It's not bad, however if you are a DT1 member and would include another member in DT2 just to show your hatred for a lowlife member. is that a bad thing? if you know that nobody would care whether that's a bad thing or not, you would think doing that is not bad, you would think doing that is acceptable. if you refuse listening to reason. you'd keep doing wrong because nobody is stopping you.

Higher ranks and admins already know that shitposting is indeed spamming but still the person posting shit post means learning is still in progress. Having multiple accounts is not against the rule as mention in here already is not the real problem, the real problem is all about us new members that doesn't provide good quality, constructive post yet and to those that doesn't care about the forum as they focus in them self earning in bounties and other campaigns as some us(all about new members) that work hard to void shitpost amd spamming. Even though higher ranks had multiple account that is new and they post and they will not call spam if it is not inteded like good morning, evening something like that will lead to spam.